Game Breaking Cave Bug

[Luminia]

Alright, I'm sure I'm not the only one who has experienced such a thing as falling through the floors of these caves. I've been glitched through the floor 16 times now and each time I've lost everything I've had and gathered inside the cave because I fall through the ground into lava all thanks to the creatures crawling below me instead of physically colliding with me. This needs addressed and I may be the only one actually making a post about this but idk so I am gonna anyway. This happened in the East Coast cave, the one most commonly known in Ark. I've been through this cave countless times already and have run into the issue 16 times out of lets say 50, to me that's pretty risky odds of losing everything.

I've noticed the ground inside these caves looks like a child layed out the textures and colliders for it. Hate to say it but it's very shoddy and you can clearly see through to the lava below on almost every inch of the ground inside this particular cave and a few others I've visited. You guys need to seriously rework all of this if you plan to keep caves as a core feature of the game (as it is currently supposed to be since it's the only way to get the artifacts). Please bring this to the attention of the dev who works on the work and patching things like this, it's literally a game breaking cave bug, if you don't die to lava you're stuck down there swimming until you run out of stamina and start dropping deeper (you're unable to swim down if stuck in this water and you can't move in any other direction. )

I wouldn't be so agitated with this if I could recover my lost stuff. I know it's alpha and I understand this kinda crap happens as I'm a developer myself. This is some rough stuff to put together so neatly and keep things working. Please prioritize this in one of the top 5 things that need done. Lower end pc's can't even enter these caves (I'm guessing because of the shoddy groundwork showing so much texturing below it) so it's definitely something to look into fixing.

Thanks for your time devs!

[Darthtanien]

Jumped down 2 feet in one cave and died. My friends could see me 2 feed down in the next area, dead. One friend tried to get my stuff and POOF he died ! The next cave i fell through the bottom and was behind and below everything.

[Dudeh]

I've twice fallen through a cave but that was the south central one, however luckily I mananged to swim in the water under the cave and got into a section of the deeper part of the cave.

But I agree this has to be fixed especially in the lava one for you don't get as many chances to "swim" out of the glitch there.

[Luminia]

Sounds like you've had the same issues. I'm sure you can agree losing everything you've travelled and fought to get from a cave plus your gear and anything you carried can indeed ruin the game for whoever loses this stuff. It literally has been ruining my week and I've explored almost all of the land caves now each having the same issues of falling through and inevitably dying and losing everything I just did all the work to get. (also I lose my "vehicle" pet I took with to get me there.....) So not only losing everything on me and what I've collected, but also losing a pet that takes several hours to tame which is total crap. This should not be happening at all. Anyone else reading this, please +1 so this is brought to their attention as a high priority issue.

[θάνατος]

its not just caves where you fall through the map, its it the most traveled area that is why it is being noticed more. if you stay on your mount i have noticed that you dont fall through.

[Luminia]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pycco:

its not just caves where you fall through the map, its it the most traveled area that is why it is being noticed more. if you stay on your mount i have noticed that you dont fall through.

I've had that happen too, and my bird died in mid air while "landed" because it glitched and took fall damage somehow. I've been mounted on a raptor and dropped through the world and lost both me and the raptor. This was literally where my base is. mammoths you might as well forget about riding up hills, they're always glitching through the ground cause they ghost collide through it, so higher risk of dropping through because LoS is cut and it dismounts you reulting in infinite falling, drowning in air, falling to your death, or simply being stuck in the ground permanently because there's no /unstuck command that works worth a crap. So many other similar things with ground colliding where it just isn't working.

[Odin]

Fell through the ground with my raptor mound so that doesn't work either.
Caves are a bit buggy but it only happened once for me so far.

[Luminia]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Odin:

Fell through the ground with my raptor mound so that doesn't work Either.

yeah I don't think any of it works like it should. I've noticed it happen more when a server is taxed and is full on number of players. It just seems like it can be compared to a bathroom tissue (lol wtf?) but yeah say you add a drop of water to it, it holds right? Well add 10, still holding but only barely. When 70 drops are added it rips and the drops fall through even though they were soaked onto the surface. Same concept, with a mass number of players the ground just seems unstable in a lot of regions where cliff connections, hills, and water is at. These areas "weaken" and if a player is near with other objects they can very easily fall through randomly resulting in the many bugs above.

[Luminia]

bump

[haasmd86]

As for what causes you to fall through the ground in caves is kinda unknown as it either a terrain that has a no collision parameters set or the games delay in server side info doesn't trigger your x / y / z location and assumes your movement until it catches up and your outside the wall.

If you fall through the ground in a cave you enter a water plane that's under the map. If you you enter this plane swim up to the surface and find another water source. Once you clip into a real water source the game takes you out of the underwater plane and you can walk up on a structure and not drown.

We found the cave locations day one by going into single player and using ghost to clip the water plane and look around for the black cave planes that are easily visable from large distances.

[Luminia]

Problem being if you fall through and it's a lava plane you die almost immediately and all your stuff is almost gone. If you get stuck in the water plane (I.E. unable to swim as it's happened to me too) you end up staying suspended there until out of stamina in which case you slowly sink and drown.

The issue is with the ground collision being bypassed by the dinos themselves and not the players. This has happened during fights with spiders most often for me, but Raptors and mammoths are also notorious for falling through the ground while mounted on them resulting in the same situation.

It's just a small glitch in their coding that somehow allows them to "push" you through the ground or wall textures so to say when they're attacking or around you that causes you to fall through because there's no ground there.

[thetman1221]

Is this related to why titanboas drop from the ceiling, or is that intended. I was in the easiest cave (south 1) and 4 mate boosted titanboas dropped from the ceiling, and fittingly my character crapped when they landed. I fought them with my pike, and killed all 4 or, maybe just 3. A horde of spiders showed up and between lag, the darkness, and web blocking my view I couldn't fight and was almost dead so i headed for the water while munching stimberries (using stimulants next time). I still succumbed to topor as spiders walk on water and kept me webbed to slow me and kept biting. I drowned before they could kill me. I'm not mad, it was kind of funny.

[Luminia]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von thetman1221:

Is this related to why titanboas drop from the ceiling, or is that intended. I was in the easiest cave (south 1) and 4 mate boosted titanboas dropped from the ceiling, and fittingly my character crapped when they landed. I fought them with my pike, and killed all 4 or, maybe just 3. A horde of spiders showed up and between lag, the darkness, and web blocking my view I couldn't fight and was almost dead so i headed for the water while munching stimberries (using stimulants next time). I still succumbed to topor as spiders walk on water and kept me webbed to slow me and kept biting. I drowned before they could kill me. I'm not mad, it was kind of funny.

Yes it's the same reason why the creatures like Titanboas, Bats, Spiders, Scorpions, and Mammoths are all buggy and often glitch through the ground and walls like that. Because they glitch through the walls, this records a solid side on the other side allowing them to "climb" so to speak until they hit a weakened area they can drop through, but if they get under you, you'll also glitch through said wall or floor nearby it. It's very risky to even think of entering caves like this unless you're naked with crappy spear weapons and nothing else since that's the only way to prevent the loss of every item are you to fall through. But yeah it's not something to be mad over, but it can ruin someone's day for sure if they go in "fully prepared" with spare weapons and everything needed to fight hordes of creatures only to fall through and lose it all at the first sight of a spider because they can do this. I hope they look into it further and fix it soon.

[Razbros]

+1
Lost my metal tools and chitin armour too many times from spiders crawling under me and slamdunking me through the floor in to lava.
South East cave for me.

[Volkodav]

Ok, so I was inside the cave (the one kind of in the middle with the artifact of clever) and all of a sudden I am inside the ocean somewhere. I was riding my sabertooth (lvl 65) and I couldn't get my saber out of the water. It seemed like it was stuck inside the water. As I was trying to get it out of the water I got a message saying that my sabertooth was killed. It is very unfortunate that I lost my saber. It took me forever to tame it and then I lose it for something stupid as that. But the most frustrating thing is that it seemed like I was in the ocean from nowhere. But after my saber died and after I got out of the water, I looked around and it was just a tiny river where you can just walk through it. Frustrating.

[MrBagel]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Odin:

Fell through the ground with my raptor mound so that doesn't work either.
Caves are a bit buggy but it only happened once for me so far.

Happened to me and my raptor as well.