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Splosions 2015 年 7 月 5 日 下午 5:02
Any way to tame a mammoth with high effectiveness?
Knocked out a lvl 5 mammoth and started with 80% effectiveness. He is only 1/4 tamed and his effectiveness is down to 40% only feeding him narcotic and mejo berries.
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Hades 2015 年 7 月 5 日 下午 7:14 
Try to help people out... *sigh* whatever man do what you think.,
FedTonyHD 2015 年 7 月 5 日 下午 7:16 
引用自 Splosions
so started at 80% ended at 25%, nothing I could have done better. BS

Ok thats pretty strange. Normally i would rather believe that something had hit the mammoth in his sleeping state. Because sure, the taming effectivness of mamoths is among the worst of the herbivores (along with a foodmeter maxed bronto) but such a drastic drop lets me believe that it took damage of some kind while getting tamed.

Did other guys roam around your taming place? maybe even riding rex/spino? the do damage if the walk, and if they got near to your mammoth they might have screwed up your taming.

I had it once that a mate had a rex on follow. And he trampled over a bronto we were taming. Took a hit about 30% or so on taming effectivness. (it happened long ago, so i might be a bit off here)
FedTonyHD 2015 年 7 月 5 日 下午 7:18 
引用自 Storm
Try to help people out... *sigh* whatever man do what you think.,

Hey no offense! i didn't mean to flame you or so. I just think that you missed something. Based on the information i found so far and on the tests i did myself i just can't confirm your statement.
DarkDayz86 2015 年 7 月 5 日 下午 7:27 
Storm actually right lol...
we've tammed 3 mammoths now at 80% .
You need to starve them. make sure they've are 100% health when you knock them out. Then feed them about 1.5k rock-carrots(herb equivalent of prime meat). Starve for 2-3 hrs and then feed it. Pretty much instantly tames. Problems only start when you're trying to tame super High level mammoths. lvl40+ because they don't insta tame. Pretty much feed them only crop based food until and you'll get high TE. Mejo's just wont do it.
Arsenic_Touch 2015 年 7 月 5 日 下午 7:36 
No he isn't and the tier 2 food is actually worse for dinosaurs compared to mejoberries.
DarkDayz86 2015 年 7 月 5 日 下午 7:54 
Do you have any proof? because thats what we've done and we haven't had a final TE drop below 75%. Lvl 58 Tamed with +15lvls @83% when he tammed. Lvl 60 tamed at +12 @75%
that is with minimum 2.2k Saveroot and Carrots. Once you start mixing berries in you loose TE. Its got to be 100% tier 2 food.
Faya AOP 2015 年 7 月 5 日 下午 8:00 
引用自 DarkDayz
Do you have any proof? because thats what we've done and we haven't had a final TE drop below 75%. Lvl 58 Tamed with +15lvls @83% when he tammed. Lvl 60 tamed at +12 @75%
that is with minimum 2.2k Saveroot and Carrots. Once you start mixing berries in you loose TE. Its got to be 100% tier 2 food.
Interesting, i will test that.
DebaucheryMeister 2015 年 7 月 5 日 下午 8:39 
Storm and Darkdayz
The starvation method has been proven ineffective for both time and effectiveness by multiple wiki and reddit users and I have done tests myself.
The effectiveness drops everytime it eats meaning your method just drops it a bunch at once
plus they will eat the same amount of food either way
you just have the risk of killing the pet of starvation
DarkDayz86 2015 年 7 月 5 日 下午 9:17 
I've seen those "examples" the problem is everyone just uses tier 1 food. Then yells that it doesn't work, everyone's open to their opinion but our results don't lie. we're pretty much been able to keep high TE's on everyone of our recent pets. You use saveroot for dinos/ rackarrot for mammals and prime jerky for carnos.
Just as an example: We tame Sabers @ level 60 with +15 levels @90%TE
Normal meat is 10 food/ prime is 20/ cooked prime is 35/ prime jerky is 40.
If you starve them to 100 food. then feed them they will constantly eat without stopping.(therefore reduces taming time) there is also a boost. When we drop the prime jerky onto it goes from 0 tame to about 70% tamed (food lvl dependent) so you end up with something like 98% -8~10% for the food consumption tame. Then the time tame usually drops about another 3-5 %.
Its also dependent on the raw stat from the animal itself. However we've done multiple tames using this method and it works every time. Its incredibly resource intensive, but if you want high TE% then that's the way you do it. takes 50 minutes to tame a lvl raptor or saber using this method.

But up to you if you don't believe it then go about doing it your own way. We're happily doing it our way and profiting.
DebaucheryMeister 2015 年 7 月 5 日 下午 9:32 
引用自 DarkDayz
I've seen those "examples" the problem is everyone just uses tier 1 food. Then yells that it doesn't work, everyone's open to their opinion but our results don't lie. we're pretty much been able to keep high TE's on everyone of our recent pets. You use saveroot for dinos/ rackarrot for mammals and prime jerky for carnos.
Just as an example: We tame Sabers @ level 60 with +15 levels @90%TE
Normal meat is 10 food/ prime is 20/ cooked prime is 35/ prime jerky is 40.
If you starve them to 100 food. then feed them they will constantly eat without stopping.(therefore reduces taming time) there is also a boost. When we drop the prime jerky onto it goes from 0 tame to about 70% tamed (food lvl dependent) so you end up with something like 98% -8~10% for the food consumption tame. Then the time tame usually drops about another 3-5 %.
Its also dependent on the raw stat from the animal itself. However we've done multiple tames using this method and it works every time. Its incredibly resource intensive, but if you want high TE% then that's the way you do it. takes 50 minutes to tame a lvl raptor or saber using this method.

But up to you if you don't believe it then go about doing it your own way. We're happily doing it our way and profiting.
the only reason it is faster is you are using prime not that you are starving it
http://ark.gamepedia.com/Taming
scroll down to outdated taming method
you will see you are wrong
DarkDayz86 2015 年 7 月 5 日 下午 10:08 
lol...
you still don't get it do you...

That wiki is full of out of dated info.
example:
"Taming Effectiveness Taming with Higher Taming Affinity now increases base level of dino up to 50% if 100% effectiveness, improving its base statistics (previously wasn't doing much, was only generally increasing their damage). It does not have any effect on the taming speed of the dinosaur. The initial taming effectiveness is the percentage of health that the dino has when it becomes unconscious. Taming effectiveness decays every time the dinosaur eats (but NOT when the animal is fed a narcotic). The rate of decay can be slowed by feeding the dinosaur its favorite food. Speeding up the taming process by using Prime Meat for Carnivores or the species' preferred berry for Herbivores results in a higher Taming Effectiveness, because the Creature has to eat less times."

Note the preferred berry comment.
What i'm saying is that it isn't based on a method but math. The surge bypasses the timer, if you know what you're doing you can manipulate that to your advantage.
The simple fact is if you want higher taming efficiency then you need it to tame faster eat less providing that your base TE is high (ie full health). Yes you there's a fixed timer between the animals eating periods, the trick is to not get to that stage.

It would also help if all of these so called de-bunked theories actually took into account every aspect of the game. Plus that wiki's taming method has been there since the first week...

And we've tried most if not all of those methods, they barely even get you past 50% TE when you don't starve them. Instead of actually just refereing to someone outdated document maybe try reading what i've actually written. If you dont think that it works then by all means thats your opinion. The OP asked how to get it higher, I've stated how my tribe does it.

If you dont think it works by all means go about doing it your own way. No point leading a horse to water if it doesn't want to drink.
RaptorFactor 2015 年 7 月 5 日 下午 10:08 
引用自 Storm
Try to help people out... *sigh* whatever man do what you think.,

It's great that you're trying to help, but as others have already pointed out you're simply wrong in this case. The starvation myth was perpetuated a lot early on but has been repeatedly disproved since then.

One example: https://www.reddit.com/r/playark/comments/396twu/dino_science_does_starving_a_dino_make_it_tame/
最後修改者:RaptorFactor; 2015 年 7 月 5 日 下午 10:09
FedTonyHD 2015 年 7 月 6 日 上午 11:15 
ok i tried out some T2 Food. Starved the poor Mammoth (lv 87) down to 50 (wich took ages) and then bumped all in. I am pretty sure that Mejos > than T2 Food. I lost about 25% through the tame on Eff. And if i remember right last one (lv 90) had only lost about 15% Eff.

I give you a link from Reddit. There is a datamined table wich says that Mejos are 2X better than T2 Food (doesnt matter if rockcarrot or Longrass etc...

https://www.reddit.com/r/playark/comments/3aeru9/a_handy_dino_taming_cheatsheet/

You can see that:

Mejo = 30 Food / 30 Progress
Azul/Amar/Tinto = 20 Food / 20 Progress
T2 Food (Rockcarrot, = 15 Food / 15 Progress

Wich means that every Herbivore has to eat way less with Mejo Berries wich doesn't drop your Eff that often too.

And if i remember right, the dev's already confirmed that they haven't had the time yet to give every Dino specific diets. So they did make Mejo the all herbivores favourite berry.
最後修改者:FedTonyHD; 2015 年 7 月 6 日 上午 11:15
Splosions 2015 年 7 月 6 日 上午 11:26 
引用自 antharyus
ok i tried out some T2 Food. Starved the poor Mammoth (lv 87) down to 50 (wich took ages) and then bumped all in. I am pretty sure that Mejos > than T2 Food. I lost about 25% through the tame on Eff. And if i remember right last one (lv 90) had only lost about 15% Eff.

I give you a link from Reddit. There is a datamined table wich says that Mejos are 2X better than T2 Food (doesnt matter if rockcarrot or Longrass etc...

https://www.reddit.com/r/playark/comments/3aeru9/a_handy_dino_taming_cheatsheet/

You can see that:

Mejo = 30 Food / 30 Progress
Azul/Amar/Tinto = 20 Food / 20 Progress
T2 Food (Rockcarrot, = 15 Food / 15 Progress

Wich means that every Herbivore has to eat way less with Mejo Berries wich doesn't drop your Eff that often too.

And if i remember right, the dev's already confirmed that they haven't had the time yet to give every Dino specific diets. So they did make Mejo the all herbivores favourite berry.


So then why did my mammoth start at 80% and end at 25%

He was only lvl 5. is there some penalty for force feeding narcotics?
BigDally 2015 年 7 月 6 日 上午 11:28 
引用自 Splosions
Knocked out a lvl 5 mammoth and started with 80% effectiveness. He is only 1/4 tamed and his effectiveness is down to 40% only feeding him narcotic and mejo berries.
Mejoberries. I tamed one out around 50% with those. Also, it's best to tranq with a scorp for higher initial effectiveness. If you don't have a scorp, avoid head shots (shoot in leg or side).
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