Every fabricated weapon is POINTLESS

[Dave1029]

I'm going to break down every fabricated weapon, and why the smithy version is better.

Melee: No melee fabricated weapon. This is ridiculous give me a super sharp sword made out of special 100 metal ingots that slashes dinos in half. But seriously give us something here. Oh I know, what about something like a baseball bat? For knocking smaller dinos out. Or that sword would be nice. Just a thought.

Pistol: The smithy pistol has better damage than the fabricated pistol, cost a reasonable amount to make, repair, and supply with ammunition, has less muzzle flash, and if you're trying to kill anything that takes more than 6 shots, you shouldn't be using the pistol in the first place.

Shotgun: They both suck.

Rifle: Longneck is far easier to make, has more damage per shot thus a higher effeciency, is more accurate, ammunition is half as expensive, and looks cooler to me. Oh and it doesn't take polymer, so, like all Smithy weapons, you don't need an Obsidian production line, which is VITAL for southern based bases.

Bow: Compound bow takes a STUPID amount of resources to make, metal arrows take a STUPID amount of resources to make, and the crossbow does good damage despite only costing you 7 metal ingots, and can fire underwater.

So. Devs. Get to balancing.

[Dave1029]

Автор сообщения: ArchXDiablo

Guns are more of a luxury in this game, or rather to satisfy that specific market. Dinos can and should do everything better than you the player, which is the point of a survival game centered around dinos.

Now, onto the OP:
I agree, and I can see your point. Smithy weaponry is cheaper and due to the cost/efficiency superior to fabricated versions. I'm not sure how I feel about the compound bow now that the durability was increased 5x, since it does do 1.5x torpor than a crossbow and should last longer as well. Longneck rifle is also the preferred choice all around and assault rifles are barely even looked at.

Shotguns..well, they are situational. Paired with a parachute they'll probably save your life from being picked up by an argentavis.

I will always support the idea that firearms are hard and non-practical to make, but smithy aka primitive versions shouldn't be more viable than fabricated versions.

Take what I said with a grain of salt though. I barely use firearms in this game other than to change the pace up.

Even with the extra durability, compound bow is more of a weapon you only make when you have an ultra-established tribe with enormous dino supply lines. 85 cementing paste and 85 polymer... legit.

[Vandragorax]

OP couldn't be further off the mark. Shotguns are very good vs. dinos and players close-up, especially the sawn-off version. The fabricated version is nice because of the clip size and the ability to add attachments.

The compound bow does AMAZING damage if you use metal arrows, and for killing dinos it works fantastically. I can take down a level 33 Bronto in like 6 metal arrows. You also get a huge advantage in that once you are done killing, you can usually pick up 90% of your metal arrows to use again! The 5x durability increase has really concreted this weapon in its place, and it's really very good if you learn how to use it (and don't use stone arrows with it).

I think OP needs to learn how to use weapons effectively and not expect a one-shot-kill on every gun in the game. This is not Counter-Strike.

[tom_gore]

Автор сообщения: ArchXDiablo

Guns are more of a luxury in this game, or rather to satisfy that specific market. Dinos can and should do everything better than you the player, which is the point of a survival game centered around dinos.

I agree, but with the absurd stat inflation of dinos brought by "difficulty" bumps (which do nothing to increase the actual difficulty of the game) we're at a point where nothing except dinos have any value in the game any more.

Dinos, which incidentally are also the biggest time sinks and the most difficult assets to protect in the game.

So the game forces you to spend a ridiculous amount of time taming a dino, which without you're absolutely nothing, which you can lose overnight to a naked guy with a pike.

Does that sound like a winning recipe in the end?

[Vandragorax]

Автор сообщения: tom_gore

Автор сообщения: ArchXDiablo

Guns are more of a luxury in this game, or rather to satisfy that specific market. Dinos can and should do everything better than you the player, which is the point of a survival game centered around dinos.

I agree, but with the absurd stat inflation of dinos brought by "difficulty" bumps (which do nothing to increase the actual difficulty of the game) we're at a point where nothing except dinos have any value in the game any more.

Dinos, which incidentally are also the biggest time sinks and the most difficult assets to protect in the game.

So the game forces you to spend a ridiculous amount of time taming a dino, which without you're absolutely nothing, which you can lose overnight to a naked guy with a pike.

Does that sound like a winning recipe in the end?

If you are losing dinos to a naked guy with a pike, you're doing it wrong.

[Rodso]

this is early acess guys remmber everything will get balenced over time im certin at one point in the future guns will be horribly op for a bit and be super easy to make but thats the nature of balanceing

[Dave1029]

Автор сообщения: Vandragorax

OP couldn't be further off the mark. Shotguns are very good vs. dinos and players close-up, especially the sawn-off version. The fabricated version is nice because of the clip size and the ability to add attachments.

The compound bow does AMAZING damage if you use metal arrows, and for killing dinos it works fantastically. I can take down a level 33 Bronto in like 6 metal arrows. You also get a huge advantage in that once you are done killing, you can usually pick up 90% of your metal arrows to use again!

I think OP needs to learn how to use weapons effectively and not expect a one-shot-kill on every gun in the game. This is not Counter-Strike.

Yeah no. A carbo took 6 shots to the face with a pump action shotgun before dying when I used the console to test all the different weapons. I will admit I am perplexed by the compound bow... despite the high resource cost, it is appropriately powerful. Killing that same level 35 or so carbo with two well placed head shots. And I did notice that high recover rate of metal arrows... so maybe... just maybe... the compound bow is infact worth it.

[Okim]

It took me a full 40 ammo + few more shots to kill level 32 mammoth with the assault rifle making headshots. The next mammoth lev 45 (not sure here, may be lower level) required just 12 shots from the longneck to kill. And it took me less that 25 arrows to bring down lev 30 mammoth with the x-bow.

Which one you think is more economical? X-bow obviously.

Then i tried to kill a dude with an x-bow. Wasted like 30 arrows only to be able to score a few strikes due to arrows slow speed and gravity. It took me 1 head shot from the longneck to bring down a lev 65 dude riding a rex in full metal armor. It took me 3 shots into the face of a charging pike melee dude in flaks with a primitive shotgun.

Summing up - bows, arrows and melee is super effective against wild dinos. Basically - against everything that is large. Guns are ideal to take out people due to them having no bullet projectiles like in old CS. You would never be able to achieve longneck`s accuracy or assault rifles DPS with a bow. And both are very useful at particular situations.

What i agree is fabricated weapons stupidly having worse damage per shot than their primitives. Why the hell is fabricated deasert eagle like gun (surely .44/.50 cal) deals less damage than ball-shooting revolver?

[Rodso]

Автор сообщения: Dave1029

Автор сообщения: Vandragorax

OP couldn't be further off the mark. Shotguns are very good vs. dinos and players close-up, especially the sawn-off version. The fabricated version is nice because of the clip size and the ability to add attachments.

The compound bow does AMAZING damage if you use metal arrows, and for killing dinos it works fantastically. I can take down a level 33 Bronto in like 6 metal arrows. You also get a huge advantage in that once you are done killing, you can usually pick up 90% of your metal arrows to use again!

I think OP needs to learn how to use weapons effectively and not expect a one-shot-kill on every gun in the game. This is not Counter-Strike.

Yeah no. A carbo took 6 shots to the face with a pump action shotgun before dying when I used the console to test all the different weapons. I will admit I am perplexed by the compound bow... despite the high resource cost, it is appropriately powerful. Killing that same level 35 or so carbo with two well placed head shots. And I did notice that high recover rate of metal arrows... so maybe... just maybe... the compound bow is infact worth it.

of coruse it bows in this game are desgined to be the effective dino killers while guns are people killers also a longneck and a scope is great for taking out flyers all we need is a fab sniper rifle and things will be cool

[Dave1029]

Автор сообщения: Vandragorax

Автор сообщения: tom_gore

I agree, but with the absurd stat inflation of dinos brought by "difficulty" bumps (which do nothing to increase the actual difficulty of the game) we're at a point where nothing except dinos have any value in the game any more.

Dinos, which incidentally are also the biggest time sinks and the most difficult assets to protect in the game.

So the game forces you to spend a ridiculous amount of time taming a dino, which without you're absolutely nothing, which you can lose overnight to a naked guy with a pike.

Does that sound like a winning recipe in the end?

If you are losing dinos to a naked guy with a pike, you're doing it wrong.

Most people who don't have pens have their dino's set to passive to avoid them running off after a dilo. So yes, a naked man with a pike can kill your precious dinos overnight. Until there is a *come back to this spot but attack enemies option,* that will continue to be a problem.

[AteBitGamer]

I made the choice not to rely on ranged weapons early on a spec'd accordingly. I have enough to farm/harvest without worrying about the high cost of bullets.

[Dave1029]

Автор сообщения: 8bit Gamer

I made the choice not to rely on ranged weapons early on a spec'd accordingly. I have enough to farm/harvest without worrying about the high cost of bullets.

So you spec'd melee damage?

[Bonks]

Dave, I'm beginning to think this just might not be the game for you.

[Dave1029]

Автор сообщения: Felwyk

Dave, I'm beginning to think this just might not be the game for you.

I have a lot of fun with it by using the console. But these are problems that really need to be addressed, and I am not alone in this line of thought. Especially with the hyper-inflated dino levels on older servers, ease of access to crafting weapons is vital for defending yourself. If things were actually realistic, the Smithy grade weapons would be of extremely high quality, but extremely hard to make, and the advantage of the fabricated weapons would be for mass producing almost as good weapons for cheap.

[Danny-NL]

Автор сообщения: Dave1029

I'm going to break down every fabricated weapon, and why the smithy version is better.

Melee: No melee fabricated weapon. This is ridiculous give me a super sharp sword made out of special 100 metal ingots that slashes dinos in half. But seriously give us something here. Oh I know, what about something like a baseball bat? For knocking smaller dinos out. Or that sword would be nice. Just a thought.

Pistol: The smithy pistol has better damage than the fabricated pistol, cost a reasonable amount to make, repair, and supply with ammunition, has less muzzle flash, and if you're trying to kill anything that takes more than 6 shots, you shouldn't be using the pistol in the first place.

Shotgun: They both suck.

Rifle: Longneck is far easier to make, has more damage per shot thus a higher effeciency, is more accurate, ammunition is half as expensive, and looks cooler to me. Oh and it doesn't take polymer, so, like all Smithy weapons, you don't need an Obsidian production line, which is VITAL for southern based bases.

Bow: Compound bow takes a STUPID amount of resources to make, metal arrows take a STUPID amount of resources to make, and the crossbow does good damage despite only costing you 7 metal ingots, and can fire underwater.

So. Devs. Get to balancing.

I got the golden tip for you....stop whinning dude.
In my eyes your a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with a non valid opinion, alway complaining

1) we got a Pike, best melee weapon there is, and really if you find the right BP of it( that go's for all the weapons and tools)

2) Seriues ? better did you even try the advenced bullets for that pistol. want to have a match any time dude.

3? Shotgun..best weapon in the game, the pump action its the only weapon i use at the moment and i can kill almost any thing with it, i even think its OP.

4) Compound bow is great and really the resorces worth to make it, and if you shoot a bit on target you can get your arrows back ;) ( depens how good you can shoot, not so well i think)
+ you got the crossbow for shooting under water.

the hole point is that you getter resources for building stuff, its a part of survival. i bet your a guy how is unhappy until he can walk with god mode and infinite ammo.

[Rodso]

Автор сообщения: nevarine

Автор сообщения: Vandragorax

OP couldn't be further off the mark. Shotguns are very good vs. dinos and players close-up, especially the sawn-off version. The fabricated version is nice because of the clip size and the ability to add attachments.

The compound bow does AMAZING damage if you use metal arrows, and for killing dinos it works fantastically. I can take down a level 33 Bronto in like 6 metal arrows. You also get a huge advantage in that once you are done killing, you can usually pick up 90% of your metal arrows to use again! The 5x durability increase has really concreted this weapon in its place, and it's really very good if you learn how to use it (and don't use stone arrows with it).

I think OP needs to learn how to use weapons effectively and not expect a one-shot-kill on every gun in the game. This is not Counter-Strike.

You legit think it makes sense to kill a 15+ ton dinosaur with arrows??? ARROWS???

Seriously, just because the game mechanics are broken atm, does not make this make sense!!

i reckon it would work arrows are deadly things