Are narcoberries really equally good as using narcotics?

[Zahlea]

Right, so I was under the impression narcotics gave slightly more torpor than the 5 narcoberries used when creating narcotics. But the wiki says differently:

One Narcoberry will increase an animal's torpor by 8. One Narcotic increases torpor by 40.

5 * 8 = 40 as you all know, meaning either the wiki is wrong or narcoberries are just as good as narcotics with respect to the amount of berries, and better as the berries don't need to be crafted and the spoiled meat is not needed.

http://ark.gamepedia.com/Taming#Taming_Hints

[Machyna]

引用自 halton：

Devs brass knuckles

hope u get banned from the forums.

[Ximkai]

Key perks behind narcotics is no spoil time so you can stockpile. And a stack of narcotics give more total torpor then a stack of berries, thus making life easier in taming.

[Ximkai]

引用自 mad viper：

try keeping a spino down with berries sometime....

Ah my first spino... I actually had to resort to kicking it's ass there at the end of its taming.

[Deadman]

I think what he is saying is that berries delay the torpor drop longer than narcotics do, hence you need to use less berries than you would consume making the narcotics.

Narcotics raise the total torpor more yes, but it does it in a shorter amount of time. When taming you don't care how high the torpor is, you just want it to go up for as long as possible. Hence berries are better

[Intrepid Knight]

Narcoberries do not reduce taming effectiveness. Ive tested this quite a bit. There are plenty of videos on youtube that you can watch that prove this.

[Intrepid Knight]

引用自 Stephani Rabbitheart：

I was not aware that using berries would lower the taming effectivness. I wondered why it would go down though. We usually use both. I am so glad to know this information. Thank you.

Thats not true test it yourself before taking that advice. There are several videos you can watch to confirm this.

[Aphotep]

引用自 Deadman：

I think what he is saying is that berries delay the torpor drop longer than narcotics do, hence you need to use less berries than you would consume making the narcotics.

Narcotics raise the total torpor more yes, but it does it in a shorter amount of time. When taming you don't care how high the torpor is, you just want it to go up for as long as possible. Hence berries are better

That depends entirely on the dino youz are taming. If the major problem is fast droping torpor, then the berries may actually be better (Giga).
If the torpor drops at a regular rate, you might want a bigger overall increase of torpor instead, which would be the narcotics.

引用自 Big Boss：

引用自 Stephani Rabbitheart：

I was not aware that using berries would lower the taming effectivness. I wondered why it would go down though. We usually use both. I am so glad to know this information. Thank you.

Thats not true test it yourself before taking that advice. There are several videos you can watch to confirm this.

This was true at the begining. Force feeding either narcoberries or narcotic reduced the TE, making narcotic even more effective, as you'd only have to force feed 1/5 of individual items.

[FindtheeSwing]

引用自 Euzio：

Ever since I can craft Narcotics, i've only strictly used it for all my taming purposes. There is a multitude of advantageous Narcotic have over narcoberries.

1) They last indefinitely, no expiration time
2) They don't reduce taming effectiveness. Good for taming high level dinos and keeping the stats.
3) They weigh less overall than to carry stacks of narcoberries
4) They raise alot more torpor per use compared to narcoberries. Allowing you to spam click less (more for lazy people like myself :P)
5) Carrying a stack of narcotics with you is actually pretty nifty as you can craft tranq arrows on the go if you run short on them out in the field

And finally, what I actually find is the best reason....

6) You can actually get alot of xp simply by mass crafting narcotics. I'm currently lvl 52 and I think almost a quarter of my levels thus far was gained by mass crafting narcotics. Spoiled meat is easy to get, and once you have 2 or 4 farm plots planted growing Narcoberries, you never need to go berry gathering ever.

6th is a good reason but it is not the best the best reason to carrry narcotics is in your own base and pop by the mammoth to grab stims and find a tribe member narc him up stim him azulberry him then get narcoberries throw in narcotics then ads narcoberries on top aand just wait for them to log in many laughs have been had

[[VIC] Sgt Scorpio]

引用自 Aphotep：

引用自 Deadman：

I think what he is saying is that berries delay the torpor drop longer than narcotics do, hence you need to use less berries than you would consume making the narcotics.

Narcotics raise the total torpor more yes, but it does it in a shorter amount of time. When taming you don't care how high the torpor is, you just want it to go up for as long as possible. Hence berries are better

That depends entirely on the dino youz are taming. If the major problem is fast droping torpor, then the berries may actually be better (Giga).
If the torpor drops at a regular rate, you might want a bigger overall increase of torpor instead, which would be the narcotics.

I believe that is indeed what lemp was (poorly) trying to convey and it does make sense if its true that berries slow the giga's torpor drop more than narcotics then they are better in that case because you would use less to keep more torpor, but it is really only for fast torpor dinos but more of those could be added at some point.

[Trekkie83]

The wiki is horrible... it doesn't decrease taming effectiveNess on officalls I intentionally narc d one with berries and tried.. also he's speaking about the amount of time the torpor is applied over. We use it to tame all our dinos minimizing our narc use. If you've ever tamed a giga you where forced to use this mechanic to tame it since torpor raises slower than it drops.

Food still decreases while torpor is rising so you can play a numbers game with your narc and the tame.. I prefer to starve tame when we can so we reduce the risk of wasting kibble.

//Disclaimer: my phone sucks I can't stand it and it's more than likely reponsable for my typos

[Sbeve]

引用自 lemp：

repooted for necrobumping

[lemp]

引用自 Scorpio：

引用自 Aphotep：

That depends entirely on the dino youz are taming. If the major problem is fast droping torpor, then the berries may actually be better (Giga).
If the torpor drops at a regular rate, you might want a bigger overall increase of torpor instead, which would be the narcotics.

I believe that is indeed what lemp was (poorly) trying to convey and it does make sense if its true that berries slow the giga's torpor drop more than narcotics then they are better in that case because you would use less to keep more torpor, but it is really only for fast torpor dinos but more of those could be added at some point.

引用自 Scorpio：

引用自 Aphotep：

That depends entirely on the dino youz are taming. If the major problem is fast droping torpor, then the berries may actually be better (Giga).
If the torpor drops at a regular rate, you might want a bigger overall increase of torpor instead, which would be the narcotics.

I believe that is indeed what lemp was (poorly) trying to convey and it does make sense if its true that berries slow the giga's torpor drop more than narcotics then they are better in that case because you would use less to keep more torpor, but it is really only for fast torpor dinos but more of those could be added at some point.

this ... and its Not only for fast decreasing Dinos its for every Dino that has a rathner high torpor Level - this Way you dont have to think about the unconsious Level of the Dino anymore ad he will be knocked out so Long ... but yeah i for myself mostly use the Berry tactic in fast decreasing Dinos like meso/ plesio/ spino/ gigas

narcotics Are a Great Way to Level in the lower Levels but get mostly useless on 75+

i just craft all the spoiled meat into narcotics as i have enough berries at all times, but Most Dinos Are easiest to tame with berries

[sun ★]

引用自 Buster：

I like narcotics the best, not only do they pack a punch in one container, they last forever. That too me makes them more valuable than the berries, plus they don't lower an animal's taming effectiveness like the berries do.

Im not sure about that. As im typing this, i'm taming a level 165 Therizinosaurus with 99.6% Taming Effectiveness just from eating mejoberries. It has been 82+ levels and has not gone down. I've also feed it about 400+ narcoberries and 150 narcotics and it's taming effectiveness did not go down

[margalus]

引用自 SunBathingCrow：

引用自 Buster：

I like narcotics the best, not only do they pack a punch in one container, they last forever. That too me makes them more valuable than the berries, plus they don't lower an animal's taming effectiveness like the berries do.

Im not sure about that. As im typing this, i'm taming a level 165 Therizinosaurus with 99.6% Taming Effectiveness just from eating mejoberries. It has been 82+ levels and has not gone down. I've also feed it about 400+ narcoberries and 150 narcotics and it's taming effectiveness did not go down

4 year old thread, things change.

[lemp]

lol ... necroing a narco post :P