freezes every ~5 Seconds

[Nicolas "Discobird" Cage]

I played the Demo today and the game freezed every 5 seconds for 1 second. Is this only in Demo Version? / How can I fix this?

[Engels78]

I do not even have intention to do it... Stupid game that to fix it I would need to disable my input devices, so maybe play keybord with disabled keyboard :P ? No fcking way :P

[hexaae]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Engels PL:

I do not even have intention to do it... Stupid game that to fix it I would need to disable my input devices, so maybe play keybord with disabled keyboard :P ? No fcking way :P

You don't need to disable them. You may need to force and assign them (= remap) to another proper device. In my case I remapped all my generic "USB Input device" to "HID-compliant generic device", except the one that governs mouse, and everything works fine: Mini Ninjas has no more intermittent lag, and plug'n'play gaming device I use work as expected when plugged into USB ports.

FYI: it's not just Mini Ninjas... other few games seem affected probably using the same buggy assets code.

EDIT:
May be useful for others. Here are the DEV ID I've had to remap/temporary disable:
USB\VID_0B05&PID_17FD&REV_0023&MI_00
USB\VID_0B05&PID_17FD&REV_0023&MI_01
USB\VID_0B05&PID_17FD&REV_0023&MI_02

Windows 10 x64, ASUS G751JY.

[Engels78]

so where and what to put/write ?

[hexaae]

You have to open the Device Manager. Under "HID" main node find the devices to remap...
To remap them open one by one and under "Driver" tab select "Update driver".
Then choose to find them MANUALLY on your computer... uncheck "Show compatible hardware"... and force "HID compliant generic device" for them.

P.S.
I'm not responsible, of course, for any damage you can do to your configuration ;)

[Engels78]

I think I just give up with this game :P I've reinstall my Win7 about month ago, after about 2 years working smooth (more or less ;) ) So I do not want to risk reinstall it again... :P But thanks for tips!

[PocketYoda]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gunther Poopi:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ♥♥♥♥♥ Horse:

It may be either your mouse or keyboard, I get the 5 second freeze too until I unplug my mouse. Probably never see a patch for it, so if you still want the game, I'd hold out for a sale. That's what I'm doing. :)

I play with a xbox Gamepad. Could this be the problem?

Turned out for me it was my turtle beach USB headset making lags for me, must be a usb issue..

[hexaae]

Try this: http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=95787&p=1181775#post1181775

OK fixed my problem, I disabled HID-compliant consumer control device...

It also worked for me disabling this HID device only:
HW ID: HID\VID_0B05&PID_17FD&REV_0023&MI_01&Col03

Windows 10 x64, ASUS G751JY.

Shame on Eidos though

[hexaae]

SOLUTIONS

...Another definitive solution for me:
forcing USB\VID_0B05&PID_17FD&REV_0023&MI_01&Col03 (node: Human Interface Devices = HID-compliant consumer control device) as a generic 'HID Infrared device'.
This will add a new device under HID node for me but I won't loose anything (!).
Windows 10 x64, ASUS G751JY.

EDIT:
Became HID\VID_0B05&PID_17FD&MI_01&COL03\7&18A20B22&0&0002
(HID-compliant consumer control device) under Windows 10 Anniversary Update 1607. Once disabled lags vanished.

EDIT2:
Windows 10 x64 FCU 1709 (16299.98), ASUS G751JY

• Disabled first "HID-compliant vendor-defined device: HID\VID_0B05&PID_17FD&MI_01&COL03" (ignore reboot request)
  
• Forced from "USB Input Device" to "HID-compliant device" the "USB Input Device: USB\VID_0B05&PID_17FD&MI_01&Col03"

system forced me to reboot, and then whole HID and USB devices at node VID_0B05&PID_17FD&MI_01 totally disappeared from Device Manager! No more input lags and everything including custom laptop ASUS keys still perfectly working as usual.

EDIT3:
After upgrading from Win 10 1709 to 1803, the issue came back and HID devices settings changed again. Here is how I solved this time:

Windows 10 x64 1803 (17134.1), ASUS G751JY

• Disabled first "HID compliant consumer control device: HID\VID_0B05&PID_17FD&MI_01&COL03" (ignore reboot request)
  
• Forced from "USB Input Device" to "HID-compliant device" the "USB Input Device: USB\VID_0B05&PID_17FD&MI_01"

rebooted, and then again both HID and USB input devices totally disappeared from Device Manager.

P.S.:
Please, make a backup of your C: partition before playing with these (there are excellent backup tools for free like Macrium Reflect Free). And create a System Restore point too. I'm not responsible for any BSOD after reboot or damage following this guide.

[Xedius]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von hexaae:

Another definitive solution for me:
forcing USB\VID_0B05&PID_17FD&REV_0023&MI_01&Col03 (node: Human Interface Devices = HID-compliant consumer control device) as a generic 'HID Infrared device'.
This will add a new device under HID node for me but I won't loose anything (!).

Windows 10 x64, ASUS G751JY.

EDIT:
Became HID\VID_0B05&PID_17FD&MI_01&COL03\7&18A20B22&0&0002
(HID-compliant consumer control device) under Windows 10 Anniversary Update. Once disabled lags are not present.

EDIT2:
Windows 10 x64 FCU 16299.98, ASUS G751JY

• Disabled first "HID-compliant vendor-defined device: HID\VID_0B05&PID_17FD&MI_01&COL03"
  
• Forced from "USB Input Device" to "HID-compliant device" the "USB Input Device: USB\VID_0B05&PID_17FD&MI_01&Col03"

system forced me to reboot, and then whole HID and USB devices at node VID_0B05&PID_17FD&MI_01 totally disappeared from Device Manager! No more input lags and everything including custom laptop ASUS keys still perfectly working as usual.

Thank you so much for the fix !!!

[Awsomeapawsome]

try to overide the refresh rate if you can by opening directx.cpl and set a different refresh rate in the "direct draw"settings

reinstall dx10 drivers

if you have windows 10 overide the dpi in the properties to the application where the game is installed,

if you need steam launch commands:
-high -novid -nointro -nopause -refresh 80 -freq 60 -lowmemory -USEALLAVAILABLECORES -maloc=system -d3d10 -dxlevel 80 -dx10 -cpucount 4 -threads 4 -sm4 -maxmem 7585
-nod3d9ex1

if you have 16GB: -maxmem 15000 and or -heapsize: 15000000

download system explorer, set the process priority to realtime or if you have amd overdrive do the same in the smart profiles settings

if you can overclock your GPU only set it to 260 to 290 intervals higher than the base default clock

-for example I set my core clock from 800 to 967



make sure to check your drivers and install the latest ones for the GPU



go to advanced system settings:

in the top, in user variables click new, type in the top:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\game folder

and below type:

4000_Mbps

clean your pc with either ccleaner or avg pc tune up, or system mechanic

defragment the hard drive

[PocketYoda]

Its definitely a USB peripherial issue,

[hexaae]

Yes, generic solutions will do nothing. It's a buggy routine polling USB devices the wrong way in the game. Will affect just some motherboards and others will never show the issue.

[hexaae]

Updated msg #23 https://steamcommunity.com/app/35000/discussions/0/810920513838805632/?ctp=2#c451850468377141911
after Windows 10 1803 upgrade.

[Engels78]

I had this topic subbed so I just got remind and... I have changed PAD from Logitech F710 to... Sony DualShock 4 v2. This is Direct Input device, with drivers handled by Steam! And... In mine opinion it now does not freeze. I have played for few minutes and maybe micro micro like 0.1 sec or less freezes but maybe it is mine imagination, after first play ;)

[hexaae]

Ok, with latest Win 10 the issue came up again... annoyed by these endless efforts to make this broken game run well (remember the bug is in the game itself polling erroneusly some device ports in search of input devices...), I finally decided to uninstall and move it to my backlog list.
I think I'll play it one day, on another PC with compatible motherboard, sigh...
It doesn't like my Motherboard Chipset: Intel HM87 (Lynx Point)