How is skin condition calculated?

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Because I got a harsh skin after oneshotting a reindeer with an arrow through the eye. I don't understand how that results in a harsh skin.

[KG]

Here's my understanding of how it works:

1. The animal can be damaged before you skin it by injuring the body/limbs too much or by something feeding on it (starving dogs, wild animals, etc.).
   
2. Too much time passing between any stage in the process can damage the skin.
   
3. With each step in the skinning/cleaning/tanning process, you have a chance to degrade the skin quality through skill and possibly an attribute-related fumble.

Results from the skill itself apparently get less random as skill increases. I'm not sure what happens with attribute-related fumbles... if they exist for hideworking. Note that in spite of shooting your beast through the eye, my understanding is that all carcasses without a negative quality message are effectively the same - it takes skill to obtain a fine or superior skin.

Your message log should mention something about how you lost skin quality.

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Originally posted by KG:

Here's my understanding of how it works:

• The animal can be damaged before you skin it by injuring the body/limbs too much or by something feeding on it (starving dogs, wild animals, etc.).
  
• Too much time passing between any stage in the process can damage the skin.
  
• With each step in the skinning/cleaning/tanning process, you have a chance to degrade the skin quality through skill and possibly an attribute-related fumble.
  
  Results from the skill itself apparently get less random as skill increases. I'm not sure what happens with attribute-related fumbles... if they exist for hideworking. Note that in spite of shooting your beast through the eye, my understanding is that all carcasses without a negative quality message are effectively the same - it takes skill to obtain a fine or superior skin.
  
  Your message log should mention something about how you lost skin quality.

Ok, so if I puncture an elk in the abdomen several times and let it die by bleeding then I get a fine skin. If I shoot through the eye not damaging any of the skin and instantly kill it then I get a harsh skin. Yeah... that's realistic.

[KG]

Exactly. Any wild animal and most domestic ones have a certain amount of skin/fur damage before they die anyhow. So if you can either lessen the effects of the damage and get a fine skin or ♥♥♥♥ up and make the damage obvious.

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Originally posted by KG:

Exactly. Any wild animal and most domestic ones have a certain amount of skin/fur damage before they die anyhow. So if you can either lessen the effects of the damage and get a fine skin or ♥♥♥♥ up and make the damage obvious.

I'm just stuck on the part where the skin was pristine and then becomes harsh after skinning. Oh well

[☃]

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

Originally posted by KG:

Exactly. Any wild animal and most domestic ones have a certain amount of skin/fur damage before they die anyhow. So if you can either lessen the effects of the damage and get a fine skin or ♥♥♥♥ up and make the damage obvious.

I'm just stuck on the part where the skin was pristine and then becomes harsh after skinning. :Owlcat_sleepless: Oh well

The quality of your tool plays a major roll. Having a masterwork broad knife is the best tool for the job.

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Originally posted by ☃:

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

I'm just stuck on the part where the skin was pristine and then becomes harsh after skinning. Oh well

The quality of your tool plays a major roll. Having a masterwork broad knife is the best tool for the job.

I had a Fine Broad knife. I inherited from my father after his rather tragic encounter with a bear.

[☃]

I don't think it is possible to get superior skins from animals with anything less than a master work broad knife and 75%+ skill in hide working. Having at least a fine club for beating, and a work bench to beat on at the end, is also a critical step.

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Originally posted by ☃:

I don't think it is possible to get superior skins from animals with anything less than a master work broad knife and 75%+ skill in hide working. Having at least a fine club for beating, and a work bench to beat on at the end, is also a critical step.

Well I wasn't going for superior anyways, but thanks for the info I did not know that. I'll look into it.

[☃]

I want to say that the quality of the furs at the end, will determine the quality of the clothing that is made. Ie. Warmth and Protection. I'm pretty sure of that. So for example, you will never get a superior elk fur cloak, without the superior elk fur to start with.

I am not sure about this, but I want to say that it also effects the furs as bedding too. Superior furs will give us superior bedding if it is thrown down on the ground or a sleeping bunk. Warm beds are especially useful in the winter, or when we need to heal.

Regarding beds/bedding, spruce twigs on the ground seem to be the lowest level bedding, and Superior Bear Furs seem to be the best, when placed on sleeping bunks/beds inside our cabins. I think (not sure here), that 12lbs of fur (of any type), will be counted as bedding when we lay down upon it to sleep.

[AxeHammer]

Originally posted by ☃:

I don't think it is possible to get superior skins from animals with anything less than a master work broad knife and 75%+ skill in hide working. Having at least a fine club for beating, and a work bench to beat on at the end, is also a critical step.

Nah I've been able to get superior skins with out a masterwork knife, just a regular one. If you use a trap pit you can bludgeon deer to death which doesnt damage the hide at all.

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Originally posted by asdasd:

Originally posted by ☃:

I don't think it is possible to get superior skins from animals with anything less than a master work broad knife and 75%+ skill in hide working. Having at least a fine club for beating, and a work bench to beat on at the end, is also a critical step.

Nah I've been able to get superior skins with out a masterwork knife, just a regular one. If you use a trap pit you can bludgeon deer to death which doesnt damage the hide at all.

I beat a fox to death with my rough club and the little punk gave me a decent skin when the only damage I did was blunt. I've since upgraded to a masterwork mace.

I still gotta say the skin condition calculation is jank af. I've put 5 arrows in an elk and get fine skins out of it just fine, but when I kill one through a arrow to the eye I get a harsh skin.

When i try to play by the rules the game punishes me. When I go decide to turn my enemy into a arrow holder I get rewarded.

Edit: any idea where I can snag myself a masterwork broadknife?

[☃]

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

Originally posted by asdasd:

Nah I've been able to get superior skins with out a masterwork knife, just a regular one. If you use a trap pit you can bludgeon deer to death which doesnt damage the hide at all.

I beat a fox to death with my rough club and the little punk gave me a decent skin when the only damage I did was blunt. I've since upgraded to a masterwork mace.

I still gotta say the skin condition calculation is jank af. I've put 5 arrows in an elk and get fine skins out of it just fine, but when I kill one through a arrow to the eye I get a harsh skin.

:Owlcat_sleepless: When i try to play by the rules the game punishes me. When I go decide to turn my enemy into a arrow holder I get rewarded.

Edit: any idea where I can snag myself a masterwork broadknife?

I just trade for them from master blacksmiths. They aren't terribly expensive really.

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Originally posted by ☃:

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

I beat a fox to death with my rough club and the little punk gave me a decent skin when the only damage I did was blunt. I've since upgraded to a masterwork mace.

I still gotta say the skin condition calculation is jank af. I've put 5 arrows in an elk and get fine skins out of it just fine, but when I kill one through a arrow to the eye I get a harsh skin.

When i try to play by the rules the game punishes me. When I go decide to turn my enemy into a arrow holder I get rewarded.

Edit: any idea where I can snag myself a masterwork broadknife?

I just trade for them from master blacksmiths. They aren't terribly expensive really.

I've yet to find a master blacksmith. Btw I'm playing in the kuamolais zone because I the spear is a huge crutch for me in my bear hunting addiction.

[Shadowdweller]

KG has it. Mostly. It should be noted that different weapon ot damage types are generally worse for skin quality.

* You can't get good quality hides without sufficient hideworking skill. Tool quality helps as well.

* Edged and Piercing attacks are usually bad for skin quality. Though a character who is highly skilled at hideworking can usually still get high quality skins if the slain animal has only taken a couple of edged or piercing attacks.

* Clubs are ideal for finishing animals without damaging hides. Blunt attacks from most edged or piercing-focused weapons are usually just fine. Flail attacks WILL damage hides, in spite of being blunt. I'm not sure about maces.

* Small animals / hides are damaged much more easily than larger ones.

[AxeHammer]

Anecdotally aswell I've noticed between edge and pierce, pierce tends to damage the hide alot less