Nacroberries/Narcotic and their effect on Taming.

[Fervid]

I've heard a few different theories on this and would appreciate some community feedback.

Does the usage of Narcoberries and/or Narcotic change taming effectiveness?

If so, under what conditions?

Thanks!

[lewax00]

Originally posted by Aye Sir!:

It doesn't do anything besides increase the Dinos torpor. It doesn't lower the Dinos hunger faster and it doesn't effect taming effectiveness. Look it up on the wiki.

The Wiki (and my own personl experience) disagree with you on the hunger point, it definitely causes hunger to fall faster for a short period.

[Vohjiin]

I am assuming this is part of the herivore gets narcobeirries and carnivores get narcotics thing?

No taming works just like it says it does, there is no magical situation/method that is gonna make it quicker nor have a higher taming effectivness. Everyone reads WAY to much into something that is in fact a simple mechanic.

When a creatures taming timer ticks (seperate of the hunger bar...as pointed our month ago in a dev interview), it will eat and at that point effectivness can lower and taming compeltion is adjusted (Prime meats, favorite foods). Kibbles help keep taming effectivness high by making the tame quicker and reducing the amount of effectivness lost.


Hopefully the new mod kit everyone can just dive into it and find out exactly for sure. but no from what I can see it does not matter and all these "methods" are really a waste of time.

[Nocturnal626]

Originally posted by Aye Sir!:

It doesn't do anything besides increase the Dinos torpor. It doesn't lower the Dinos hunger faster and it doesn't effect taming effectiveness. Look it up on the wiki.

Actually if you feed it stim berries then some narcotic you can see the hunger drop way faster. I do this when i starve all my tames and am 100% sure this works.

[Fervid]

Originally posted by Nocturnal:

Originally posted by Aye Sir!:

It doesn't do anything besides increase the Dinos torpor. It doesn't lower the Dinos hunger faster and it doesn't effect taming effectiveness. Look it up on the wiki.

Actually if you feed it stim berries then some narcotic you can see the hunger drop way faster. I do this when i starve all my tames and am 100% sure this works.

Although this method may be quicker, does it not lower the taming effectiveness dramatically? I'd rather wait longer if I were to get a higher level tame out of it.

[Fogno]

My understanding is that, currently, Narcoberries lower taming effectiveness while Narcotics do not. Eating any kind of food lowers TE, and because Narcotics are not food, they don't lower it. I also hear that the stimberry method lowers TE for this reason, but I have never tested it.

I remember it used to be that Narcoberries were supposed to be used on herbivores (because they're berries) and Narcotics on carnivores (because they use spoiled meat). Using the wrong thing would lower TE. I'm fairly sure it was changed to what I stated above ^

EDIT: Also in my experience, using narcotics/narcoberries slows down hunger by a small margin on certain dinos. I know for a fact it does on spinos and rexes because I sat there and timed it lol. This only happens when torpor is currently rising, however. Their hunger drops at its normal speed when their torpor is decreasing.

[neologisms]

Bad information spreads too quickly. Narcotic/Narco berries DOES NOT drop hunger faster. You perceive it as faster because it ticks down in .1 or .2 increments instead of the normal .4 or .5. Take a stop watch if you don't believe me. (I have)

Lets put this to rest people, the first reply is the best and most accurate:

Aye Sir!
It doesn't do anything besides increase the Dinos torpor. It doesn't lower the Dinos hunger faster and it doesn't effect taming effectiveness. Look it up on the wiki.

[Angelous Wang]

Originally posted by halesfogno:

My understanding is that, currently, Narcoberries lower taming effectiveness while Narcotics do not. Eating any kind of food lowers TE, and because Narcotics are not food, they don't lower it. I also hear that the stimberry method lowers TE for this reason, but I have never tested it.

Narcoberries lower taming effectiveness becuase it counts as force feeding.
Narcotics do not because they are not food.

Originally posted by halesfogno:

EDIT: Also in my experience, using narcotics/narcoberries slows down hunger by a small margin on certain dinos. I know for a fact it does on spinos and rexes because I sat there and timed it lol. This only happens when torpor is currently rising, however. Their hunger drops at its normal speed when their torpor is decreasing.

Narcoberries are food so they increase food and therefore slow down hunger very slightly.

[Midnight Piper]

Originally posted by neologisms:

Bad information spreads too quickly. Narcotic/Narco berries DOES NOT drop hunger faster. You perceive it as faster because it ticks down in .1 or .2 increments instead of the normal .4 or .5. Take a stop watch if you don't believe me. (I have)

This.
Stims/Narcotics double the speed at which hunger is reported (shows you half the regular hunger increment twice as quickly) creating the illusion that they impact hunger - they don't.

[seb3sec]

Originally posted by neologisms:

It doesn't do anything besides increase the Dinos torpor. It doesn't lower the Dinos hunger faster and it doesn't effect taming effectiveness. Look it up on the wiki.

Most people think it lowers food faster because the number changes multiple times per second always taking away 0.1 food points while torpor is increasing. Without any narco influence the food drops by a value (depends on the creature) but only one time per second.
Last time I checked this like 20 versions ago and on some creatures using the stim/narco method seemed to be a bit slower than without stimulants.

A lot of things about taming are changing so don't rely on information that was posted weeks ago. (and some people spread such knowledge as up-to-date without checking it by themselves...)

[Osterberg501]

Like most have said currently the only difference between using narcotics and narcoberries are the berries give 7.5 torpor and narcotics give 50 and narcotics don't spoil. Also using either do not up or lower the speed of food increase and decrease and does not lower or raise effectivness. One of the devs already debunked the myth that stims lower food and saying that force feeding a dino anything refreshes the food tick rate so it comes faster for a short amount of time. BTW the wiki is not a great spot for information as it is wrong about a lot of stuff.

[Myst?c]

Originally posted by Nocturnal:

Originally posted by Aye Sir!:

It doesn't do anything besides increase the Dinos torpor. It doesn't lower the Dinos hunger faster and it doesn't effect taming effectiveness. Look it up on the wiki.

Actually if you feed it stim berries then some narcotic you can see the hunger drop way faster. I do this when i starve all my tames and am 100% sure this works.

the devs specicially that feeding stim berries does nothing for hunger, it just resets the counter faster, it looks faster, cause you are seeing the numbers each time, but no, all it does is just waste narcos, dont believe me, tame two low lvl dinos, and see which one does faster, just narcos, or narco and stim (or see how many narcos one saves you)

[Demran]

For the millionth time... Stimberry / Narcoberry / Stimulant / Narcotic does NOT lower hunger bar.
They just make it refresh faster, so instead of the usual 0.3 Drops on hunger bar every 0.3 seconds, it lowers by 0.1 every 0.1 seconds until Narcotic effect is fully done. (Until 40 Torpor is increased for Narcotic, and 8 Torpor is increased for Narcoberry)

And NO.. they don't change Taming Effectiveness either.

Only food counts towards the taming:

-- Meat - Cooked Meat - Meat Jerky - Prime Meat - Cooked Prime Meat - Prime Meat Jerky -Kibble for Carnivores
-- Spoilt Meat for Scorpions
-- Amarberry - Azulberry - Mejoberry - Tintoberry - Kibble for Herbivores,

does lower the Taming Effectiveness.

(Yes the right Kibbles does lower it by a very small amount every time they eat as well. - To be more specific on Official Server Settings a 120 Rex with a +60 Bonus that is tamed with pure Kibble will lower to +51 Levels by the end of tame - I believe it was 85%ish Taming Effectiveness at the end)

[Caddy]

How about the "myth" about timing the narcotics to the eating animtation, and not when its still?

[Diabolos]

Originally posted by neologisms:

Bad information spreads too quickly. Narcotic/Narco berries DOES NOT drop hunger faster. You perceive it as faster because it ticks down in .1 or .2 increments instead of the normal .4 or .5. Take a stop watch if you don't believe me. (I have)

Lets put this to rest people, the first reply is the best and most accurate:

Aye Sir!
It doesn't do anything besides increase the Dinos torpor. It doesn't lower the Dinos hunger faster and it doesn't effect taming effectiveness. Look it up on the wiki.

You are absolut right man!!!

[lPaladinl]

Yeah Narco Berries definitely don't impact hunger.

I've seen videos where it looks like it does, but that's either older versions or some sort of glitch that happens and doesn't actually affect their hunger.

When I play on my own server or singleplayer, I have never noticed Narcoberries affecting the hunger levels, nor the taming effectiveness. I definitely see no difference between Narcotics and Narcoberries, other than Narcotics are more efficient in storage space and usage. (And of course are a pre-requisite for tranqs)

Taming Effieciency goes down no matter what you do, and the amounts you see are naturally from the amount of time it takes to tame any dinosaurs.

Your real losses, besides wasting time by not starting the process quickly and keeping it going, and of course having the dinosaur hit while it is being tamed, are going to be in whether or not you have their prefered food or kibble.

Also Starving your Dinosaurs/Animals before feeding them does not speed up the taming process, and you only lose time by making the effort and then still having to wait the short delay between the animal automatically eatting the food you give it.

It's nice to see the bar go up real fast, but the reality is you would get the same progress in roughly the same amount of time depending on how starved you make the animal. If you starve them completely, You will have lost time, not gained any.