Compound bow level 70?, really??

[Scar]

*sigh*

[Payne]

We don’t want every peasant running around with high tech gear right:)

[Athos42]

Originally posted by Be4st:

Originally posted by tom_gore:

Mat requirements anyone?

Bow:
95 Polymer
85 Ingot
75 Cementing Paste

Arrows:
3 Thatch
3 Fiber
3 Ingot
2 Cementing Paste
2 Ingot

What is that, an artillery gun?

For this material cost, there'd better be Tranquility arrows that do 1000 torpor damage each.

[Erathanos]

Originally posted by dovahkiin99:

We don’t want every peasant running around with high tech gear right:)

^^ he gets it

[Scud]

Originally posted by Michael:

Originally posted by Scud:

You still dont understand that point.....

ohh I understand better then you may think...
you can not afford to use it, therefore you can not justify using it...
there are players who can not make a long neck, and consider it expensive...
there are even players who can not get oil to make a fabricator, to make flak armor and consider the whole process too expensive..
I do not consider the bow cheap, but I also do not write it off as worthless since I can afford to use it..

Test it on anything you want, wont matter.. you think its too expensive, many people do.. and for those people.. save your points and materials. For anyone else who is bothering to read this.. it wrecks players and flyers... not everyone wants to use a gun in pvp, some people strive to be different then most people.. some people are not sheep.

wall of text 0 facts.
It is already fact that it is useless and pointless in PVE - due cost.
so PVE aspect we dont speak - closed.
It is logically clear that in PVP it useless too - ranged combat Long rifle , close combat shotgun / or assy rifle. (rifles are much easyer to aim and hit)
so PVP aspect we closed too.
Only use for it is FUN for admins and players who have tons of resurses, but effectiveness of this item is low.

[Scud]

Originally posted by caleb68:

I was looking forward to the compound bow and the arrows, but... why im not now:

Cost: the bow and upkeep of the bow is just too expensive.

Arrows: They should at least be useable by the crossbow, not just the compound bow. Cost of bow makes the arrows pointless to make.

I don't mind it being a level 70 item, but the cost? and the repair cost? yeah thats just way over the top for a bow.

I prefer the bows over the guns, but this is Just one more set of engrams I won't be learning.

If arrows will be useable in Crossbow then CompBow will be useless. They wont make it.

[Erathanos]

Originally posted by Scud:

Originally posted by Michael:

ohh I understand better then you may think...
you can not afford to use it, therefore you can not justify using it...
there are players who can not make a long neck, and consider it expensive...
there are even players who can not get oil to make a fabricator, to make flak armor and consider the whole process too expensive..
I do not consider the bow cheap, but I also do not write it off as worthless since I can afford to use it..

Test it on anything you want, wont matter.. you think its too expensive, many people do.. and for those people.. save your points and materials. For anyone else who is bothering to read this.. it wrecks players and flyers... not everyone wants to use a gun in pvp, some people strive to be different then most people.. some people are not sheep.

wall of text 0 facts.
It is already fact that it is useless and pointless in PVE - due cost.
so PVE aspect we dont speak - closed.
It is logically clear that in PVP it useless too - ranged combat Long rifle , close combat shotgun / or assy rifle. (rifles are much easyer to aim and hit)
so PVP aspect we closed too.
Only use for it is FUN for admins and players who have tons of resurses, but effectiveness of this item is low.

We agree on this ( except that it is VERY effective on what it does )!!! but dont write something off as useless/worthless when you have not properly tested what its great at.. the arrows and the bow are too expensive to be wasted on non flying or not players.. for now.. soon the game will have more ways to get resources easier, and they will make even more expensive things..

( btw carnos are silly creatures, all the bennifits of a raptor with giantism, all the drawbacks of the t-rex )

[DMSL]

Wow those mats are ridiculous. This bow should be made at the smithy with metal, fiber and hide. The arrows with metal and fiber. Paste on these makes no sense.

[GeekyGek]

Originally posted by Scud:

rifles are much easyer to aim and hit

this I disagree with, the compound bow has a sight, just like aiming with the crossbow and bow, hold down right mouse, draw with left mouse and fire. I can kill things faster with a bow/crossbow then I can with any of the guns, and they are silent, making it difficult to tell where the shot came from in the first place. Bows have their disadvantages, but they have their advantages too, it all depends on if your use to using bows or not, if not, your most likely going to have issues. Far easier to hit a target dead on with a bow then with a gun and its drift, unless of course your one of those people who have to use something like aimbot to actually hit a target.

[-||cherohala||-]

Originally posted by Michael:

Originally posted by Scud:

You still dont understand that point.....
Rifle bullet goes strait - easy to shoot + easy to aiming.
Bow arrow fly in parabola - aiming helps in horisontal but not in vertical angle. even if we starting to speak about moving objekt then u need to know how it WILL go with flyer.

Bow have TONS of negative effects vs rifle.

BTW
"the bow isnt designed to be wasted on a silly carno"
so u mean it shoudnt be tested or you mean it should be tested on humans only? trike allowed? )) you becoming to sounds fun )))

ohh I understand better then you may think...
you can not afford to use it, therefore you can not justify using it...
there are players who can not make a long neck, and consider it expensive...
there are even players who can not get oil to make a fabricator, to make flak armor and consider the whole process too expensive..
I do not consider the bow cheap, but I also do not write it off as worthless since I can afford to use it..

Test it on anything you want, wont matter.. you think its too expensive, many people do.. and for those people.. save your points and materials. For anyone else who is bothering to read this.. it wrecks players and flyers... not everyone wants to use a gun in pvp, some people strive to be different then most people.. some people are not sheep.

I can afford to use it. I admin on a private server and I could spawn items in to my heart's content ( I prefer not to in order to keep the game engaging). So it's entirely within my reach to easily repair it over and over...but that doesn't take away the fact that the bow's repair requirements and levels are plain wrong.

The thing that makes the bow the most worthless is the fact that it has the same durability as the wooden bow.

Wrecks players and flyers...great. So can a lot of other weapons. Just cause you like to use it that way doesn't change that the bow takes more levels and resources than a rocket launcher, all the while having the same durability as the wooden bow. Doesn't make sense. That is the main problem people are seeing. If it had amazing durability, I would be totally cool with the resources.

It either needs to have its level req + materials lowered if it's gonna keep the same durability. Or they need to significantly up the durability if they want it to have those reqs (and even then looking at what's available prior to the compound....lol).

I main a bow and have an ascendent level wooden...right now it's more logical for me to go farm the hundreds of wood to repair it rather than even bother with the compound bow.

[Shardaron]

I don't understand why it would be so high level.
A real world bow only has three advantages over a gun; lighter, quieter (even if the gun has a suppressor), and reusable ammo. If you want to get into wooden stuff the bow and arrow are also easier to make. But they never have more range, accuracy, or damage.
You get guns (every gun I think) before it and any gun should be better than a bow at least in per-shot damage if not fire rate and accuracy as well (ball-shot pistol would not have the range advantage). This bow should be built at the same level as the crossbow and be an alternate that fires faster but has less per-shot damage than the crossbow. Why wait until lvl 70 to unlock a bow when you can get the assault rifle at, what, 55 or 60, and mow down anything that gets even remotely close to you? Unless they made this bow capable of killing anything with one shot to the head, or as one of the earlier posters said, nuclear arrowheads.

[TimokQC]

gathering those ressource to make it could take like 24 hour on a normal server maybe less but for firing 50 arrow?? so taking 24 hour to craft something i can use for half an hour

[Erathanos]

Ever play a game where you only had 3 healing potions left so you saved them for those special situations.. or you only had 3 bullets left and had a knife so you tried your hardest to save those bullets for "the fight"... only to die... the bow and its mat requiremtns are high.. If you make it, and risk carrying it and know how to use it.. it could save your life in pvp. The best part is the risk, that rush you get when you have more to loose then just about anyone else. You better not miss that shot, you better stay quiet and undetected, you better get the heck out of there after the kill as they are not carring anything worth looting compared to the expensive bow you have. There has to be some deserving player on every pvp server that needs a nice new eyebrow fletching decoration.. This is what makes it worth using, it takes MORE skill then a rifle, and when you nail that target and they die, and you get away. Its not for timid players.

[raymazoida]

Originally posted by Junkernought:

I don't understand why it would be so high level.
A real world bow only has three advantages over a gun; lighter, quieter (even if the gun has a suppressor), and reusable ammo. If you want to get into wooden stuff the bow and arrow are also easier to make. But they never have more range, accuracy, or damage.
You get guns (every gun I think) before it and any gun should be better than a bow at least in per-shot damage if not fire rate and accuracy as well (ball-shot pistol would not have the range advantage). This bow should be built at the same level as the crossbow and be an alternate that fires faster but has less per-shot damage than the crossbow. Why wait until lvl 70 to unlock a bow when you can get the assault rifle at, what, 55 or 60, and mow down anything that gets even remotely close to you? Unless they made this bow capable of killing anything with one shot to the head, or as one of the earlier posters said, nuclear arrowheads.

1 - it's so high level because its actually pretty "high tech". The compound bow was invented in 1966. When was the rifle? More than 100 years earlier! It has to be machined so self evidently it has to be higher level than a fabricator.

2 - yes it's expensive, but then I've shot club level archery, and the arrows are expensive two! Even my "basic recurve" bow set me back £100+! (I'm not talking about the crap they sell online here, a basic tourney quality bow) Not including the arrows! Or attachments and other need gear. Compounds were more expensive, so yes I can see why it's expensive, most people don't earn in a day enough to go buy a rubbish one, never mind a decent quality one! This stuff should not be available to anyone, it should be hard.

3 - yes you get guns before it, see point one.

4 - fire rate etc. During the Napoleonic wars Wellington looked at the viability of raising a longbow regiment. Why? Because they shot faster and further than any of the firearms at his disposal (including early rifles) It is specualted that had the English Agincourt army faced the Waterloo one the army with "400 year old kit" would have won hands down! Their rate of fire was imense compared to any single shot loading weapon, and still is. A good bowman can shoot a lot of arrows very quickly, and very accuratly.

5 - same level as crossbow, No. Just no. Compounds are far more advanced than Crosbows. Crossbows were invented purely for people who didn't have the training to shoot a "real bow". Crossbows have been around far longer precisly because they are a lot lower tech.

[Scar]

Originally posted by Michael:

Originally posted by dovahkiin99:

We don’t want every peasant running around with high tech gear right:)

^^ he gets it

Thats why you clearly dont make it lvl 25 duh :L

[PocketYoda]

Originally posted by dovahkiin99:

We don’t want every peasant running around with high tech gear right:)

Are you scared the peasants might actually kill you...