Mosasaurus vs Megalodon

[Minotaur]

So, I am curious as to why the dossier is making the comments about Mosasaurus as the apex sea predator. Makes no sense, if we're speaking from findings and scientific understandings.

The largest ever recorded or known Mosasaurus was 59feet. Megalodon's(a bit harder to get exact size measurements because of lack of bone, etc) are suggested to have been on average 50-55ft in length with large ones getting around 70feet(or more) in length. On top of this, scientists have suggested fairly recently that Megalodon's bite force was the greatest of all-time surpassing the t-rex(http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/08/080805-shark-bite.html) ...

So, I know it's sort of stupid to even worry about, but the idea of the Megalodon playing second fiddle to any sea creature is awfully bizzare. Oh yeah, their models need to be much larger, still way under-sized.

[Cossack]

Megalodons are massivly dissapointing. you can 1 v 2/3 them with a pike easily enough. In theory you should have no chance. We swim our Rex's through water and you dont even notice the damage from 2-3 megalodons. 1 Rex chomp and on average they are dead as well. Where Rex's rule the land Megalodons should rule the sea but they dont. Having the Mossasaur come in sounds interesting but if its anything like the Megalodon it wont be anything scary. We should all be scared of going into the water but we currently are not.

[MechRaven]

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the megalodons in game arent sized very well to begin with, a mosasaur would wipe the floor with them
https://www.fossilera.com/p/148/800x600%3E/Megalodon_scale1.png

As I've already shown, this is complete nonsense. Megalodon's were the apex predator and would not really have anything to be afraid of given their massive bite force.

Now, comparing what modern-day Killer Whales do to great whites doesn't really apply here as Orcas are significantly larger and even then, their best form of attack on great whites is surprise. It'd be a bit tougher to roll over a 70-foot megalodon by a 50-55 foot Mosasaurus.

size and weight are not as significant in regards to predation in the water as you make it sound, fact is these are prehistoric animals whos behaviors and methods are left largly to theory as few fossils of these animals exist and even fewer exist with other fossils in the stomach cavity to show any inkling what they ate exactly. you can be safe saying a 55 foot mosasaur didn't swallow a 70 foot megalodon whole but you can not say that megalodon was in no way on the menu for other large predators, in the animal kingdom few things if any are so cut and dry.

[Minotaur]

So, you're basically making assumptions and guesses off of 0 fact? That's not a good thing.

[Valadian [GwDR]]

Honestly I have to agree with the overall premise here. The megalodon is more of a megaloyawn. Yes yes, you get the cop out of "well it's not the same species so...blah blah" but that's a rather sad excuse.

Essentially the best thing they could eventually do is to balance out the ocean with more creatures and redistribute things.

For example, it makes sense that currently the meg is the obnoxious swarm mob in the game in the sea since......they don't really have anything else yet. However it would be best if eventually they would flip it's position with the mosasaurus. The meg should be the giant deep water rarely seen predator while mosasaurus should be the shallow water threat. Hell that's even in line with what history and science has to say about these two creatures. Both should be uncommon encounters as well as being significant fights when you do run into them.

Keep them both large animals, the meg should be upped in size to be more impressive with stats to match. Finally we just need more sea life (which should come eventually). More passive creatures like the plesiousaur to act as prey and just "atmosphere" to the oceans. Many more smaller to medium sized animals would help both as threats and as food sources.

The big problem at the moment is that currently you hop into the water and you see maybe a coelacanth, maybe some turtles near the shore, and then it's just tons of megs which, as mentioned above, are just moderately over-sized white sharks and not really all that intimidating. Add to this the fact that they have this (sorry I have to say it) stupid schooling / swarming code and you just get an annoying mob to deal with that quickly stops being interesting or a threat and just a general annoyance to ocean exploration.

I know this is largely because they just don't have all the stuff in place and they've got to work with what they have so that we have SOME content. I just hope that somewhere down the line they readdress the oceanic ecosystem in the game. Sadly I think we'll be stuck with the current "piranha megs" since for some odd reason they chose to make a mosasaurus a deep water predator which it never was in reality. Like they mixed up the roles of the two animals. Plus they'd have to revisit the dossiers on at least the Mosasaurus to correct this.

Oh well....

[Jartor]

Size does not = predatory ability.

[Minotaur]

And it doesn't inhibatit, either. Make an argument to the contratry and I'll listen.

[Minotaur]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Valadian GwDR:

Honestly I have to agree with the overall premise here. The megalodon is more of a megaloyawn. Yes yes, you get the cop out of "well it's not the same species so...blah blah" but that's a rather sad excuse.

Essentially the best thing they could eventually do is to balance out the ocean with more creatures and redistribute things.

For example, it makes sense that currently the meg is the obnoxious swarm mob in the game in the sea since......they don't really have anything else yet. However it would be best if eventually they would flip it's position with the mosasaurus. The meg should be the giant deep water rarely seen predator while mosasaurus should be the shallow water threat. Hell that's even in line with what history and science has to say about these two creatures. Both should be uncommon encounters as well as being significant fights when you do run into them.

Keep them both large animals, the meg should be upped in size to be more impressive with stats to match. Finally we just need more sea life (which should come eventually). More passive creatures like the plesiousaur to act as prey and just "atmosphere" to the oceans. Many more smaller to medium sized animals would help both as threats and as food sources.

The big problem at the moment is that currently you hop into the water and you see maybe a coelacanth, maybe some turtles near the shore, and then it's just tons of megs which, as mentioned above, are just moderately over-sized white sharks and not really all that intimidating. Add to this the fact that they have this (sorry I have to say it) stupid schooling / swarming code and you just get an annoying mob to deal with that quickly stops being interesting or a threat and just a general annoyance to ocean exploration.

I know this is largely because they just don't have all the stuff in place and they've got to work with what they have so that we have SOME content. I just hope that somewhere down the line they readdress the oceanic ecosystem in the game. Sadly I think we'll be stuck with the current "piranha megs" since for some odd reason they chose to make a mosasaurus a deep water predator which it never was in reality. Like they mixed up the roles of the two animals. Plus they'd have to revisit the dossiers on at least the Mosasaurus to correct this.

Oh well....

I'm not sure your point here is??

I'd rather Meglaodon's be significantly more rare, but larger and more powerful. No reason they should be second fiddfle to a smaller, less powerful carnivore.

[hatetheory]

This game isn't trying to be realistic i dont know wtf you realism people are thinking. What are you gonna do when the scifi tech tree stuff starts coming out?

[Minotaur]

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As I've already shown, this is complete nonsense. Megalodon's were the apex predator and would not really have anything to be afraid of given their massive bite force.

Now, comparing what modern-day Killer Whales do to great whites doesn't really apply here as Orcas are significantly larger and even then, their best form of attack on great whites is surprise. It'd be a bit tougher to roll over a 70-foot megalodon by a 50-55 foot Mosasaurus.

size and weight are not as significant in regards to predation in the water as you make it sound, fact is these are prehistoric animals whos behaviors and methods are left largly to theory as few fossils of these animals exist and even fewer exist with other fossils in the stomach cavity to show any inkling what they ate exactly. you can be safe saying a 55 foot mosasaur didn't swallow a 70 foot megalodon whole but you can not say that megalodon was in no way on the menu for other large predators, in the animal kingdom few things if any are so cut and dry.

That's my point. A large part of your argument is subjective and not based on any facts whatsoever.. Meanwhile, I have scientisits in my corner saying Megalodon's are the apex predator of the sea and strong bite force of all-time and you have.... non-credentialed questiones.

[Minotaur]

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This game isn't trying to be realistic i dont know wtf you realism people are thinking. What are you gonna do when the scifi tech tree stuff starts coming out?

So, if realisism isn't a focus then why focus on the herd-like behavior of certain mobs or the vegetiation of mobs? Answer: it IS a focus, but a convenient way to brush off the short-comings of ARK in a fanboy way.

[Murderhorse]

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All I'll say is... if you're going to head down into the DEEP ocean for rare pearls, you better bring a BIG fishing net ;)

in a previous topic regarding the megs being kind of small.

[Dark Exile]

Not sure why anyone claims anything is or was better than anything else, funny thing about science, its only a fact because no one proved otherwise, 10 years ago it was fact what you were eating was good for you, now its a fact thats the reason your grandma died of cancer, sure you can guess what something might have looked like, or how much force it had, but they can't prove muscle structure or really anything else.

Keyword in OP's post, scientists "suggested".
With that in mind anyone can claim artistic freedom since there is no real fact about anything.

[Cyber-Socrates]

From what I remember from the documentaries I used to watch when I was much much younger, Mosasaurus was very large, fast and also travelled in packs. Which means, a pack of Mosasaurs could take down a Megalodon any day of the week.
Also, since Megalodon was so large, it would have a great difficulty turning around. Like today's blue whale which takes its time turning around. So, while the Megalodon would be struggling to just keep the Mosasaur in his sightline, the Mosasaur would have bitten a few big chunks here and there.
BTW They didn't even live in the same era, so this is like the T-Rex vs Spinosaur argument

[Johnny Chimpo]

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Irregardless of all of, was sort of disappointed by the Mosasaurus dossier and the fact Megalodon's in this game aren't really... scary as they could/should be? They're just slightly larger great whites.

Surprised nobody caught this one..."Irregardless" is not a word. The word is Regardless, adding the ir is a double negative

[ll_Vaporware_ll]

Mosasaurus is cooler then shark.
Anything is cooler then shark, minus dodo.
Spiders and scorpions too, I hate them....
Which must be really cool, because sharks are cool.