Compound bow level 70?, really??

[Scar]

*sigh*

[Vandragorax]

İlk olarak juanxlink tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Vandragorax tarafından gönderildi:

So what about drawback? Firing speed? Range? What area of your target did you hit?

You have a hell of a lot of variables in your "testing" which completely invalidates your numbers above.

E.g. if the compound bow did 33 dmg in one shot, but fires 3 times as fast as the crossbow that did 47 in one shot, your DPS overall will be way more. See where I'm getting at? :)

Or, you could try testing yourself, no one owes you anything, you dont have to trust the data collected. BB.

I will do, as soon as I get home from work this evening. Thanks a lot. All I'm saying is that he shouldn't bother posting something like "Compound bow does 33 dmg and crossbow does 47, compound bow sucks!" when clearly the testing has been completely invalid due to the unforeseen variables.

And the main thing is, he shot normal arrows from the compound bow and still expects a valid comparison.

You should be comparing the compound bow with metal arrows, vs. the crossbow with stone arrows and bow with stone arrows (since that's the best ammo each one can use).

Testing the compound bow with stone arrows for DPS is like getting a fabricated sniper rifle and using simple bullets with it, then saying that it sucks. Surely the WHOLE POINT of making the compound bow is so that you can use METAL ARROWS with it?!

[Lycrus]

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İlk olarak juanxlink tarafından gönderildi:

Or, you could try testing yourself, no one owes you anything, you dont have to trust the data collected. BB.

I will do, as soon as I get home from work this evening. Thanks a lot. All I'm saying is that he shouldn't bother posting something like "Compound bow does 33 dmg and crossbow does 47, compound bow sucks!" when clearly the testing has been completely invalid due to the unforeseen variables.

And the main thing is, he shot normal arrows from the compound bow and still expects a valid comparison.

You should be comparing the compound bow with metal arrows, vs. the crossbow with stone arrows and bow with stone arrows (since that's the best ammo each one can use).

Testing the compound bow with stone arrows for DPS is like getting a fabricated sniper rifle and using simple bullets with it, then saying that it sucks. Surely the WHOLE POINT of making the compound bow is so that you can use METAL ARROWS with it?!

Completely right and thanks for posting this. Rumors get spread by people lazily "comparing" things and not doing it properly.

[juanxlink]

İlk olarak Vandragorax tarafından gönderildi:

fabricated sniper rifle

You do know there is no such a thing right? I would point the lack of accuracy but meh.

[Nubsly]

From the ARK Digest #11:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/346110/discussions/7/535151589903572608/

Survivor, Dantedt2 asks, “Have you been thinking on a tranq gun, or tranq ammo? if not, think about it for a second: a gun that allows you to use tranquilizing ammo, instead of the normal arrows, for an increased range, and increased torpor, in exchange for an increased production costs."

Answer:

We’ve got something for you Dantedt2! The upcoming machined Sniper Rifle will be able to take fabricated tranquilizer darts!

[A҉g̷e͢nt̨ o͡f ̴Çh̨a҉nge]

And unless the compound bow WITH metal arrows can one shot mammoth with a no look head shot then it will still likely be TRASH compared to the cross bow because of unrealistic crafting and repair costs.

Comparing the weapons using stone arrows makes a lot of sense since that what most folks will be using most of the time, since they are prevalent and cheap to make (like primary ammo should be).

At the end of the day you can look at the early results from basic apples to apples comparisons like we saw here, and look at the analysis of the materials required and basically come to the conclusion that there is little reason beyond bragging rights to build one right now.

I'll stick with me Xbow as a primary weapon until some one can show me the benefit for using a compound bow is worth the opportunity cost of the effort and resources required to make and maintain it.

[BigDally]

İlk olarak Nubsly tarafından gönderildi:

From the ARK Digest #11:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/346110/discussions/7/535151589903572608/

Survivor, Dantedt2 asks, “Have you been thinking on a tranq gun, or tranq ammo? if not, think about it for a second: a gun that allows you to use tranquilizing ammo, instead of the normal arrows, for an increased range, and increased torpor, in exchange for an increased production costs."

Answer:

We’ve got something for you Dantedt2! The upcoming machined Sniper Rifle will be able to take fabricated tranquilizer darts!

Yeah I hope these darts do pretty much no damage to the animal, giving you the chance as some high initial TEs. :)

[Vandragorax]

Thanks Nubsly, that's exactly what my comparison was referencing, and I was exaggerating to prove my point, juanxlink.

I will be doing some proper testing myself later with damage from all weapons and ammo types and putting up some results maybe on the ARK wiki and here, because there doesn't seem to be much but speculation right now, especially with this newly released bow and arrows :)

As far as I am aware, this new bow and metal arrows are designed to be on-par with guns, for those of us who simply prefer to use bows as a preference (not to mention their are way more stealthy). So I am expecting to find results of similar damage with metal arrows as to the current high-tier bullets.

[BigDally]

İlk olarak Vandragorax tarafından gönderildi:

Thanks Nubsly, that's exactly what my comparison was referencing, and I was exaggerating to prove my point, juanxlink.

I will be doing some proper testing myself later with damage from all weapons and ammo types and putting up some results maybe on the ARK wiki and here, because there doesn't seem to be much but speculation right now, especially with this newly released bow and arrows :)

Wouldn't hurt to confirm the torp values as well vs all the ranged weapon/ammo types. I know most peeps are curious about damage, but I always look for the most efficient tanq weapon as well.

[juanxlink]

İlk olarak Vandragorax tarafından gönderildi:

Thanks Nubsly, that's exactly what my comparison was referencing, and I was exaggerating to prove my point, juanxlink.

I will be doing some proper testing myself later with damage from all weapons and ammo types and putting up some results maybe on the ARK wiki and here, because there doesn't seem to be much but speculation right now, especially with this newly released bow and arrows :)

Would love that, data is always welcome. We dont have to agree all the time, discussion sparks evolution. And, glad to see the damn real sniper rifle coming.
Im just waiting to get the item IDs to test the thing in SP with the different values.

[Vandragorax]

İlk olarak BigDally tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Vandragorax tarafından gönderildi:

Thanks Nubsly, that's exactly what my comparison was referencing, and I was exaggerating to prove my point, juanxlink.

I will be doing some proper testing myself later with damage from all weapons and ammo types and putting up some results maybe on the ARK wiki and here, because there doesn't seem to be much but speculation right now, especially with this newly released bow and arrows :)

Wouldn't hurt to confirm the torp values as well vs all the ranged weapon/ammo types. I know most peeps are curious about damage, but I always look for the most efficient tanq weapon as well.

This is the only information I've seen so far and it doesn't yet include the new bow and metal arrows, nor a proper comparison of crossbow using stone arrows: http://ark.gamepedia.com/Weapon_Damage

I will try to add to this page later when I get chance to play and do some testing.

[Vandragorax]

İlk olarak juanxlink tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Vandragorax tarafından gönderildi:

Thanks Nubsly, that's exactly what my comparison was referencing, and I was exaggerating to prove my point, juanxlink.

I will be doing some proper testing myself later with damage from all weapons and ammo types and putting up some results maybe on the ARK wiki and here, because there doesn't seem to be much but speculation right now, especially with this newly released bow and arrows :)

Would love that, data is always welcome. We dont have to agree all the time, discussion sparks evolution. And, glad to see the damn real sniper rifle coming.
Im just waiting to get the item IDs to test the thing in SP with the different values.

Why not just spawn in all the raw materials with current ID's and build one for testing? Don't have to spawn in the item itself directly :D

[BigDally]

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İlk olarak BigDally tarafından gönderildi:

Wouldn't hurt to confirm the torp values as well vs all the ranged weapon/ammo types. I know most peeps are curious about damage, but I always look for the most efficient tanq weapon as well.

This is the only information I've seen so far and it doesn't yet include the new bow and metal arrows, nor a proper comparison of crossbow using stone arrows: http://ark.gamepedia.com/Weapon_Damage

I will try to add to this page later when I get chance to play and do some testing.

Correct and thanks for that. I should have been more clear. What I really meant to suggest was how the torp values are reflected when shooting a tranq arrow in a compound bow. Thanks for the link!

[Deztra]

İlk olarak Eldiora tarafından gönderildi:

I just tested the Compound bow in Singleplayer:

Test was done with Tranq Arrows and Stone Arrows (for the damage part)

Bow was always drawn out to the maximum

Normal 100% item used in all cases


As far as Tranq goes its completly useless

Bow: 45 Torpor
X-Bow: 78 Torpor
Composite Bow: 54 Torpor

Damage Against a Saddled Mammoth with the Compound Bow: 33
Compared to the Crossbow: 47

So the compound bow is worse than the crossbow in every regard for anything Dino related.

Could not test it against a player yet but i doubt with standard arrows it will make any difference.

Whats even worse... 50 durability.

It breaks freakingly fast, after just 20 arrows or so its broken...

repair cost 47 polymer, 42 metal, 37 paste.

Really this bow is a complete waste of time its only like 20% better than the standard bow at 10000x the cost

Your tests are off I fired on LIVE official 36 server 50 arrows and it is close to broken not quite broke. Also the damage with normal arrows is about his estimate however on a level 148 trex with a 44armor apprentice saddle it did just under 100 dmg MORE then a 144% longneck. Headshots only were used.

[fader48080]

İlk olarak TheRealAzrael tarafından gönderildi:

Wow, that is steep, hopefully it is strong!

not sure the pistol costs a ton and it is crap so no telling with these guys but maybe they just hate guns.

[Deztra]

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Wow, that is steep, hopefully it is strong!

not sure the pistol costs a ton and it is crap so no telling with these guys but maybe they just hate guns.

You must mean Fabricated pistol cause the Simple Pistol with a scope is AMAZING