[Spoil] Chain Reaction

[Agarwaen]

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Does someone agrees with me that Butcher is not the real murderer ? it seems to me the logical one is Fowler : he knew Rasco, he was a criminal so he can do it again, he lies when sherlock questions him, the only problem is he does not understand electricity very well, but it's quite easy to set up a trap like this one even with bad knowledge... and he can learn...

Butcher do not have a real reason to do such a murder, because he has no link with rasco... Ok, he has the plan of the sewers and the electricity knowledge, but there is a huge gap between that and killing people... Even if his daughter is dying...

That's the first time i totally disagree with the real solution, so i've decided to stick with it, even if i'm wrong ^^ i won't accept Fowler isn't the murderer...

[Charophycean]

Reginald needed the money for his daughter.

He confesses when you accuse him but let him go free.

[Agarwaen]

i kno dude, but's that's not the point ;)
I mean, if the developpers had done another scene where this is fowley confessing, woulld'nt you have found it more convincing, more logical ?

[Charophycean]

What is Fowler's motive? The reason I chose Reginald was because he was the only one with a motive. And the anarchist was more interested in destruction than theft.

[Agarwaen]

do criminals need another motive than the money behind ? what was Rasco motive for instance ?

[Charophycean]

Okay but Fowler didn't have electricity knowledge to build the trap

[Qian Cheng]

I agree with you. We can find "Murad" cigarettes in the sewer, and a liquorice box, and we can find liquorice among with the belongings of the dead gang members, but we can't find any cigarette in their belongings. So, the only reasonable answer is:
1. Someone of Rasco gang like to smoke "Murad" cigarette
2. That man is not among the dead
In those 3 suspects, Fowler is the only one who smokes "Murad" cigarette.
This detail completely clouds my judgement.

[NaN]

Originally posted by 钱大善人:

I agree with you. We can find "Murad" cigarettes in the sewer, and a liquorice box, and we can find liquorice among with the belongings of the dead gang members, but we can't find any cigarette in their belongings. So, the only reasonable answer is:
1. Someone of Rasco gang like to smoke "Murad" cigarette
2. That man is not among the dead
In those 3 suspects, Fowler is the only one who smokes "Murad" cigarette.
This detail completely clouds my judgement.

But it's a very common cigarette brand

[Qian Cheng]

Originally posted by Adnan:

Originally posted by 钱大善人:

I agree with you. We can find "Murad" cigarettes in the sewer, and a liquorice box, and we can find liquorice among with the belongings of the dead gang members, but we can't find any cigarette in their belongings. So, the only reasonable answer is:
1. Someone of Rasco gang like to smoke "Murad" cigarette
2. That man is not among the dead
In those 3 suspects, Fowler is the only one who smokes "Murad" cigarette.
This detail completely clouds my judgement.

But it's a very common cigarette brand

You're right, maybe coincidence is the only explanation.
But I still not satisfy with the motive. Yes, Butcher's dauther needs money, it can explain why he robbed the bank, but it can't explain why he murdered his accomplices. I mean, they just robbed a bank, they sacked everything from a vault ! I presume even Butcher only got 10% of that treasure, that would be enough for his doughter's treatment. So in the beginning, I thought the criminal who did this must be very very greedy.

[NaN]

Originally posted by 钱大善人:

Originally posted by Adnan:

But it's a very common cigarette brand

You're right, maybe coincidence is the only explanation.
But I still not satisfy with the motive. Yes, Butcher's dauther needs money, it can explain why he robbed the bank, but it can't explain why he murdered his accomplices. I mean, they just robbed a bank, they sacked everything from a vault ! I presume even Butcher only got 10% of that treasure, that would be enough for his doughter's treatment. So in the beginning, I thought the criminal who did this must be very very greedy.

I didn't thought about that when I was playing, but you are right

[Agarwaen]

Glad some people do agree with me, with even better arguments ;)

[alicia, sun's nemesis]

I ignored the Murad cigarettes because it's repeated every time you find one that they're very common/popular. But I found that a bit weak and very annoying that it didn't come up in the deduction space, since it seemed like a critical piece of evidence to me that you should have to determine whether it's a coincidence or not. It's a pretty bad red herring that lets them put some more ambiguity in.

How I decided it is: I believed Fowler had turned over a new leaf, there was nothing to believe he was a criminal again except that he lied about his past criminal involvement, which I think anyone in his position would be ashamed of. Garrett could plausibly be seen to rob the bank even if he would prefer to destroy it (he had a motive to do either), but he had almost negative motive to murder his accomplices, because if his motive was ideological, they were his comrades. If his motive was debt then I still think he would not murder them for mostly ideological reasons, which he was evidently sincere about. But the game was very simplistic about his political beliefs and that was something I judged for myself.

However, Butcher had an ironclad motive to specifically rob the bank, and murdering his accomplices would cover it up and let him keep the money for himself (he used to be pretty prosperous). He also would have been able to steal the technical cab and tools very easily. Very little of this came up in the actual case, it's just how I thought about it. I agree anyone could have set the trap but Holmes thought the device was pretty unusual.

I found it very strange that, beyond looking for who could be a suspect, the building itself and who could've been in it didn't come up more...

And while Rosco is a small-time criminal it's not clear whether the murderer wiped out everyone who could have known about the robbery.

I felt that most of the cases in this game had too much ambiguity left between the suspects except Prey Tell (which may have just been obvious to me because of the trope involved and the in medias res opening). But it was still fun.

[Qian Cheng]

Originally posted by alicia, who smiles at death:

I ignored the Murad cigarettes because it's repeated every time you find one that they're very common/popular. But I found that a bit weak and very annoying that it didn't come up in the deduction space, since it seemed like a critical piece of evidence to me that you should have to determine whether it's a coincidence or not. It's a pretty bad red herring that lets them put some more ambiguity in.

How I decided it is: I believed Fowler had turned over a new leaf, there was nothing to believe he was a criminal again except that he lied about his past criminal involvement, which I think anyone in his position would be ashamed of. Garrett could plausibly be seen to rob the bank even if he would prefer to destroy it (he had a motive to do either), but he had almost negative motive to murder his accomplices, because if his motive was ideological, they were his comrades. If his motive was debt then I still think he would not murder them for mostly ideological reasons, which he was evidently sincere about. But the game was very simplistic about his political beliefs and that was something I judged for myself.

However, Butcher had an ironclad motive to specifically rob the bank, and murdering his accomplices would cover it up and let him keep the money for himself (he used to be pretty prosperous). He also would have been able to steal the technical cab and tools very easily. Very little of this came up in the actual case, it's just how I thought about it. I agree anyone could have set the trap but Holmes thought the device was pretty unusual.

I found it very strange that, beyond looking for who could be a suspect, the building itself and who could've been in it didn't come up more...

And while Rosco is a small-time criminal it's not clear whether the murderer wiped out everyone who could have known about the robbery.

I felt that most of the cases in this game had too much ambiguity left between the suspects except Prey Tell (which may have just been obvious to me because of the trope involved and the in medias res opening). But it was still fun.

I have a new idea about the technical cab. I don't know much about carriages of European countries, but I believe most of them were made by wood, especially the wheels, and wood is an insulating material. So, if Rosco gang were using an ordinary carriage, the trap won’t work (their horse would still get a shock, but they should be safe,). However, the technical cab was made by metal, I think that is very rare, and it is the crucial part of the trap. The 3 suspects all have electrical knowledge, maybe all of them were capable of making that switch device, but only Butcher (the employee of that company) have detailed information about the technical cab. Maybe the technical cab is the decisive evidence.

[alicia, sun's nemesis]

Originally posted by 钱大善人:

Originally posted by alicia, who smiles at death:

I ignored the Murad cigarettes because it's repeated every time you find one that they're very common/popular. But I found that a bit weak and very annoying that it didn't come up in the deduction space, since it seemed like a critical piece of evidence to me that you should have to determine whether it's a coincidence or not. It's a pretty bad red herring that lets them put some more ambiguity in.

How I decided it is: I believed Fowler had turned over a new leaf, there was nothing to believe he was a criminal again except that he lied about his past criminal involvement, which I think anyone in his position would be ashamed of. Garrett could plausibly be seen to rob the bank even if he would prefer to destroy it (he had a motive to do either), but he had almost negative motive to murder his accomplices, because if his motive was ideological, they were his comrades. If his motive was debt then I still think he would not murder them for mostly ideological reasons, which he was evidently sincere about. But the game was very simplistic about his political beliefs and that was something I judged for myself.

However, Butcher had an ironclad motive to specifically rob the bank, and murdering his accomplices would cover it up and let him keep the money for himself (he used to be pretty prosperous). He also would have been able to steal the technical cab and tools very easily. Very little of this came up in the actual case, it's just how I thought about it. I agree anyone could have set the trap but Holmes thought the device was pretty unusual.

I found it very strange that, beyond looking for who could be a suspect, the building itself and who could've been in it didn't come up more...

And while Rosco is a small-time criminal it's not clear whether the murderer wiped out everyone who could have known about the robbery.

I felt that most of the cases in this game had too much ambiguity left between the suspects except Prey Tell (which may have just been obvious to me because of the trope involved and the in medias res opening). But it was still fun.

I have a new idea about the technical cab. I don't know much about carriages of European countries, but I believe most of them were made by wood, especially the wheels, and wood is an insulating material. So, if Rosco gang were using an ordinary carriage, the trap won’t work (their horse would still get a shock, but they should be safe,). However, the technical cab was made by metal, I think that is very rare, and it is the crucial part of the trap. The 3 suspects all have electrical knowledge, maybe all of them were capable of making that switch device, but only Butcher (the employee of that company) have detailed information about the technical cab. Maybe the technical cab is the decisive evidence.

Very late response, but wow, I never thought of that. I didn't understand what the technical cab was. I wish that had been better explained, but I literally can't imagine it any other way now. I do still think about this game -- thank you for sharing!

[Black_Nerdist]

Originally posted by 钱大善人:

Originally posted by Adnan:

But it's a very common cigarette brand

You're right, maybe coincidence is the only explanation.
But I still not satisfy with the motive. Yes, Butcher's dauther needs money, it can explain why he robbed the bank, but it can't explain why he murdered his accomplices. I mean, they just robbed a bank, they sacked everything from a vault ! I presume even Butcher only got 10% of that treasure, that would be enough for his doughter's treatment. So in the beginning, I thought the criminal who did this must be very very greedy.

I just purchased this games after years of debating. I think it is just bad writing. The case is not as black and white as the others. Even the conclusion is inaccurate. If you choose to Condemn Butcher, you're admitting that he robbed the bank for his own gain. Which we know is not true. He did it to save his daughter. However, if you chose to Absolve Butcher, you're admitting that he was forced to, not only rob the bank, but kill the gang(and cause injury and possible death to innocent people). Which we also know is not true. They did not force him to rob the bank and his share would have been more than enough to take care of his daughter.

Even when confronting him, he accuses Holmes of having more sympathy for a bank than a human life. Completely ignoring the fact that he murdered people and injured others. Seriously???

[bettyboop7153]

hi does anyone have problems with the graphic card not having enough memory to play and if so how do you fix that bedsides buying another one?