Nvidia game

[Famrid[FR]]

I see this becoming a game with an ok performance on nvidia and bad one on amd card like project car.

I can see a 970 or 980 having a better performance in this game on the near future than my 700 euro r9 fury X

I hope you guys (dev) prove me wrong

[Generic-Raider]

Seems like it

[hostage67]

Just out of curiosity what makes you say this?

- The devs use both Nvidia and AMD video cards
- It will support both cards just fine
- The Nvidia tech that has been announced is being used because they think it's cool tech.
- AMD tech isn't being used because... IT DOESN'T EXIST.


So I'm not sure why everyone keeps crying about this game only being for Nvidia, when the options they are referring to don't even exist on AMD.

[Gjafar]

I think they have nvidia as partner and now they support high cards first. Let me know if iam wrong but this is my opinion of this. Just marketing.

[hostage67]

They support both AMD and Nvidia. They are using some higher tech with the Nvidia cards simply because it exists. I assume if the same type of technology existed on AMD they would also add support for it there, but since it doesn't exist they can't add it.

This has been one of the big differences between Nvidia and AMD for some time now and one of the many reasons I won't be going back to AMD anytime in the near future. Why would anyone use an AMD card that limits what you can do, when you can buy an equivalent Nvidia card with the same or better performance that also gives all of these extra options for the developers to use in game which can drastically improve the visual quality of the game.

It doesn't make sense to me why people would buy AMD cards, then complain because Nvidia gets cooler looking stuff, when AMD doesn't even offer the option.

This isn't an issue with the developers guys, if you have a problem with this kind of stuff you should really be complaining to AMD and maybe they'll do something about it.

[Jyandalf]

Ok, I buy AMD because of 2 reasons:
1) AMD cards give nicer colours IN MY OPINION
2) I do not get paid enough from my job to build a good intel/nVIDIA rig

For those who say AMD offers noting, look at TressFX and Mantle. Yes they don't do as much as nVIDIA does, but they do actually offer some apis for developers to choose to use

[Famrid[FR]]

It's not about tech as there is no hairworks hbao flex integrated in the game yet, it's just optimization. And there is an amd hairworks like it's called tressfx and it's open sourced.

And at driver default setting nvidia iq is lower than amd's just to gain a few fps to have better result in review at the expense of quality.

[hostage67]

Originally posted by Broken Rebels-1nc0mp3t3nc3:

Ok, I buy AMD because of 2 reasons:
1) AMD cards give nicer colours IN MY OPINION
2) I do not get paid enough from my job to build a good intel/nVIDIA rig

Nothing wrong with that, but why does it become an issue if someone else is using an Nvidia card?

Originally posted by FamridFR:

It's not about tech as there is no hairworks hbao flex integrated in the game yet, it's just optimization. And there is an amd hairworks like it's called tressfx and it's open sourced.

The game is not optimized right now, everyone is suffering the same exact performance issues. If you read the posts from the devs on this issue, the problem has nothing to do with the video drivers, and has to do with the unreal engine optimizations.

So my question is... what makes you think that Nvidia is optimized any better for this game than AMD is other than the higher end tech stuff mentioned earlier.

[Famrid[FR]]

Upcoming This-Week Patch Notes:
- MASSIVE GPU Perf Gain for NVIDIA cards, about 10 Miliseconds per frame. Coming as soon as NVIDIA will let us get the new drivers out...

[Jyandalf]

It's more that the devs choose the closed source Tech that stops AMD users from being able to take advantage of the extra pretty stuff being put into the game instead of using open source material for mutual benefits in some people's eyes

[TheRightHand]

Nvidia cards will always perform better than AMD cards. Fullstop. This is incredibly sad to us, because some of us (including myself) develop on AMD cards and would love for AMD to perform just as well as Nvidia does.

AMD has three really notable weaknesses:

They are really bad with compute shaders. We use these because they are amazing and beautiful and look great.

They are really bad with tessellation. Right now we don't use a lot of tessellation, but if we ever want to do stuff like have really pretty hair, feathered dinos, dynamic water, "realistic" grass, etc, we have to use tessellation. Tessellation is not a feature of Nvidia cards, it's just a thing that exists that AMD does really poorly.

They are not great with volumetric effects. Truesky (our sky+clouds) as well as explosions, dust clouds, fog, etc, are all volumetric effects. AMD is slower at processing these effects.

This is innate to the architecture of the cards and their drivers, and is completely aside how we implement the features.

We will ALWAYS implement features as GPU-agnostic as is humanly possible to do, but by the very nature of the cards, AMD underperforms vs Nvidia on modern games that use ANY advanced rendering techniques. And all of them do, not just us.

We partnered with Nvidia so that we could make sure that the tech we use that they provide is as optimized as possible for every system it possibly can be, and so that we can have driver support and other support for the implementation and access to their tech.

- The Right Hand

[Mansen]

Originally posted by FamridFR:

Upcoming This-Week Patch Notes:
- MASSIVE GPU Perf Gain for NVIDIA cards, about 10 Miliseconds per frame. Coming as soon as NVIDIA will let us get the new drivers out...

...which is perfectly normal for any game.

Originally posted by Broken Rebels-1nc0mp3t3nc3:

It's more that the devs choose the closed source Tech that stops AMD users from being able to take advantage of the extra pretty stuff being put into the game instead of using open source material for mutual benefits in some people's eyes

What closed tech is that exactly? PhysX used in the game is CPU based and has nothing to do with your GPU whatsoever.

[sirkaill]

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/ark-survival-evolved-enhanced-by-nvidia-gameworks this is why nvidia is getting love

[Famrid[FR]]

Who knows maybe dx12 will tip the balance with the asynchranous shader engine, for what i heard for now amd seems to have better performance than nvidia at dx12 benchmark, we will see.

[Jyandalf]

Yeah, I know I'd be buying nVIDIA if ever card of theirs I've tried didn't have cold looking colours on my monitors and if they were cheaper. Lol I already suffer the Australian tax, they don't have to make their mid range cards cost more than AMD's high range. My last card of theirs was a gtx750ti and it couldn't pump out 1080p,only 1080i- had the worst looking blues that I've seen since AGP cards, and gave me issues where 1080i was cutting edges off my monitor so that I couldn't see my task bar on the desktop. I paid 15 extra and swapped for an R9 270 which served me well out of the box until this game, where I bout a 290X the day after I bought this game

[oXYnary]

Say what you will about AMD righthand, they started magma, which has lead to the push for dx12 and vulcan. They support open standards like opencl and freesync vs physx and nsync. They also have had a hair physics before Nvdia. TressFX

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Phdb9QjDPm0

http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming

For the record, I use both.

Also I they have new tech that is going to allow VM machines direct access to their GPUs.