Anyone have taming scorpion tips?

[Ziigler]

I have tamed a few but even with spoiled meat their levels drop like beer kegs on St. Patty's day. Has anyone tried dodo kibble or any other kibble that is somewhat ez to get eggs for?

Anyone found best way to get taming % started high? Anything that would help get the highest effectiveness oput of the tame would be appreciated, ty...

I actually had to let one wake up and retame because the % started super low one time and I did everything right to knock it out. When I knocked out again it was a good % but they still drop way to fast with spoiled meat.

[Puri]

İlk olarak Nexxis tarafından gönderildi:

Yeah, I noticed this as well. I knocked out a bronto and saw that the health was around 25% but the TE still started at 99.9% once it started eating. I did not force feed or heal it before it started eating. I'll try it again tonight to see if this still holds true.
As for scorpion taming, I'm not sure if this still holds true, but spoiled meat is their favorite food and allows them to tame faster. This worked before the kibble update. Not sure if it still applies now.

Yes, as said several times in this thread the damage you deal before the dino is knocked out does not change the starting TE in any way. Just be careful when shooting tranq arrows so it won't get hit by it after it was knocked out, and it will always start at 100%.

And scorpions are indeed special, as they will only eat spoiled meat (so it is pretty irrelevant if it is their favorite food - they won't touch anything else), and no kibbles exist for them. So except preventing them from being hit by anything after knocking them out there is nothing you can do.

[Aira]

İlk olarak Le Oiseau tarafından gönderildi:

Just try to knock them out without hitting thm so hard. It's the same problem with Ankylo or Bronto you should be careful to your damage to keep their taming efficiency !

Other then accidental death or hitting after unconscious damage does not effect TE. Was trying to show this but accidently killed the scorp instead (hit one too many times) I'll test later when I'm on a better computer. Lvl 36 scorp lost 2.5% TE on first feeding of spoiled meat.

All based on speculation and no knowledge of actual formula:
Each feeding provides a 1.5% loss based on current TE value
A lvl 36 requres 42 feeding at 1.0 taming speed
.985^42 gives you 0.53 or approximately 53% TE "perfect" tame.

I'll do more testing on high level scorps to see if they have a reduced loss, but this is pretty bad if true.

EDIT: I botched up the TE loss, it was only 1.5 not 2.5, updated basic calculations that are technically wrong, but close. More information provided below.

So attempting a lvl 96 scorp the TE loss on initial feeding was still 1.5 on initial feeding.

[Vantus]

Even though the description of Kibble suggests it is good for all dinos, even if the Kibble isn't for the specific Dino you are taming - it's not accurate.
I tried feeding a Kibble (Bronto Egg) to a Scorpion and although he ate it, the efficiency dropped terribly and the taming bar went up at around the equivalent of 1x Raw Meat.

My advice:

• Use a Tranq Bow on minimal draw and aim for the tail. The less arrows you use, the better as it will do less health damage overall which will make it less vulnerable from being 1-shotted during the tame or after you've tamed it.
  
• Use those slanted, thin trees. Scorpions are weak to thin trees and become paralysed in their presence! (.... They get stuck)
  
• Only use Spoiled Meat. (To spoil meat quicker, break the stacks down into single units by CTRL+LMB+Drag. They will spoil at the same time rather than 1 at a time.)
  
• Once you have a Scorpion, level up it's melee damage to increase the amount of Torpor it injects. With enough points, your Scorpion will be stronger than a tranq arrows.
  
• Engaging a Scorpion while Riding a Scorpion is tricky and sometimes you need to exchange stings and out-torpor your foe. Carry Stimberries or Stimulants to prevent your noble stinging steed from falling unconscious.

I sure wish Scorpions had a Kibble I could craft. I really like the Scorpion and tend to collect different colours.

Skittles I call them :)

[Coneshot]

Throw a stack of stimberries in your argent and snatch up your fav wild scorp to drop in a handy taming pen at your base. They are easy to knock out with gentle love taps (tranq arrows) to the tail after that.

[Lilkinsly]

First off scorpians are excellent pets. My 4k health and 900% scorpion is a beast for taming things. If you are good with whistle passive, and then attack my target, you can have it hit what you are taming every 10 seconds, and still shoot tranq arrows.

With Tranq arrows, ALWAYS shoot for the head. Torpor from tranq arrows is based upon damage dealt. Heaad shots do 4x damage. Also, DON'T do half pulls on the bow, as that lowers your damage.

Always wait 5 seconds in between tranq arrow shots. The xbow is great for this, because it syncs with reload time well. Once you get your scorpion, always wait 10 seconds between stings. This gets you the full torpor effect.

Not waiting is often why training effectiveness is low. You hit him, he is going down, but because you didn't wait the 5 seconds you (and other people) put to many other arrows in him.

[Coneshot]

I agree with the timing, it's very important to wait 5 sec for tranq arrows, and 10 sec if using a scorp in order to maximize torpor with minimum damage.

[Shei]

Why does MOST PEOPLE tell people to not fully draw their bow and shoot at their tail ? Unless it's an argentavis, it's wrong as you'll have to shoot more arrow and the recent bow nerf makes you deal more damage per arrow. Just fully drawn it and aim the head, it gives THE most torpor as it scales with damage

[Vantus]

İlk olarak Sheilah tarafından gönderildi:

Why does MOST PEOPLE tell people to not fully draw their bow and shoot at their tail ? Unless it's an argentavis, it's wrong as you'll have to shoot more arrow and the recent bow nerf makes you deal more damage per arrow. Just fully drawn it and aim the head, it gives THE most torpor as it scales with damage

True or not, I prefer to do less damage so that I don't have an unconscious Dino laying on the floor with 10 HP. Nothing worse than having an almost-dead pet you spent 2 hours taming get killed in 1 hit before you get it to safety.

Less damage and a longer kiting-time is fine by me if it means my tamed pet has a stronger fighting chance when it wakes up. Sometimes you find the best pet by accident without having a safe pen nearby to set up the perfect tame.
Also, you don't always have a saddle on you to ride them back manually and must contend with the A.I getting them stuck on everything on the way back.

[Lilkinsly]

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İlk olarak Sheilah tarafından gönderildi:

Why does MOST PEOPLE tell people to not fully draw their bow and shoot at their tail ? Unless it's an argentavis, it's wrong as you'll have to shoot more arrow and the recent bow nerf makes you deal more damage per arrow. Just fully drawn it and aim the head, it gives THE most torpor as it scales with damage

True or not, I prefer to do less damage so that I don't have an unconscious Dino laying on the floor with 10 HP. Nothing worse than having an almost-dead pet you spent 2 hours taming get killed in 1 hit before you get it to safety.

Less damage and a longer kiting-time is fine by me if it means my tamed pet has a stronger fighting chance when it wakes up. Sometimes you find the best pet by accident without having a safe pen nearby to set up the perfect tame.
Also, you don't always have a saddle on you to ride them back manually and must contend with the A.I getting them stuck on everything on the way back.

I don't think you understand what we are saying. Pulling the bow all the way back or halfway results in EXACTLY the same amount of damage at the end. Below is just an example.

Let's say the dino has 1,000 torpor and 1500 health.

By pulling the bow back all the way you do 50 torpor and 50 damage. This means that after 20 arrows it will go down and be at 500 health.

If you pull the bow back halfway, you now do 25 torpor and 25 damage. It now takes you 40 arrows to put it down. At the end, the dino has 500 health.

But the second way has far more risk of something going wrong because it takes twice as long.

edit: For those thinking scorpions are useless, read the wiki. http://ark.gamepedia.com/Scorpion the numbers there are correct. A scorpion sting does 0.45 x "melee damage" in torpor, and 0.15 x "melee damage" in damage. So using a scorpion will leave you with a lot healthier dinosaur during taming (which means nothing for training effectiveness.)

[Vantus]

İlk olarak lilkinsly tarafından gönderildi:

I don't think you understand what we are saying. Pulling the bow all the way back or halfway results in EXACTLY the same amount of damage at the end. Below is just an example.

Let's say the dino has 1,000 torpor and 1500 health.

By pulling the bow back all the way you do 50 torpor and 50 damage. This means that after 20 arrows it will go down and be at 500 health.

If you pull the bow back halfway, you now do 25 torpor and 25 damage. It now takes you 40 arrows to put it down. At the end, the dino has 500 health.

But the second way has far more risk of something going wrong because it takes twice as long.

MMMmmm! Well that's something. I knew they changed bow draw damage but I didn't know the Torpor scaled to that degree with it. I never use Tranq arrows since collecting Scorps anyway so perhaps my info is a little out of date.

All of my Arrow-KO tests were done before the damage scale change.

[Ziigler]

İlk olarak Vantus tarafından gönderildi:

Even though the description of Kibble suggests it is good for all dinos, even if the Kibble isn't for the specific Dino you are taming - it's not accurate.
I tried feeding a Kibble (Bronto Egg) to a Scorpion and although he ate it, the efficiency dropped terribly and the taming bar went up at around the equivalent of 1x Raw Meat.

My advice:

• Use a Tranq Bow on minimal draw and aim for the tail. The less arrows you use, the better as it will do less health damage overall which will make it less vulnerable from being 1-shotted during the tame or after you've tamed it.
  
• Use those slanted, thin trees. Scorpions are weak to thin trees and become paralysed in their presence! (.... They get stuck)
  
• Only use Spoiled Meat. (To spoil meat quicker, break the stacks down into single units by CTRL+LMB+Drag. They will spoil at the same time rather than 1 at a time.)
  
• Once you have a Scorpion, level up it's melee damage to increase the amount of Torpor it injects. With enough points, your Scorpion will be stronger than a tranq arrows.
  
• Engaging a Scorpion while Riding a Scorpion is tricky and sometimes you need to exchange stings and out-torpor your foe. Carry Stimberries or Stimulants to prevent your noble stinging steed from falling unconscious.

I sure wish Scorpions had a Kibble I could craft. I really like the Scorpion and tend to collect different colours.

Skittles I call them :)

Nice comment!

I tammed a Scorpion in the south central cave about a month ago, named it... Skittles!

Also did not know about the half draw, I will stop using it now and do fuull draws from bow(when using)

[Paganizer]

Let's just agree, we need a prime/kibble alternative for scorpions.

[Vantus]

İlk olarak Paganizer tarafından gönderildi:

Let's just agree, we need a prime/kibble alternative for scorpions.

Agreed.
Not so much for taming time (as I find those acceptable for the Scorpion) but definitely for the Taming Efficiency level boost!