Question about Angel Investors

[Tiradyn]

Ok, if I'm understanding this correctly, the amount required to get each subsequent angel is geometrically (if not exponentially) more than the last. And the upgrades you buy with said angels do not persist. So, if you progress the way the game is set up now (spending angels and then resetting), then wouldn't it eventually get to the point it would impossible (or take years) to get even a single other angel? I loved the Heavenly chip idea in Cookie Clicker, and Clicker Heroes allowing you to spend them (Hero Souls there) was a great idea, but the upgrades in CH persist. So, as I see it, the only thing that would make sense is to never spend them or to use real money to buy gold to buy Angel Claims so you could keep your purchased upgrades. I like the game, but being as the ONLY way to do an Angel Claim or to acquire gold is to buy it with real cash, it seems like this mechanic is a massive cash grab and a significant step back for the genre.

[KELLOGGS]

Why don't you just try to play the game? with the space exploration and all of those other things there's plenty on things to make sure that you don't get stuck

[Tiradyn]

Originally posted by KELLOGGS:

Why don't you just try to play the game? with the space exploration and all of those other things there's plenty on things to make sure that you don't get stuck

Why don't you pay attention to the actual question? I'm not talking about getting stuck. I'm talking about the eventual theoretical progression. I understand it is perfectly playable IN THE BEGINNING as it is, but that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

[Redarrix]

You get bonuses simply by having angels without needing to spend them. Each angel you own gives you a 2% boost to profits so having exactly 50 angels would essentially double all your profits, meaning you'll be able to earn more money from business as well as buy businesses and upgrades faster and in turn earn more angels and then the cycle repeats itself, until you have masses of angels for huge bonuses.
To summarise, when you reset, don't worry about taking a while to earn more angels because you'll get to the point where you start attracting angels faster.

Hope this description makes sense.

[Tiradyn]

Originally posted by RedFerrari:

You get bonuses simply by having angels without needing to spend them. Each angel you own gives you a 2% boost to profits so having exactly 50 angels would essentially double all your profits, meaning you'll be able to earn more money from business as well as buy businesses and upgrades faster and in turn earn more angels and then the cycle repeats itself, until you have masses of angels for huge bonuses.
To summarise, when you reset, don't worry about taking a while to earn more angels because you'll get to the point where you start attracting angels faster.

Hope this description makes sense.

Yeah, that's exactly the same way Heavenly chips works. I was talking about the angel sacrificing and trying to get someone to verify that the purchased (via sacrifice) upgrades do not persist through resets and, if true, why that is a spectacurally bad idea and will eventually simply not work.

[Redarrix]

Originally posted by Tiradyn:

Originally posted by RedFerrari:

You get bonuses simply by having angels without needing to spend them. Each angel you own gives you a 2% boost to profits so having exactly 50 angels would essentially double all your profits, meaning you'll be able to earn more money from business as well as buy businesses and upgrades faster and in turn earn more angels and then the cycle repeats itself, until you have masses of angels for huge bonuses.
To summarise, when you reset, don't worry about taking a while to earn more angels because you'll get to the point where you start attracting angels faster.

Hope this description makes sense.

Yeah, that's exactly the same way Heavenly chips works. I was talking about the angel sacrificing and trying to get someone to verify that the purchased (via sacrifice) upgrades do not persist through resets and, if true, why that is a spectacurally bad idea and will eventually simply not work.

Those angel upgrades do not persist through resets but are definately worthwhile.

Ignore those angel upgrades until you have accumulated a lot of angels. Example, it is not worth buying the first angel upgrade for 10,000 angels when you have around 10,000 angels. 10,000 angels would give you a 20000% increase in profit, while the first upgrade for x3 wouldn't. However, you will get to the point in time where the upgrade is more than worth the 10,000 sacrifice because all your others angels combined with the upgrade will result in higher profit which will subsequentely earn you even more angels than before so you will easily pay off your angel sacrifice in a short amount of time.

You'll just have to test it out for yourself but always be careful. Sometimes, when you try to purchase an angel upgrade, it will prompt you with a box saying 'are you sure you want to sacrifice X amount of angels?'. If this box comes up, it means the upgrade is NOT worth it and should be avoided.

When you learn to be careful with your angels and as long as you dont spend them all on a trivial upgrade compared to the bonuses the actual angels would give, you'll have no problems with angels and you'll eventually get to the point when sacrificing angels becomes a trivial task.

[skhar]

Originally posted by RedFerrari:

You'll just have to test it out for yourself but always be careful. Sometimes, when you try to purchase an angel upgrade, it will prompt you with a box saying 'are you sure you want to sacrifice X amount of angels?'. If this box comes up, it means the upgrade is NOT worth it and should be avoided.

Not true. The prompt comes when you try to spend more than 1% or 10% (don't know, don't care) of your total amount. But making the math is stronger than the prompt. There are many many upgrades where it's useful to spend 30% or even 50% and more on one upgrade.

Tiradyn, basically you're right. The game limits itself by that angel gain formula. In let's say 1000 years the needed money to get angel +1 is maybe bigger than what can be calculated by computers from our actual present ;)

For now the earth game is finished with septsexagintillion (10^204) $ and untrigintillion (10^97) angels and you will not reach that spot where your next angel needs more $ than possible very soon.

tl;dr: theoretically yes. practically no.

[Xi Dong Zhu (腦洞大的人)]

Don't spend the angles on that 1 angel quick buy.

Waste.

[KING]

You'll basically use the angels on upgrades and managers, which will give you a huge profit boost, which will cause your angels to go up crazy. Just don't use all your angels at once, so you can keep some of the % boost(I'm generally fine with using 10% - 20% of my angels and only resetting when it's getting really slow in profits and my angels are about 10x more than what I currently have). Eventually you'll buy all the upgrades and then you'll be left with just getting free angels. By the time you'll get to a point where you wont be getting angels anymore in a decent amount of time, the game will be long dead.

[BraveDude8]

Throwing out some maths to explain this. False figures.

You have 1000 angels. Each angel provides a 1% boost. You have a 1000% boost.

You buy an upgrade for 100 angels that doubles your income. Your angel boost drops to 900%. It is increased to 1800% by the upgrade.

You reset and claim angels. You now have 1900 angels, giving you a 1900% boost. You rebuy the upgrade. Your angel boost drops to 1800%. It is increased to 3600% by the upgrade.



This is designed to incentivise claiming large numbers of angels.

[KING]

Originally posted by BraveDude8:

Throwing out some maths to explain this. False figures.

You have 1000 angels. Each angel provides a 1% boost. You have a 1000% boost.

You buy an upgrade for 100 angels that doubles your income. Your angel boost drops to 900%. It is increased to 1800% by the upgrade.

You reset and claim angels. You now have 1900 angels, giving you a 1900% boost. You rebuy the upgrade. Your angel boost drops to 1800%. It is increased to 3600% by the upgrade.

This is designed to incentivise claiming large numbers of angels.

I think he's aiming at the fact that at one point in the game it will take years to get a single angel. Which is true, but after how many decades, I don't know.

[L33t K0ck Suck3r]

Originally posted by Lumixe:

Don't spend the angles on that 1 angel quick buy.

Waste.

Yeah man, having only 3 angles on your monitor is a horrible experience! 1920 x 1080 becomes 1440 x 810!

[KING]

Originally posted by Brandon Skullthorn:

Originally posted by Lumixe:

Don't spend the angles on that 1 angel quick buy.

Waste.

Yeah man, having only 3 angles on your monitor is a horrible experience! 1920 x 1080 becomes 1440 x 810!

It would be 1280 x 720 if you divide screen resolution by 3 and you take 1/3 away when you're talking about angles, even though angles don't really work that way.. At least you tried.