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Yawn YS Aug 6, 2015 @ 9:42am
Large Bear Traps Suck - Video Proof
They can't hold strong wild animals for longer than a second. You're not meant to use these to tame wild animals.

So that begs the question that's plagued me for 200+ hours of Ark play - how ARE you meant to tame BIG wild animals? They catch up to you faster than you can kite them with tranq arrows, and you can't shoot off of your Pteranodon (though I know you can carry a guy to do it for you).

I know I'm not the only one who looks for the nearest cliff to hop on to when I see an awesome T-Rex/Spino I want to tame. It's the most practical to just lure the dino there, then shoot down at it for 15 minutes. It's exploiting the path-finding AI, and therefore cheating, but it's also the most effective way I've found to do it. And if they somehow patched THAT out in the near-future, how the hell am I supposed to tame awesome beasts?

I thought the bear traps would finally solve that issue - but they're completely useless for PVE co op play, and that sucks.

Devs, please make taming dinos more satisfying!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCoDTEJ44CY

PS: That's single player mode, with me having infinite health. So if it looks easy to kite it here, that's why.
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Muffin Button Aug 6, 2015 @ 10:14am 
Only one of the traps triggered. The rest were destroyed by the Rex's attack before they could activate. Dinos attack traps that clamp them, and a Rex's damage will go right through the 100 HP the trap has.

Not saying this is, or is not balanced, but I hope you see what's going on.
Jcyrus Aug 6, 2015 @ 10:27am 
Originally posted by Yawn_YS:
So that begs the question that's plagued me for 200+ hours of Ark play - how ARE you meant to tame BIG wild animals? They catch up to you faster than you can kite them with tranq arrows, and you can't shoot off of your Pteranodon (though I know you can carry a guy to do it for you).
I admit I've cheesed it with the cliff taming too, but there are ways to tame big dinos without resorting to that.

There's a number of videos out there of players who have built dino traps, which they then lead dinos back to in order to tame them safely. Usually the walls are made up of doorways or windows so they can shoot through without being at risk themselves.

The wiki also mentions you can use the narco traps for taming, provided you don't allow it to KO the dino. Instead, you use the traps to built up it's torpor, then KO it the old fashioned way with tranq arrows.
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Syd Khaos Aug 6, 2015 @ 10:31am 
How to tame big wild dino you ask?
Be more creative.......

You could build a stone/metal bottleneck and pull said dino into it....
You could train a bird for all stam and airlift a buddy to shoot the tranqs.......
You could use terrain to create an infinite kite situation....

LOTS of ways to tame big dino, just have to put some thought into it and not expect the solution to be spoon-fed to you.

And FYI, the big bear traps work great.....have already used the large ones to help me in dropping an Alpha-rex solo, and with taming an albino rex.......get more creative bud =P
tyonisius Aug 6, 2015 @ 10:49am 
You can up your movement speed and out run the dino as well.
Doc Hussey Aug 6, 2015 @ 10:52am 
Building a taming pen is still exploiting mechanics. They don't attack walls as they should, so there's no difference between a taming pen and two close together palm trees.
Jolly Aug 6, 2015 @ 10:53am 
Originally posted by Yawn_YS:
So that begs the question that's plagued me for 200+ hours of Ark play - how ARE you meant to tame BIG wild animals? They catch up to you faster than you can kite them with tranq arrows, and you can't shoot off of your Pteranodon (though I know you can carry a guy to do it for you).

Ideally you use the one thing that differentiates humans from other animals - the power of logic and reasoning thru your (supposedly) superior brain and intellect.

It is very easy to tame the biggest and most dangerous predators. Duking it out with them is not how you do it (although it can be done). Here's a couple of tips/examples.

First tip is that it's a co-op game, and co-op games are wonderful things - play with and work with friends (and derp, co-operate) and it makes these tricker operations less tricky. But even a soloist can use their noggin to ease the burden of trickier tamings.

The #1 way we tame rex/spino/carno is lure them to (or find them near) a cliff where they can't climb up to get you - shoot down on them at your leisure from complete safety til they're down - tame - done. Couldn't be easier. We'll usually clear what we can from around the target to minimize distractions. When you read about some dude that has 10 spino before he can even make saddles for them, this is how it's done. :P

There are a vareity of ways to somewhat safely lure a dino to where you want to tame it - most preds are easily distracted by whatever is near so shoot and kite them thru other mobs to avoid getting yourself slaughtered while getting them into position. You can shoot arrows quite some distance if you account for their drop off - across rivers for ex, you may waste a few arrows trying to land that first hit to draw a dino to your cliff, but you can hit them from nice and far. One should always have multiple bows and/or repair mats on hand for ultra beefy tames anyways since a high level pred could easily require 50+ tranq arrows.

Once you have the ender of worlds (spino - the best dino in the game) you can get more creative taming some other beasts if you have at least 2 people. Spino won't get attacked by lesser preds like raptors, scorps, carno. You can dismount and stay up on your saddle. So get near a raptor, dismount but stay up on your spino - raptor will move directly beneath you and stay there unless some food mob comes very close to it. Your partner can get about 20yds away and peacefully knock out the raptor/carno/scorp. Carno are too big to get under the spino - and often you can put a carno down solo from on top of the saddle (positioning is key since sometimes they can reach and hit you).

It's within the realm of possibility that some may consider using cliffs or spinos like this as cheese but I consider it strategy and using what's available - and even if you "cliff" a spino you're still doing an ungodly long taming using a ton of resources and having to protect if during, so if a spino helps you tame lesser dinos later, it's just a fringe benefit.

And we have brute force tamed plenty of big beasts too - put your chitin/flak on, load up some healing brew, and work as a team to share aggro and take the hits - it can be done - it's just a lot more traumatic.

Another helpful tidbit with either surviing predator attacks or taming them is, they attack whatever is near for the most part. If you kite them thru herbivores you can get some disposalbe heroes tanking for you (or letting you escape if you're trying to flee attack). Your own pets with saddles and levels are significantly stronger than wild dinos and can tank for you within reason - put them on passive, kite your predator to be tamed thru them, and once they shift aggro start tranqing. Just make sure your "tank" isn't going to get smoked in the process. :P And know the food chain - a raptor won't attack a larger pred so your tamed carno isn't going to be tanking a raptor for you unless you hit the raptor with the carno (which is barbaric, reduced taming effectiveness, and not an ideal tame - we go for max effectiveness and the highest level mobs we can find to get uber tames).

Another helpful tidbit is that while rex/spino can break trees, trees slow them down a little - if you kite them thru trees you can gain the much needed ground to do some shooting.

We haven't even tried the narco traps but they're potentially another tool to help one with beefier targets or with frail targets that die too easy despite your best efforts (argentavis and sabre especially).
Syd Khaos Aug 6, 2015 @ 10:54am 
Originally posted by Doc Hussey:
Building a taming pen is still exploiting mechanics. They don't attack walls as they should, so there's no difference between a taming pen and two close together palm trees.

There is a difference...maybe not in the end effect...but 2 palm trees dont take time and resources to build....2 palm trees would be a stand out target for rival tribes......kinda silly that has to be pointed out....
Salty_McSweet Aug 6, 2015 @ 10:57am 
How to tame big dinos? Start by taming a scorpion. They're incredibly easy to tame since all they need is spoiled meat. I tamed one that was level 120 wild and got a lot of bonus levels to bring it high into the mid 100's. Then I rode it around killing stuff to quickly level it up more until it was well over lvl 200. His health is well over 10K and his damage if over 1K too. He can soak up incredible amounts of damage and deliver high amounts of torpor. I then used him to knock out a lvl 118 rex no problem.

I play with one other person normally, but he has no interest in taming so I do all my taming solo.

Big dinos are easy to tame solo, if you have the time. :)
AlexIce Aug 6, 2015 @ 11:00am 
sorry not reading all walls of texts but Devs said bear traps for Pvp not for taming wild at least large ones.
And if you have no idea how to tame large wild dino you need to play i bit more ) if you cant even find cliff to shot them not saying about 10 other methods...
Doc Hussey Aug 6, 2015 @ 11:01am 
Originally posted by SydKhaos:
Originally posted by Doc Hussey:
Building a taming pen is still exploiting mechanics. They don't attack walls as they should, so there's no difference between a taming pen and two close together palm trees.

There is a difference...maybe not in the end effect...but 2 palm trees dont take time and resources to build....2 palm trees would be a stand out target for rival tribes......kinda silly that has to be pointed out....

Just throwing this out there, but at least a third of the population couldn't give 2 feces about other tribes. Single players, PvE players, we don't care about these "other tribes." Two palm trees would ACTUALLY be a much more covert way then some large structure off in the wilds.
Yoth Aug 6, 2015 @ 11:13am 
The traps aren't broken. You are just not using them correctly. You need to set them up when you outrange the dino attacks or the AE will just destroy your trap while it is attacking you (not the trap itself)... if done correctly the trap will stop the rex for exactly 10 seconds. Yes, ONLY 10 seconds. If you want to tame it by trapping you will need to lay down a whole track ( at least 10 ) of traps before you lure it to you and always keep way ahead of it. It may also destroy your traps when a dodo or anthoer silly creature just happens to walk by and the rex attacks it. Just practice some more and you'll get the hang of it.

The most griefy way of using traps right now is hiding them in underwater plants or below peal spawns. You get trapped and just suffocate if not skilled to 300+ oxygen and using Lazarus Chowder at the same time.

@Devs: Reduce the trap time on humans to 1 minute please, the current 5 minutes are just ridiculous! And please activate eating and drinking while being trapped. It's not like all your arms and legs are broken at the same time.
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Syd Khaos Aug 6, 2015 @ 11:14am 
Originally posted by Doc Hussey:
Originally posted by SydKhaos:

There is a difference...maybe not in the end effect...but 2 palm trees dont take time and resources to build....2 palm trees would be a stand out target for rival tribes......kinda silly that has to be pointed out....

Just throwing this out there, but at least a third of the population couldn't give 2 feces about other tribes. Single players, PvE players, we don't care about these "other tribes." Two palm trees would ACTUALLY be a much more covert way then some large structure off in the wilds.

This is true.....but 2 palm trees dont hold big dinos put while ya shoot them. A big metal wall will......
So the tree method is not a very viable method to tame "awesome beasts" but rather somehting to use on med dinos like carno and such.

Your not taming a trex or spino on some palm trees....
Yoth Aug 6, 2015 @ 11:24am 
Originally posted by SydKhaos:
2 palm trees dont hold big dinos put while ya shoot them. A big metal wall will...

A meat wall will do so too... put 2 trikes (on passive) up in a V shape, facing each other. Between them a gap that you just barely fit though. Let the rex chase you, run throgh the gap and wedge it in between the two trikes. Keep shooting it so you keep the aggro and you're done. The rex will not attack the trikes if you manage to keep its' attention.
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Yawn YS Aug 6, 2015 @ 12:39pm 
Originally posted by Muffin Button:
Only one of the traps triggered. The rest were destroyed by the Rex's attack before they could activate. Dinos attack traps that clamp them, and a Rex's damage will go right through the 100 HP the trap has.

Not saying this is, or is not balanced, but I hope you see what's going on.

Yeah, I noticed he broke one without even being in it - but the other one he actually got caught in and then breaks it with one chomp anyway. So, it still doesn't hold worth a damn.
Yawn YS Aug 6, 2015 @ 12:46pm 
Originally posted by Jcyrus:
Originally posted by Yawn_YS:
So that begs the question that's plagued me for 200+ hours of Ark play - how ARE you meant to tame BIG wild animals? They catch up to you faster than you can kite them with tranq arrows, and you can't shoot off of your Pteranodon (though I know you can carry a guy to do it for you).
I admit I've cheesed it with the cliff taming too, but there are ways to tame big dinos without resorting to that.

There's a number of videos out there of players who have built dino traps, which they then lead dinos back to in order to tame them safely. Usually the walls are made up of doorways or windows so they can shoot through without being at risk themselves.

The wiki also mentions you can use the narco traps for taming, provided you don't allow it to KO the dino. Instead, you use the traps to built up it's torpor, then KO it the old fashioned way with tranq arrows.

You can't build a complex structure out near a wild T-Rex you've just spotted. That's just silly. And luring one back to said structure you've already built by your home base is equally silly when said spotted T-Rex is very far away. Neither of these options are practical.

The Narco traps are somewhat impractical unless you know the torpor of the dino you're trying to knock out. Each trap is something like 240 torpor, and a level 100 Rex can have 11,000 Torpor - so that's a LOT of traps you'd have to build and protect from smaller animals. Really not the best option either, guys. And do you know if they apply the torpor over time like tranq arrows or do they instantly apply the torpor? Because if it's the former, they're even less practical.

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