Seeking advice about argentavis

[LeChuck]

Ok, first of, this is not a whine.

Yesterday i was doing the usual things farming berries, iron etc. Then a guy on a argentavis came, lifted me off my scorpion, killed me, flew to the scorpion, lifted that one, killed it.

Afterthat he flew to my base, picket all my raptors and killed them. He realised i was inside the house, so he picked me up (through the wall), dropped me in the high air, killed me.

After i was dead and my tribe memberes as well, and all our gear gone, we couldn't defend anymore and the guy decided to get into the base destroy all chests and fly off again.

Now. I do not mind loosing my gear or my tames. That's alright. What i am absolutly lost is how to deal with this? How can we defend against such?

At the moment as i do not see any way to defend, there is absolutly no point in rebuilding a base or retaiming work-dinos... as they will just get killed again at the moment i have them.

This guy with the argentavis did this to about 4-5 other tribes on the server as well. He changed his tribe name to one that already exisist, so it was impossible to really identify him (also because when you target him, you just see his argentavis name. WHen he drops you from the air, you do not see something "this guy killed you" because we died from falldamage...


So really, any advice on what to do about it would be of great help. I'm happy to rebuild and and gain back what we had... I just don't see any point in doing so, because we are absolutly defence less against the argentavis.. We have metal spikes and you really can't get into the base with dinos (if it's not 3+ T-Rexes)...

Help...

[Sucree]

Well the thing is, u should have spikes on your base and make it higher that way they wont be able to take you from outside inn. also in 1.7.7 they are adding weight limit on the argentavis added by what they are carrying, if you make ur dinos really ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hevy when in base that might save them. Other than that keep bigger dinos couse he can only lift small ones.

[Cosmic Nite]

The only real base defence is the auto turrets, but you need to be level 60 and have crazy resources available.

We need a lower tech anti air weapon or something.

[Rook]

Basically everyone admits that Arg have become the griefers toy and broken to hell. Devs are trying to balance it (stamina change, weight limitation, damage v wood reduction), but they're pretty damn broken for now.

Honestly PvP and PvE griefing in this game on official/pub servers mean it's no surprise so many server companies are being caught short by the demand for us to run private ones. This is just the latest in a string of players breaking things then devs catching it (think grenades before. Currently rocket aoe make them possibilities for the future supply chest destroying within 5 foundations radius regardless of walls but it's not as free and easy as Arg aoe through metal walls), then on to the next thing. Passworded servers with friends ftw. That or hiding and never bothering to tame a big herbivour because it'll just give away your base location

[Lee Von]

Have not tested myself but what about parachutes?

[Candice]

First of all, keep a pike and one or two parachutes on you at all times. If anyone grabs you, spear them as much as you can, parachute on the fall. Defend yourself and your dino as much as you can using this method while away from base. If you stab at them like crazy, it should deter them from trying it a second or third time. Obviously, there's still a chance you and your pet will die, but at least you aren't completely defenseless.

To keep your dinos safe in your base, make a house for your smaller dinos. You can place a dino gate on foundations with ramps going up to it. Make sure it's tall enough (2 walls is okay, 3 is better) to house the dinos. I'd make a foundation 4x4 or 6x6 if it were me. I guess it depends on how many people you have to help you gather the resources for it.

[Candice]

Oh also, if you spot anyone coming at you with a bird, you can try to lose them in some trees.

[LeChuck]

Thanks for all the feedback so far.
It's not that we didn't attack the bird. in fact we shoot about 10 tranq arrows and a around 20 normal stone arrows in to it... didn't change anything. The parachute is a good idea, but then again, just me dieing is not an issue... most items i carry are replaceable.

It's more the issue, that doing what ever has no point anymore, as we just get lifted over and over again.

Politics do not exist, so you can't really try to find a diplomaty about it. 2 walls high huts do not work, we do ahve that and got picked up anyway.

Not leaving the base to not get picked up, doesn't make sense either.

Switching to a PVE server doesn't help either, cause you can still pick up people and dinos....

My tribe is shrinking as many just quit now beeing frustrated not seeing any solution to this.

[Candice]

Dying is an issue if it leaves your animals vulnerable. Unless you aren't concerned about your animals; which would be contrary to what you've previously expressed. Also, if you've studied the torpor after having lost stamina on your dinos, the dino doesn't seem to actually go unconcious until it's torpor is pretty much full, so I don't think tranq arrows are the best strategy. Regular arrows won't do much damage to something that players pour health points into, either. Chances are the pike, which does more damage, won't kill their birds either, but like I said, it will deter them from trying to pick you up again if they took more damage than they're comfortable with, only to watch you safely parachute down. If that's not the issue, and you see no point in the game because of the birds, then don't play until you feel that there is something worth the advice you're seeking. Otherwise, there's no point in seeking advice.

[ERgamer]

get a metal 2*1 base. Done.

[LeChuck]

Originally posted by candicelj1708:

Dying is an issue if it leaves your animals vulnerable. Unless you aren't concerned about your animals; which would be contrary to what you've previously expressed. Also, if you've studied the torpor after having lost stamina on your dinos, the dino doesn't seem to actually go unconcious until it's torpor is pretty much full, so I don't think tranq arrows are the best strategy. Regular arrows won't do much damage to something that players pour health points into, either. Chances are the pike, which does more damage, won't kill their birds either, but like I said, it will deter them from trying to pick you up again if they took more damage than they're comfortable with, only to watch you safely parachute down. If that's not the issue, and you see no point in the game because of the birds, then don't play until you feel that there is something worth the advice you're seeking. Otherwise, there's no point in seeking advice.

Nono, don't get me wrong. The parachute is good to survive. but running back to one of my tamed dinos does not work, as the other player is faster at my dino, picks it up and drops it somewhere where it gets killed.
I didn't know about the arrow mechanic, I thank you for that advice.
It doesn't need much high to get killed by fall damage. if i would pick up a guy, and that guy starts using the pike on me, i'ld just drop him earlier, let him use the parachute, pick him up again, till he is out of parachutes.
I asked for advices in the hope that there actually is something, that makes you being able to deal with the birds. Wouldn't you agree that parachutes do not solve the issue but make it use the griefer more time to do so? Apart from the fact that your raptor, scorpion other tamed dino will get killed anyway?

Also important, again this is not a whine, i don't care about loosing and rebuilding my things. I'm just wondering if there can be done something about the bird. Obviously building a metal base, with spikes and everything would take at least 2 days, within these two days you will get ganked non stop. Yes i could find another area and pray nobody sees our new base...

[Jaeden]

This should be mostly fixed in the next patch, carry weight is calculated into the weight. Most birds will become overburdened when picking up a player will full gear.

If someone is attacking you just load yourself up with stone til you are just under the weight that makes you overburdened...when they try to pick you up they will be a sitting duck.

[Nuke2099]

Originally posted by Cosmic Nite:

The only real base defence is the auto turrets, but you need to be level 60 and have crazy resources available.

We need a lower tech anti air weapon or something.

automatic belt fed ballista launchers?

[LeChuck]

Originally posted by Nuke2099:

Originally posted by Cosmic Nite:

The only real base defence is the auto turrets, but you need to be level 60 and have crazy resources available.

We need a lower tech anti air weapon or something.

automatic belt fed ballista launchers?

hehe, that sounds awesome! haha

[Rook]

Originally posted by candicelj1708:

Dying is an issue if it leaves your animals vulnerable. Unless you aren't concerned about your animals; which would be contrary to what you've previously expressed. Also, if you've studied the torpor after having lost stamina on your dinos, the dino doesn't seem to actually go unconcious until it's torpor is pretty much full, so I don't think tranq arrows are the best strategy. Regular arrows won't do much damage to something that players pour health points into, either. Chances are the pike, which does more damage, won't kill their birds either, but like I said, it will deter them from trying to pick you up again if they took more damage than they're comfortable with, only to watch you safely parachute down. If that's not the issue, and you see no point in the game because of the birds, then don't play until you feel that there is something worth the advice you're seeking. Otherwise, there's no point in seeking advice.

Actually apparently there's significant abuse of macroing to forcefeed stimberries for torpor and meat for health, so narc arrows and pikes won't always work. And I mean abuse to the point of people assuming the eagles have god mode on.

Originally posted by Funkal:

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Atm the best solution is private servers tbh, public official ones are toxic because it only takes one person at high/max level to troll an entire server whenever they're online.
We saw it with rexes, with nades and now with eagles. Even a metal base isn't safe - the aoe on ARGs goes through walls and will destroy your storage chests inside in a fairly large radius so a 1x1x1 box does nothing to save you. Basically there's no point to taming a large herbivour because it'll give away your base. This game has amazing potential, but the griefing (both in PvE and PvP - PvE you can build foundations everywhere to stop people from being able to build out and resources from respawning, or aggroing wild dinos to kill players/interrupt taming) is insane and the biggest threat to its sheer awesomeness.

EDIT: Even once they fix ARGs the next griefing exploit may be rocket launchers - they do aoe damage to storage chests within 5 foundations radius of impact regardless of walls. ARGs are free to use though so we won't see rocket launchers become popular until that form of griefing is nerfed/fixed. Unless people find a better efficient/free way to screw with people.

[Juanti]

You always could fight Fire with Fire. You and your tribe go Tame a couple of Agents. Ask for some other tribes to help you stay safe while you tame and level them some, and when he comes back its 2 vs 1 Stack heath and Melee on them Fly them around kill stuff level them up. Go out and look for him and he has a place some where the map is only so big. Do a call out to the server form alliance's and go find him and drive him from the server. There is a lot you can do if he is griefing you, he is griefing others as well after all. You need to be a part of the server community not apart from it. When your under attack call out and ask for other to help you. I know I would come in a heart beat on my flying raptor if I was on your server. Good luck