Discussion About Taming System/Tamed Dino's Reverting to tribe over player who trained.

[Demon_Deus]

I think this is should be a important topic to discus between the players and Devs. Remember I could be mistaken so lets here from the Devs for to make sure.

From what I have been reading in a recent post talking about stealing dino's it seems as if the taming system gives tribe priority over player who trained them. Which I feel this is a bad set up and can cause a lot of issues and hurt some player built RPing. Also make more distrust within the community. So we need to think about what can we do to help improve this?

I join a server with a few friends and we get set up and keep out of the tribe system. Work our magic and get a decent set up going. Have 10 raptors guarding your base. All 4 of you have T Rex to ride. And then you have a few different guys for their specialty. Mammoth for trees. Saber for collecting hides. Your built up nice and looking to get deeper into the game. The tribe next door has been helpful and none aggressive so far so you figure to join them. You all join.

Then all are kicked. Turning all your dino's into the tribes and aggressive against you. That turns your base against you because your dino's moved over to the tribe. Insta trolled.

It turns the trollage to max because of how easy it is to bring someone into a tribe and kick them for there dinos.

Hurts Mercenary game play. I want to become a merc in the dino world. And get into a group of 5. In many aspects it is smarter as mercs to hold the name of the tribe your working for also allows you easier access to their resources as your helping them. Entering tribe buildings and similar things when raiding. Some mercs might build up high lvl Dinos that they want to use but soon as they go into a tribe they either leave them in the merc tribe or if they bring them with you some how you lose them to the tribe you are selling yourself too.

If from what I have seen if this is true then how can we improve this?

First off all dinos you tame should primary you as the owner. And while interacting into tribes they should only work for you. Edit: Also non aggressive to Tribe and Players you add on friends list.

A Management system. Which will allow you two things. To either lease access to the tribe or a person. This gives them a 24 hour period to use the dino. Or maybe even a week.

Next is giving full rights of dino to the tribe/Person. That means you are able to give your dino the the tribe for tribe use. You can not take it back. Unless the tribe uses the management system to give you the dino back. Also allows the tribe to reward dinos they have to members for reasons. And use your dino to trade to players for high value resources.

Lets hear more on this maybe I have heard things wrong also.

[Lightstepper]

I can't understand why the devs thought this was a good idea. It seems awful all around. Why would my pet be more loyal to some random people I grouped up with rather than myself, the one who tamed it?

I don't want to join a tribe now in fear that I will lose my pet(s). What if I don't like the tribe experience and want to leave? Well, there goes my beloved T-Rex that I spent tons of hours leveling and taming.

This system almost renders the whole point of taming animals mute.

[Neoplague]

What if they just gave you choice of access...like you can set your dinos to you, friends, or tribe. Then change them back after x amount of time. Only bad thing about that is joining a tribe, with a bunch. Getting inside, then switching them to you only, quiting the tribe and tolling that way.

maybe dinos you tamed outside a tribeour yours. Not sure how they would do that. Make it so once your in a tribe all Dinos you tame belong to the Tribe if your out first then it belongs to you and you have rights over it.

Anyway I think this has been talked about alot. I just havn't really clicked on the post, cuz untill a while ago I was planning on just playing with Friends. Now I'm worried ill tame my awesome dino then have somone take him and get him killed :/

[TheLogicalCow]

Originally posted by Demon_Deus:

I think this is should be a important topic to discus between the players and Devs. Remember I could be mistaken so lets here from the Devs for to make sure.

From what I have been reading in a recent post talking about stealing dino's it seems as if the taming system gives tribe priority over player who trained them. Which I feel this is a bad set up and can cause a lot of issues and hurt some player built RPing. Also make more distrust within the community. So we need to think about what can we do to help improve this?

I join a server with a few friends and we get set up and keep out of the tribe system. Work our magic and get a decent set up going. Have 10 raptors guarding your base. All 4 of you have T Rex to ride. And then you have a few different guys for their specialty. Mammoth for trees. Saber for collecting hides. Your built up nice and looking to get deeper into the game. The tribe next door has been helpful and none aggressive so far so you figure to join them. You all join.

Then all are kicked. Turning all your dino's into the tribes and aggressive against you. That turns your base against you because your dino's moved over to the tribe. Insta trolled.

It turns the trollage to max because of how easy it is to bring someone into a tribe and kick them for there dinos.

Hurts Mercenary game play. I want to become a merc in the dino world. And get into a group of 5. In many aspects it is smarter as mercs to hold the name of the tribe your working for also allows you easier access to their resources as your helping them. Entering tribe buildings and similar things when raiding. Some mercs might build up high lvl Dinos that they want to use but soon as they go into a tribe they either leave them in the merc tribe or if they bring them with you some how you lose them to the tribe you are selling yourself too.

If from what I have seen is true then how can we improve this.

First off all dinos you tame should primary you as the owner. And while interacting into tribes they should only work for you.

A Management system. Which will allow you two things. To either lease access to the tribe or a person. This gives them a 24 hour period to use the dino. Or maybe even a week.

Next is giving full rights of dino to the tribe/Person. That means you are able to give your dino the the tribe for tribe use. You can not take it back. Unless the tribe uses the management system to give you the dino back. Also allows the tribe to reward dinos they have to members for reasons. And use your dino to trade to players for high value resources.

Lets hear more on this maybe I have heard things wrong also.

Agreed +1

[BigDally]

I would think things would work better if (upon leaving a tribe) all the dinos you tamed yourself went with you (stayed loyal to you). Or am I oversimplifying it...

[Neoplague]

Originally posted by BigDally:

I would think things would work better if (upon leaving a tribe) all the dinos you tamed yourself went with you (stayed loyal to you). Or am I oversimplifying it...

but what about the ones you tamed with the help of the tribe...say a rex that you all brought down and two or 3 of you gave food too? I guess the Tribe leader could "Give" it to someone and it would be under them.

[TheRightHand]

It's very unlikely that we will remain without management options for people's pets in relation to tribes.

It's just the case that we have not built out that element of the game yet. The whole Tribe system isn't even close to finished, just in very basic form right now. Part of that is that tribes are "wholly communist", if you're in a tribe, everything belongs to the tribe.

Of course we'll be fleshing out these systems later, they're just not a high priority for EA launch.

Thanks for the feedback and enthusiasm. We'll keep this in mind as the systems are built out.

- The Right Hand

[Neoplague]

Originally posted by TheRightHand:

It's very unlikely that we will remain without management options for people's pets in relation to tribes.

It's just the case that we have not built out that element of the game yet. The whole Tribe system isn't even close to finished, just in very basic form right now. Part of that is that tribes are "wholly communist", if you're in a tribe, everything belongs to the tribe.

Of course we'll be fleshing out these systems later, they're just not a high priority for EA launch.

Thanks for the feedback and enthusiasm. We'll keep this in mind as the systems are built out.

- The Right Hand

You guys are doing a geat job and i can't wait to play, I just hope this dosn't turn into some reviews of EA saying. Spent 30 hrs Lvling up my dino Joined a tribe got kick and lost my dino 10/10 would waste 30hrs of my life again....as a sarcastic negitive review

[Neoplague]

LOL or massive Tribe Spaming recruting messages just to steal people's dinos

[BigDally]

Originally posted by Neoplague:

Originally posted by BigDally:

I would think things would work better if (upon leaving a tribe) all the dinos you tamed yourself went with you (stayed loyal to you). Or am I oversimplifying it...

but what about the ones you tamed with the help of the tribe...say a rex that you all brought down and two or 3 of you gave food too? I guess the Tribe leader could "Give" it to someone and it would be under them.

...yeah that's a tricky one, to be fleshed out during EA I'm sure. Anyways the devs are still working on it; I have full confidence it will be fully worked out.

[Demon_Deus]

Originally posted by TheRightHand:

It's very unlikely that we will remain without management options for people's pets in relation to tribes.

It's just the case that we have not built out that element of the game yet. The whole Tribe system isn't even close to finished, just in very basic form right now. Part of that is that tribes are "wholly communist", if you're in a tribe, everything belongs to the tribe.

Of course we'll be fleshing out these systems later, they're just not a high priority for EA launch.

Thanks for the feedback and enthusiasm. We'll keep this in mind as the systems are built out.

- The Right Hand

Love seeing the quick reply from you guys. As for priority. EA launch is not necessary. But I feel tribes are going to be a important aspect of your game. Also owning dinos. This could end up hurting the community I feel because it will make people fear joining tribes. Which will take away from a big part of the games aspects.

Joining a tribe should feel as a benefit for you. From there your actions of trusting the tribe. AKA you giving them more access to your stuff. And them Trusting you giving you more access to tribe items. Should build themselves. These things building help create a better experience.

Otherwise each time you hit that join tribe button you are throwing yourself into the wolf den and hoping they just filled there stomachs. So you got a chance to integrate in with them.

[scrappybristol]

What I'd like to see is something that someone already suggested:

When you tame a creature and you are part of a tribe, you can set your beasts relationship with tribe members much like you can set their AI stance.

Personal: This is your beast. It only does as you command and will not let anyone else ride or interact with it.

Pack: This beast is part of the pack, it follows a hierarchy and will only allow individuals that the owners deems worthy and will allow those individuals to ride it

Friendly: This beast is friendly, it will allow anyone in the tribe to command or ride it.

And if for whatever reason you get kicked or leave a tribe, any creatures you have personally tamed will leave with you.


Hope you guys consider these options when planning the tribe system. Can't wait till EA. <3

[Athous]

Originally posted by TheRightHand:

It's very unlikely that we will remain without management options for people's pets in relation to tribes.

It's just the case that we have not built out that element of the game yet. The whole Tribe system isn't even close to finished, just in very basic form right now. Part of that is that tribes are "wholly communist", if you're in a tribe, everything belongs to the tribe.

Of course we'll be fleshing out these systems later, they're just not a high priority for EA launch.

Thanks for the feedback and enthusiasm. We'll keep this in mind as the systems are built out.

- The Right Hand

thank you :)

[Lightstepper]

Originally posted by scrappybristol:

What I'd like to see is something that someone already suggested:

When you tame a creature and you are part of a tribe, you can set your beasts relationship with tribe members much like you can set their AI stance.

Personal: This is your beast. It only does as you command and will not let anyone else ride or interact with it.

Pack: This beast is part of the pack, it follows a hierarchy and will only allow individuals that the owners deems worthy and will allow those individuals to ride it

Friendly: This beast is friendly, it will allow anyone in the tribe to command or ride it.

And if for whatever reason you get kicked or leave a tribe, any creatures you have personally tamed will leave with you.


Hope you guys consider these options when planning the tribe system. Can't wait till EA. <3

Well said. This is how it should be done in my opinion.

[Athous]

Originally posted by scrappybristol:

What I'd like to see is something that someone already suggested:

When you tame a creature and you are part of a tribe, you can set your beasts relationship with tribe members much like you can set their AI stance.

Personal: This is your beast. It only does as you command and will not let anyone else ride or interact with it.

Pack: This beast is part of the pack, it follows a hierarchy and will only allow individuals that the owners deems worthy and will allow those individuals to ride it

Friendly: This beast is friendly, it will allow anyone in the tribe to command or ride it.

And if for whatever reason you get kicked or leave a tribe, any creatures you have personally tamed will leave with you.


Hope you guys consider these options when planning the tribe system. Can't wait till EA. <3

+1

[Demon_Deus]

Originally posted by scrappybristol:

What I'd like to see is something that someone already suggested:

When you tame a creature and you are part of a tribe, you can set your beasts relationship with tribe members much like you can set their AI stance.

Personal: This is your beast. It only does as you command and will not let anyone else ride or interact with it.

Pack: This beast is part of the pack, it follows a hierarchy and will only allow individuals that the owners deems worthy and will allow those individuals to ride it

Friendly: This beast is friendly, it will allow anyone in the tribe to command or ride it.

And if for whatever reason you get kicked or leave a tribe, any creatures you have personally tamed will leave with you.


Hope you guys consider these options when planning the tribe system. Can't wait till EA. <3

Scrappy I want to see something along these lines. Also I feel the ability to give on top of that. It allows you to trade or strait up donate i to the tribe to keep. You might want them to keep dino's when you leave. Gives a more extensive interaction in the game.