Starving Dino's to tame - Effective or not? (Dead thread)

[WirlWind]

Erased, since people can't look at the inital post date and notice this is a long-dead thread.

[GrandTickler]

IRONIC WAR CRIMINAL a écrit :

GrandTickler a écrit :

i know for 100% nacro beries drain hunger, but what about the narcotics?

Narcoberries didn't drain hunger in my tests, but they were on a small range of critters.

i tested it on parasaurus, dilo's and stegosaurus. remote feeding nacro berries drained all of them of their hunger levels faster.

[Reaganomicon]

I timed it, no effect on dilos or paras on my end. SP mode, though.

[Slowtapus]

GrandTickler a écrit :

IRONIC WAR CRIMINAL a écrit :

Narcoberries didn't drain hunger in my tests, but they were on a small range of critters.

i tested it on parasaurus, dilo's and stegosaurus.

What were your methods? Remember that they lose hunger passively. I just fed narco berries to a parasaur and if it decreased his hunger it was only very minimally more than his passive hunger decreasing rate.

[SythGelinn]

Me and a friend tamed a bronto using the starving method. It took 4 ingame days to decrease hunger from 10k to 1k. When we started too feed, the taming bar went fast till hunger was full.
The last 20% was slow. and took about 15 minutes to 20 minutes.

What I gathered out of this is that it uses less nacros. We only used 150 nacro berries to keep it unconscious . The reason why I think we used less is because of this: When a dinosaur is full it only eats when hungry. This can take time but the unconscious keeps decreasing and every dino has different eating rates it seems. So when you make it starv you only have to give it a couple nacros to keep it unconscious then feed it to see the taming bar go up fast, at that time you don't need to feed any nacros cuz the effectiveness pretty much stays the same and taming bar goes faster then unconscious bar. Only the last 20% costs us the most of nacros.

[GrandTickler]

Slowtapus a écrit :

GrandTickler a écrit :

i tested it on parasaurus, dilo's and stegosaurus.

What were your methods? Remember that they lose hunger passively. I just fed narco berries to a parasaur and if it decreased his hunger it was only very minimally more than his passive hunger decreasing rate.

dragged the nacro berries to the dino's inventory, clicked on it and pressed remote feed. it doesnt decrease hunger levels by much but u see the numbers fly down the same way its torp bar goes up. for a dilo its maybe around 20 food decrease per berry. roughly guessed

[GrandTickler]

as for whether starvation is better or not is hard to say cause i didnt run enough tests yet. but i can see it beeing handy when trying to tame multiple dino at once. u can knockout a bunch of dinosaurs in a specific area and just leave them. their food bars will be drained and seem to stay drained even if they wake up and knocked out later again.

how i like to see it how it works, but this is just speculation.. taming effectiveness % defines the ammount your taming bar increases with each tick/item ate. the longer u dont feed it the larger this % becomes because the dino will become more vulnerable/dependant when its starving. yet if u feed it right away when its stomach is full you are spoiling the creature and the dino will care less about you (% starts lower or goes down faster)

kinda like real life.. give a fat cat a treat and he wouldnt think any more of you, but give a starving kitty something and he will follow you around in the hope to get more.

[Baklavah]

SythGelinn a écrit :

Me and a friend tamed a bronto using the starving method. It took 4 ingame days to decrease hunger from 10k to 1k. When we started too feed, the taming bar went fast till hunger was full.
The last 20% was slow. and took about 15 minutes to 20 minutes.

What I gathered out of this is that it uses less nacros. We only used 150 nacro berries to keep it unconscious . The reason why I think we used less is because of this: When a dinosaur is full it only eats when hungry. This can take time but the unconscious keeps decreasing and every dino has different eating rates it seems. So when you make it starv you only have to give it a couple nacros to keep it unconscious then feed it to see the taming bar go up fast, at that time you don't need to feed any nacros cuz the effectiveness pretty much stays the same and taming bar goes faster then unconscious bar. Only the last 20% costs us the most of nacros.

You've basically just confirmed that it takes pretty much the same amount of time, because you had to wait for it to starve in the first place. If you hadn't starved it, odds are the timing would be pretty much the same.

[Reaganomicon]

GrandTickler a écrit :

as for whether starvation is better or not is hard to say cause i didnt run enough tests yet. but i can see it beeing handy when trying to tame multiple dino at once. u can knockout a bunch of dinosaurs in a specific area and just leave them. their food bars will be drained and seem to stay drained even if they wake up and knocked out later again.

how i like to see it how it works, but this is just speculation.. taming effectiveness % defines the ammount your taming bar increases with each tick/item ate. the longer u dont feed it the larger this % becomes because the dino will become more vulnerable when its starving. yet if u feed it right away when its stomach is full you are spoiling the creature and the dino will care less about you (% starts lower or goes down faster)

kinda like real life.. give a fat cat a treat and he wouldnt think any more of you, but give a starving kitty something and he will follow you around in the hope to get more.

In real life, you wouldn't try taming a feral animal in the first place. You'd nick the eggs and select the offspring for a bunch of traits including tameness. :p

[Baklavah]

GrandTickler a écrit :

as for whether starvation is better or not is hard to say cause i didnt run enough tests yet. but i can see it beeing handy when trying to tame multiple dino at once. u can knockout a bunch of dinosaurs in a specific area and just leave them. their food bars will be drained and seem to stay drained even if they wake up and knocked out later again.

how i like to see it how it works, but this is just speculation.. taming effectiveness % defines the ammount your taming bar increases with each tick/item ate. the longer u dont feed it the larger this % becomes because the dino will become more vulnerable when its starving. yet if u feed it right away when its stomach is full you are spoiling the creature and the dino will care less about you (% starts lower or goes down faster)

kinda like real life.. give a fat cat a treat and he wouldnt think any more of you, but give a starving kitty something and he will follow you around in the hope to get more.

I believe that there may be an underlying mechanic to this. If you recall, in the Dino Dossiers, the Sabertooth has a domestication note that states a "well trained" Sabertooth can flay corpses with its claws. Perhaps, if you starve it, and hypertame it with its effectiveness above a certain value with Prime Meat, it will have said ability? And if you do it the regular way, it won't because the value dipped too low? This will have to be tested.

[WirlWind]

Baklavah a écrit :

I believe that there may be an underlying mechanic to this. If you recall, in the Dino Dossiers, the Sabertooth has a domestication note that states a "well trained" Sabertooth can flay corpses with its claws. Perhaps, if you starve it, and hypertame it with its effectiveness above a certain value with Prime Meat, it will have said ability? And if you do it the regular way, it won't because the value dipped too low? This will have to be tested.

Doesn't it just mean that it has an ability like the trikes or raptors (where you get food if you attack a corpse / bush while mounted)? Perhaps this is saying that instead of meat, you get more hides instead, similar to how you get more with an axe over a pick.

I don't have one as a mount so this is educated guessing, but I'm fairly certain the ability is default.

One thing I remember about underlying mechanics is that I vaguely recall them mentioning something about taming effectiveness making the guy stronger after you tame him or something like that.

[Zourin]

It takes the same amount of time and attention either way. The big trouble is how fast the food bar depletes. It doesn't matter if you starve them first or not, so the big thing becomes when you use narc berries or narcotics.

That said, If you're using berries, starve (especially on a carnivore). They don't impact the effectiveness until AFTER you put food in, so the less mid-feed narc'ing, the better. That initial rush will benefit from a penalty-less training gain.

Narcotics are more powerful and can be administered more rarely (and may not impact effectiveness, or help it by healing it), so you can probably go straight to feeding and keep it narc'ed as you go, especially with larger critters.


Does anyone know if pre-feeding face-punching lowers effectiveness? may save on narcs for bigger critters if that works.

[Euri]

I think it just depnds whether you are trying to tame a herbivore or carnivore.

It really seems the only thing that makes starving the better choice is increasin hunger by feeding the wrong things. I can't imagine having enough meat to make it effective for herbivores, but I feel it'd be easy enough to get enough berries for carnivores.

[Deathfather]

I believe the point is since it it based off of the taming effectiveness % that by starving it they eat the food quicker at a higher percentage of taming effectiveness. so instead of eating a little bit from 90% to 40% you get them to eat it all at 70%, I think by feeding a dino food them don't like makes them more hungry therefore allowing to eat more at an even higher percentage

[Vohjiin]

The devs have already said starving does nothing.... They do not eat faster if they are starving, there is a cooldown on a dinosaurs natural eating and taming reffectivness reduction ONLY happens on that cooldown and no where else.

[UnshackledJester]

I tested this myself with two Dodos and two Steggos just to see if there was a difference. It seems like if you sit there and forcefeed them crap for a while then it DOES make a difference.....but not much. The hunger stat seems to fall a grand total of about 5-10% faster when being forcefed. However the issue with this is the total cost/viability of the whole ordeal. Will it make taming faster? It seems like yes, if you're willing to spend an extremely large amount of Narcotics/Narco berries for a slight gain in taming speed. On the steggo for example I got a SLIGHT increase in taming time by using about 5k Narco berries and just force feeding the crap out of em. So for something like a Trex, I think it would take in the 10's of thousands for it to be even remotely noticeable. The only exception being if you are using prime meat. Unless you have a large stock pile, you want him to eat that crap fast once you pull it out of the burn-box/refrigerator you have it stored in.

Long story short. Slight increase with shorter tame time Dinos, but not really worth the effort because they only take a few minutes, and not worth the cost in longer tame times because you spend more time gathering berries than you make up in tametime saved.