Something has to be done about metal buildings.

[Evir the Warrior]

Metal buildings are far too easy to make, tribes can hold up in caves and many other places behind multiple metal walls and it is far too difficult to root them out, they can attack, then retreat into their fortress and we have to spend quite a long time just to make enough explosives to get inside the base, let alone anything else that would be needed to be destroyed once inside.

Explosives need a big buff 25+ grenades to get inside of a base or 12+ C4 just to blow a small hole in the wall is way too much of a cost. Tribes can lay 1 or 2 metal foundations in an area and deny access to anyone else. Same with gates we have a couple of tribes on our server that have thrown up a couple of dinosaur gates at the entrance to a cave and it denied for anyone trying to get in unless they have the time and effort to build there.


I mean we threw up an entire metal structure that was as tall and wide as a bohemoth gate that is 5 foundations long in a couple of days compete with multiple floors and a safe inside with everything you would need to store dinosaurs and everything else to have a fully functional and powered base. yet to get inside that base and destroy large parts of it to set us back, it would take a couple thousand C4 or rocket or even several more thousand grenades.

[Myst?c]

i kinda want the ability to ride a giant mole that can just burrow under all it, would be fun

[Evir the Warrior]

Originally posted by blade.blaster56745:

i kinda want the ability to ride a giant mole that can just burrow under all it, would be fun

That would be an interesting solution, I dont know how well that would go over, how would you ride the mole while it is digging? You would have to be behind it I guess because you couldn't sit on top in the tunnel it is digging.

How about something like the Mutant Module from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the thing with the drill on the front.

[tom_gore]

Why would they need couple thousand C4? They only need to blow through a few walls/doors to get to your safe and 50 C4s to blow up your safe.

Blowing up the whole base would be a bigger task of course, but by robbing you of all your equipment, blueprints and stuff would still set you back quite a bit don't you think?

If you feel it's too safe on PvP servers maybe try Hardcore. Then just breaching in and killing the characters and taking their blueprints would be a major setback.

[AuGuR]

Most of your complaints are already being "fixed", if not already patched. I disagree metal building components are easily made. A metal structure shouldn't be easy to get into, should be costly in fact. You built your base in a couple of days, but want to take someone else's out in minutes? I question your motives as to why you would want this.

[Evir the Warrior]

Taking all your blueprints and stuff is a minor setback in my view, you respawn and 2 days later you have everything back but the blueprints and you can just farm up enough materials to go do the same to the other guy, the only way to set someone back significantly is to destroy their base. Then they will have to spend quite a bit longer getting everything back effectively from day 1. Larger tribes can accomplish a lot in a day, we threw up an entire stone fortress when stone went live in 8 hours with walls as high as the bohemoth gate and the wall ended up being well over 150 foundations long. including a large building in the middle. That alone is enough to deter many people from taking your entire base out so if you are raided you can rebuild quickly.

[Toonarmy]

Originally posted by Evir the Warrior:

Metal buildings are far too easy to make, tribes can hold up in caves and many other places behind multiple metal walls and it is far too difficult to root them out, they can attack, then retreat into their fortress and we have to spend quite a long time just to make enough explosives to get inside the base, let alone anything else that would be needed to be destroyed once inside.

Explosives need a big buff 25+ grenades to get inside of a base or 12+ C4 just to blow a small hole in the wall is way too much of a cost. Tribes can lay 1 or 2 metal foundations in an area and deny access to anyone else. Same with gates we have a couple of tribes on our server that have thrown up a couple of dinosaur gates at the entrance to a cave and it denied for anyone trying to get in unless they have the time and effort to build there.


I mean we threw up an entire metal structure that was as tall and wide as a bohemoth gate that is 5 foundations long in a couple of days compete with multiple floors and a safe inside with everything you would need to store dinosaurs and everything else to have a fully functional and powered base. yet to get inside that base and destroy large parts of it to set us back, it would take a couple thousand C4 or rocket or even several more thousand grenades.

Your kidding right? 80 metal bars for one foundation is bloody stupid , its like the ammo, 12 gunpowder and 2 ingots for 1 bullet, irl 1 ingot would make about 200 bullet casings . It costs far too much for everything in this game and dont even get me started on the paste, 2 chitin is fine but 8 stone , 2 of each is more realistic. This is all easy peasy when theres a clan of 10 of you farming 18 hours a day but if your alone or actually go to work and have limited playtime its well out of order. Not everyone wants to be in a clan or can be bothered with the hassle that it can entail.

[Evir the Warrior]

Originally posted by AuGuR:

Most of your complaints are already being "fixed", if not already patched. I disagree metal building components are easily made. A metal structure shouldn't be easy to get into, should be costly in fact. You built your base in a couple of days, but want to take someone else's out in minutes? I question your motives as to why you would want this.

Have you ever tried breaking into a cave that has 5 or more metal doors, where they then have their own metal base inside? It takes 25ish grenades or 9 C4 just to through 1 door.

If you compartmentalize your base, it is absurd to get inside and do anything to it, and it takes very little time to farm the metal and cement paste to do it.

Then you say "want to take someone else's out in minutes" It takes longer to farm up the materials to build the exploives than it takes for them to build the base, it takes 25 cement paste to make 1 C4 let alone every thing else, it takes 15 to make a metal foundation. and you need 12 C4 to destroy a foundation.

the material cost alone is 300 cement paste vs 15. and that doesnt even include all the 300 crystal, 180 pearls, 240 obsidian, 60 metal ingots(vs 50 for the foundation) 900 gunpowder, 600 fiber and 60 hides.

How is that in any way balanced? All that vs 50 ingots and 15 cement paste...

[Evir the Warrior]

Originally posted by doomdark64:

Your kidding right? 80 metal bars for one foundation is bloody stupid , its like the ammo, 12 gunpowder and 2 ingots for 1 bullet, irl 1 ingot would make about 200 bullet casings . It costs far too much for everything in this game and dont even get me started on the paste, 2 chitin is fine but 8 stone , 2 of each is more realistic. This is all easy peasy when theres a clan of 10 of you farming 18 hours a day but if your alone or actually go to work and have limited playtime its well out of order. Not everyone wants to be in a clan or can be bothered with the hassle that it can entail.

80 metal bars can be farmed up in less than 30 minutes it takes longer to smelt it than it does to farm it. It is a joke compared to 1 C4.

[Toonarmy]

Originally posted by Evir the Warrior:

Originally posted by AuGuR:

Most of your complaints are already being "fixed", if not already patched. I disagree metal building components are easily made. A metal structure shouldn't be easy to get into, should be costly in fact. You built your base in a couple of days, but want to take someone else's out in minutes? I question your motives as to why you would want this.

Have you ever tried breaking into a cave that has 5 or more metal doors, where they then have their own metal base inside? It takes 25ish grenades or 9 C4 just to through 1 door.

If you compartmentalize your base, it is absurd to get inside and do anything to it, and it takes very little time to farm the metal and cement paste to do it.

Then you say "want to take someone else's out in minutes" It takes longer to farm up the materials to build the exploives than it takes for them to build the base, it takes 25 cement paste to make 1 C4 let alone every thing else, it takes 15 to make a metal foundation. and you need 12 C4 to destroy a foundation.

the material cost alone is 300 cement paste vs 15. and that doesnt even include all the 300 crystal, 180 pearls, 240 obsidian, 60 metal ingots(vs 50 for the foundation) 900 gunpowder, 600 fiber and 60 hides.

How is that in any way balanced? All that vs 50 ingots and 15 cement paste...

so dont make the building cost more make the c4 and weapons cost less , i already stated some people dont have the 18 hours a day to farm like you and your 10 clan mates do , c4 and bullets cost WAY to many materials to make for what they actually are. This will make it so even the newish dudes that join the server have a chance against the more established newbie bashers that are on every server :).

[Evir the Warrior]

Originally posted by doomdark64:

so dont make the building cost more make the c4 and weapons cost less , i already stated some people dont have the 18 hours a day to farm like you and your 10 clan mates do , c4 and bullets cost WAY to many materials to make for what they actually are. This will make it so even the newish dudes that join the server have a chance against the more established newbie bashers that are on every server :).

that would be fine, I wouldnt mind them lowering the cost of explosives, dont get me started on "newbies" thinking this is mindcraft and they can build massive wooden or even THATCH houses on PVP servers and not have the wrecked by a T Rex in less than 5 mintues. Wood is not for permanent structures it is to get you by until you can make stone, then metal. These idiots whine for hours about how their wooden mansion was completely destroyed. As if I care how long it took them to make it. Especially if they have it full of materials we could use.

[tom_gore]

If it would be less time consuming to farm the materials to destroy a base than to build one, why would anyone ever bother building anything at all?

[AuGuR]

For an actual metal (iron) structure, a frag grenade won't do jack to the structure. C4 on the other hand will.

The balance comes from the resistances applied to the metal (and stone) structures to counter the incessant PvO raiding that has people upset on PvP servers. Hence it takes a lot more now to take out a structure section.

For some tribes, typically the small ones, engineering a metal structure is a long process, assuming they ever reach that level.

The blocking of caves is being worked on, in that the devs intend to no allow building in and/or near a cave enterance. If a tribe is so inclinded to build several structures that deny access to others, you have 2 choices. 1. Find another cave to go into, 2. Report the players of the tribe for doing so.

As much as it sucks when someone blocks off a cave, it'd be worse should they buff explosives to make it easier to destroy structures as a whole.

[Evir the Warrior]

Originally posted by tom_gore:

If it would be less time consuming to farm the materials to destroy a base than to build one, why would anyone ever bother building anything at all?

It takes way longer to make materials to destroy a base, I would understand if it took 3 times longer but it is 15-20 times longer.

[Evir the Warrior]

Originally posted by AuGuR:

For an actual metal (iron) structure, a frag grenade won't do jack to the structure. C4 on the other hand will.

The balance comes from the resistances applied to the metal (and stone) structures to counter the incessant PvO raiding that has people upset on PvP servers. Hence it takes a lot more now to take out a structure section.

For some tribes, typically the small ones, engineering a metal structure is a long process, assuming they ever reach that level.

The blocking of caves is being worked on, in that the devs intend to no allow building in and/or near a cave enterance. If a tribe is so inclinded to build several structures that deny access to others, you have 2 choices. 1. Find another cave to go into, 2. Report the players of the tribe for doing so.

As much as it sucks when someone blocks off a cave, it'd be worse should they buff explosives to make it easier to destroy structures as a whole.

As I see it stone is balanced pretty well right now, it takes 3-4 grenades and 2 C4 to blow a hole in a door, it takes a few more to destroy a foundation, that isnt too bad, but metal needs a serious nerf.

[tom_gore]

As said before, making the explosives cheaper or metal structures weaker would just increase the ire of the PvP players getting their bases blown up while they're offline. You might be in a large tribe with near 24/7 coverage, but most of us are not.

As long as the autoturrets and pets are useless in base defense, they cannot really shift the balance towards easier destruction. If they did, I'm pretty sure they would quickly lose a large portion of their PvP playerbase.