Why persistent character bodies are NOT OK!

[Jerk]

I have been playing ARK since you started and now I am seriously considering NEVER playing it again. Look, I get it and I am very proud of you all. The concept is actually damn cool in theory; That when you log out your body stays in the world to be pillaged. As long as everything stays inside the realm of the game, inside the realm of functionality, that's all acceptable loss. But you didn't account for dis-functionality like suddenly being disconnected.
!!! IMPORTANT !!! in game design you CAN NOT punish players for doing what they are supposed to. One player logs out on the ground next to a camp fire and their body gets looted, ok I can do that but if another player is VERY diligent to always protect themselves and progress and build up their gear, They are riding high during an exciting hunt; They are doing everything they are supposed to be doing but then the screen suddenly goes black "DISCONNECTED". The player that did everything right is not waiting 10-15 to reconnect and find out they lost everything and not because of game world challenge but because it was stolen form you by technical difficulty.

The sad truth is that this does not work in practice and you will have to scrap the once awesome idea. YOU MUST PRESERVE BODIES FOR PLAYERS THAT LOG OR DISCONNECT!!!!!
You can not punish me by taking away all I built up in game because of technical problems GET IT!?
I am fine with you leaving destructible buildings, by all means let me be raided while offline but my body,held objects and hopefully the animal I am riding NEED to simply vanish when disconnected so i can reconnect and continue playing without utter overwhelming and nonsensical loss!!!
I don't have to elaborate any further because everyone is telling you the same thing. Loosing all the stuff you spent a day building up because of a simple disconnect is worse then unacceptable, Scrap it!

[Pantong]

there is now 3 threads on this exact topic I will go ahead and say this is a open world Plants vs player 24/7 PvP game anything goes and the only thing that holds anyone back is the game logic

[o|-} Tony Shark]

Are you disconnecting due to the game (crash etc) or your own pc/internet connection?

[BaconCheeseMan]

Things like that have happened in games past. You wanna know what happens? It becomes an exploit. Gonna die? Pull the plug. Someone gonna rape your body? Pull the plug. The only fair solution is, ♥♥♥♥ happens.

[AshliRose]

yep it's only hardcore, there's no "invisible body" when logged out crap. Just like Rust it allows trolls to be trolls and trolled. Yeah there's issues with it but too many like it for them to remove it. The raiding is the whole point of pvp....if you don't like it play on pve, solo, or a private server you have some control of what happens in. It's really not that hard of a choice....if you're not satisfied with something, change what that something is by doing something else. It's how the game is and that's why all the pvp servers are literally empty in comparison to the pve ones.

I myself play on pve cause people will literally destroy all of your base and kill your pets leaving all loot simply to be ♥♥♥♥♥. I don't care to lose all progress everyday so yeah I am loving my pve life in this game. As are hundreds of others, the community is just that much more enjoyable in pve.

[boxanata]

Repeat after me... Early Access.

Of course there are going to be crashes & disconnects. It's an alpha. Deal with it. As for the bodies staying in the game world, you should've probably done more research before buying this game. This was known even before Early Access was released.

[MechRaven]

So many are for the persistant thing removed, others want it to stay, it is about time we get a server option for it right next to the PvE and hardcore boxes... PvO check yes or no.

[Jerk]

Your reply is super vague, not sure of your exact meaning but I just wanted to add that I have been playing on a PvP server and everyone is so nice, none of us have killed the others yet. I have had no PvP action. The problem is dropping lifeless from a disconnect while swimming or standing in front of a T-rex. That is guaranteed death/loss through no fault of my own gameplay. Its basically a broken formula.

[Bloo]

Originally posted by Sass_SGE:

yep it's only hardcore, there's no "invisible body" when logged out crap. Just like Rust it allows trolls to be trolls and trolled. Yeah there's issues with it but too many like it for them to remove it. The raiding is the whole point of pvp....if you don't like it play on pve, solo, or a private server you have some control of what happens in. It's really not that hard of a choice....if you're not satisfied with something, change what that something is by doing something else. It's how the game is and that's why all the pvp servers are literally empty in comparison to the pve ones.

I myself play on pve cause people will literally destroy all of your base and kill your pets leaving all loot simply to be ♥♥♥♥♥. I don't care to lose all progress everyday so yeah I am loving my pve life in this game. As are hundreds of others, the community is just that much more enjoyable in pve.

N3rd

[Jcyrus]

This is why you would preferably play with a tribe. If you get disconnected like that, they can watch out for you or drag your body somewhere safe.

I know that kind of stinks for solo players, but it's the price of being a lone wolf in this kind of game. And I say that as a solo player myself.

It's up to us whether we want to risk having this happen to us, or if we want to join a tribe for better protection.

[BaconCheeseMan]

Well, you could take it another step further and assume that you will be disconnected if this is so prevelant. Therefore, you're taking risks in the gameplay knowing that you die when dc'd. I don't see how that equals broken formula. As far as getting stuff back, you do have 15 minutes to get there and pick some of it up.

[Arclight]

I like the way it is now, but I certainly understand frustrations of those who play.

I would like to see a server side setting where there could be a time delay added for random disconnects to avoid situations like that, up to 5 minutes after log off your body cannot be looted for example. It's certainly a bit hazy and cannot account for all situations, but it allows private servers some flexibility at least.

[Jeza]

Originally posted by o|-} Tony Shark:

Are you disconnecting due to the game (crash etc) or your own pc/internet connection?

doesn't matter imo he has a point you are dependent on a lot of outside sources that can all fail you to play : electricity, internet connection, computer, server, game ...
dying and loosing everything just because you had a power failure for example that's not fun and that not somthing yo can work hard to avoid.
dying and loosing everything because your base wans't secure is not fun but it's a learning experience and can be remedied with some work.

imo it would be best if we had a way to create "stables" for pets and a stabled pet just logs out wen you do same as a pet that you are ridding or that is with you ( close proximity).
And of course your body should also disappear.

If you log out for any reason your body and pets are safe but all the rest can be looted. If you want guard pets just don't stable them they'll remain ingame to protect your stuff.
On the other hand logged out pets don't get xp but to be fair logged out pets don't get hungry either.

Even in solo I would like the opportunity to log out (stable) some of my pets while I'm roaming away from the base so if a wild dino attacks they don't get killed. I won't have any eggs/xp gain on those when I come back so I lost something in the bargain for security, seems fair to me.

[Jerk]

When your playing alone on an empty server and loose everything over and over again from only tech issues then you obviously have a problem. And yes, boxanata, I know it is Alpha. That means we are supposed to speak out about the game so they know were the weak points are, I am doing what I am supposed to be doing. I submitted a long page of bug reports to the developers too, like office work, have you? I was one who advocated the persistence of things on the island but, in practice, this seems like too much loss when at the hand of Technicals' and not game challenge.
Its simply unrealistic to think idealistically that disconnects are not supposed to happen when all is well so never plan for them, they WILL happen and even if its on the players side, its still not fare...

[dezgard]

I see no way of fixing what your asking for other than full left (persistance) or full right (Not persistant).

Anything inbetween would be a huge pain and IMHO a waste of good dev time on Important stuff.

No real way for a server to tell if you DC'ed to avoid dying.

Maybe a 5 minute Immune timer...best i can think of.

[Kazemi]

a lot of us dont have a problem with "persistent character bodies "
and i kinda like it...you should Not feel safe in a Survival game.
your surviving and living a nice and "safe" live