I finally understand why people are raging about getting raided

[Beezy]

So it finally happened to me, the server I play on is fairly low population but some kids on it dont have a job or school during the summer so naturally they have progressed in the game further then me and my pal who with 2 jobs the both of us still managed to put in over 160 hours and have lost plenty of sleep playing this great game.

We have had so much fun on this game and have been really friendly with everyone on the server and we even setup in a zone called "The Hidden Lake" with a few friendly neighbors. We all grouped up and would look out for each other and watch over each others bases, anyways me and my buddy managed to tame our first TREX and saddle him up, we had: 2 Raptors, 2 Sabers, 1 Ankylo, 1 Stego, 1 Mammoth, 2 Carnos, 2 Sarcos and 1 TREX.

I was out in about taming another Sarco for us to use to get oil from the ocean floor when I noticed all our dinosaurs being killed by a level 50 something, I knew we were getting raided so I killed the sarco for meat and jumped on the rex and headed to the hidden lake, upon arrival I saw 4 scrub ass virgin kids demolishing everything.... they had 1 trex, 1spino, 1 saber and 1 argentavis and killed not only all our animals but all of our neighbors aswell, they had a stockpile of animals.

They killed everything and destroyed the entire houses.... I've never been so mad / dissappointed in a video game since I was kid playing online with other kids and to make matters worse they sat in chat talking ♥♥♥♥ about it all night. I knew we would be raided at some point, but I never imagined they would do this:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=469380954

Our house was on the cliff on the left, and all of our dinosaurs were in the fences, our neighbors on the right, this entire zone was cleared in less then 5 minutes by 2 dinosaurs, 1 TREX and 1 Spino.

The Devs have done a great job on this game and I'm still really in love with it, I do like PVP and being able to raid but taming takes hours, building a home takes hours, these things need to be considered... there is no way a TREX and Spino should have been able to kill every single one of our dinosaurs, 11 dinosaurs plus my neighbors 10+ and a bronto. Maybe boost dinosaurs when players are offline or away to make them better at defending themselves so players think twice about raiding a base with a bunch of dinosaurs.

As lame as it sounds, dinosaurs shouldnt be used to raid homes, they should have to blow open the doors or something, I dont have the answer and I'm hoping someone else does, this was a major blow and a major set back to our progression to the point where today is the first day since Ark has came out me and my buddy havent wanted to login to the server to play, and that's ashame.

I know this doesnt happen on PVE servers and I know it's our fault for being on a PVP server but we think PVE will get boring once you reach max level and have everything, and we did plan on raiding but there should be limits on the amount of damage we can do based on how long it takes to build up / tame.

Sorry for the long post, just needed to get this off my chest.... </3 ark

[Toomadtoplay]

there is a 3 letter answer to your problem

[Beezy]

The_Lion_Turtle eredeti hozzászólása:

cR1p eredeti hozzászólása:

upon arrival I saw 4 scrub ♥♥♥ virgin kids demolishing everything....

The_Lion_Turtle eredeti hozzászólása:

I think my favorite thing about gaming is that whenever someone beats someone else at something, espeially when it's done legitimately without cheating or glitching, the ones who beat them are isntantly either children, noobs/scrubs/etc, or virgins. Way to be the adult you claim to be.

That is your favorite thing about gaming? You should reevaluate your reasons for playing games. Obviously these 4 kids are children, noob/scrub virgins and it became quite clear once they started trash talking in chat and any adult in the server (or anyone with a higher level of education) would agree. Not to mention that they are on literally all day everyday.

cR1p eredeti hozzászólása:

As lame as it sounds, dinosaurs shouldnt be used to raid homes, they should have to blow open the doors or something, I dont have the answer and I'm hoping someone else does

As for this, that is what Metal is for. Dinos do almost nothing to metal and explosive are almost exlusively required to break into a metal made base.

It does suck that you lost your stuff but that is the nature of the game when playing PVP. I also recommened finding a server with good moderators or at least a nicer but still PVP focused community of players.

The nature of the game is not demolishing everything people have built, it's PVP, PVP = Player Vs Player, I would be completely fine with them killing me and taking my stuff, I would even be OKAY with them killing the dinosaurs (pretty upsetting, but it's happened already in the first area we settled) but where it becomes greifing is when they demolished everything in my base, no storageboxes had pin codes, they could have emptied the place and left, instead they knocked down a 4 story building full of ♥♥♥♥ that took hours to gather and craft and left us with nothing, then continued on bragging about it in chat saying they are bored what next.

Sneakier eredeti hozzászólása:

Your a sore loser, you went to a pvp server to eventualy raid, u got raided cuz ur base was weak (dino farm in pvp is asking for it).
Next time make a small metal base that can hold a couple big dinos...

Not a sore loser at all, as I've said before I'm fine with being killed by other players and yes I imagine I would have raided in the future (me raiding is knocking in the door and looting the storage boxes, not leveling a players house, even if it's a thatch hut.) My base had spikes around the outsides, and the first two levels were stone walls, we were working on metal bases but were having issues getting the chitine required to make cementing paste. They need to make metal mats easier to get and it would eliminate most of the issues.

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Zim Zim Zala Bim eredeti hozzászólása:

Now you casuals are whining about being online and raided? When does it end?

LMAO no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kidding, welcome to PVP buddy.

As others have mentioned, that is not PVP, it is childish ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I've put my time in on Rust and Reign Of Kings, never ran into scum that would demolish a house, only a few walls to get inside. Are you apart of the scum? you sound like it.

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jacobellinger eredeti hozzászólása:

cant raid in pve.
People dont mind raiding (had op been complaining about raiding I would probably say go play pve) but op is complaing about nmeedlessly destroying whole villages for the lolz.

That's what pvp is. You don't need a reason. Stupid pony ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Sorry conehead, that is not PVP. It is as others have suggested in this thread greifing. Kill me, kill my dinosaurs, leave my house standing. Your a scumbag, leave my thread.

Crumplecorn eredeti hozzászólása:

Wow, so we've gone from whining about being raided while offline to whining about being raided while online.

And not only that, OP admits he was going to raid too, but cries a river if someone does it to him.

And says he "finally understands" why people hate it; I guess he thought raiding was fine until it happened to him.

Please, ♥♥♥♥ off to any game but this one.

Read above and get knowledge before your next reply. We wanted to raid, not demolish someones home, there's a difference and if you cant see it get your eyes checked. As far as ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ off to any game but this one, do you not want this game to succeed? because with that piss poor mentality it sounds like you want the game full of scum like yourself and it wont laste a month when it gets released to the bigger picture (consoles, the people who dont have much time to play or cant afford a decent gaming pc)

This thread is for ideas on how to improve the game coming from someone who enjoys this game very much and knows in order for it to survive it needs to change PVP aspects. Theres a reason your able to quickly build a solid shelter in Rust.

WastingSanity eredeti hozzászólása:

The funny thing is that everyone (the ones that are agreeing with him) assumes that the OP was the victim or his tribe was. Not once have I seen one of these threads where people questioned the motivation of the tribe that raids them. What if a member of the OPs tribe attacked the other tribe or a member of that tribe? What if this was their response for being attacked?

Obviously you didnt take your time to read the first post which I already stated: Me and my bud 1+1 = 2.

and our neighbors had a bunch of people but they never wondered far from the area and are super nice to anyone that comes around.

ERgamer eredeti hozzászólása:

Sorry for your loss. Next time, instead of getting 11 dinos and wooden base get 3 dinos and a stone base. Dinos can't touch it. The rest of the stone tier is coming this week as stated by the patches. GL

The first 2 levels of the home were stone, didnt stop them.

[Lamp]

Sinn_SGE eredeti hozzászólása:

--- It's fully enjoyable and they're gonna add in tribe wars so will keep it all entertaining and give something to do endgame too.---
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Tribe wars would be fantastic. Two tribe leaders can declare mutual war on each other and the tribes could damage each others bases without getting others caught up in the war. Everybody wins this way. You dont want war, then you dont have it. They couldn't complain about PvO either since they declared war.

[Jaeden]

Sound like part of your problem is how broken mounted dinos are vs non-mounted dinos, We had 2 anks take out 2 lv50+ spinos, 1 45 rex, 2 scorps 50+ 2 trikes 40+, 2 sabers 40+, 2 raptors 50+, bronto lv50 and a 40+ stego.

Once someone mounts something it becomes a god in comparison to one that is simply defending itself with no rider.

[TheRightHand]

We've got things in store for this. I know it's not much consolation now, but I want you to know not to give up hope, we've heard people in regards to base raiding, and we have some stuff in mind for the near-ish future :)

- The Right Hand.

[dylan]

Errr... How did you even last as long as you did lol. That is a very pretty location (also seen in the beginning of the game trailer when the T-Rex smashes through the gate) and thus sought after. I don't even see a single spike, which means you were living the high life and didn't know wtf you were even dealing with.

Be happy it didn't happen sooner, or perhaps it should have, cus you wouldn't have lost as much...

[Beezy]

Thank you to all who have actually offered guidance, and real help and know this is a major problem in the game. PVP Server or not, it is simply not PVP. It is easy to see there are some really good people in this thread and in this community that want this game to do good, and there a few on every page who dont understand or see the big picture. Hopefully the devs of this masterpiece in work will figure something out and move onto a great release for consoles in the future.

As far as everyone saying build metal etc... We were working on it, was just 2 of us in between jobs, it's clear to see we dont need that many animals, we thought they would serve as better protection (the honest truth) but they wound up doing nothing. We thought having the first two levels completely stone would hold up, for whatever reason it did not.

We also had spikes on the roof and around the fence on the outside. Yes I was online but by the time I got there it was too late, a level 12 TREX with me wieldiing a pike vs a level 50 TREX and Spino, Saber and Argentavis wouldnt have ended well so I had to stay out of seight and watch them destroy everything to keep our last and newest addition to our tribe alive.

[Beezy]

TheRightHand eredeti hozzászólása:

We've got things in store for this. I know it's not much consolation now, but I want you to know not to give up hope, we've heard people in regards to base raiding, and we have some stuff in mind for the near-ish future :)

- The Right Hand.

Sir, that's all the consolation I needed. You just made my weekend a hell of a lot better and for that I thank you.

<3 ARK

[Bluxwave]

TheRightHand eredeti hozzászólása:

We've got things in store for this. I know it's not much consolation now, but I want you to know not to give up hope, we've heard people in regards to base raiding, and we have some stuff in mind for the near-ish future :)

- The Right Hand.

thats great! ... im at a loss now with my base would be good if it was semi-impenatrable so the pvp could take place away from the house...

dont want to spend 8 hours building another base atm

[Piderman]

cR1p eredeti hozzászólása:

PVP Server or not, it is simply not PVP.

^This. Raiding offline Players, constantly harrassing new Guys on the Beach and all this crap... those People forgot or didnt even ever know what PvP is originally meant to be.

[|9th| Tycho]

Cool spot when you want to not be attacked by other players... but hard to defend against. I'd recommend not building your base inside of a place that just requires raiders to come down the cliff walls.

[Willy Wonka Strangler]

If you had stone walls I dont get how the dinos broke them [a trex hitting mine did 0 damage, not sure if intended but it def didn't break the wall/couldn't?] so did you have them on wood foundations?

Rushing Stone walls+metal spikes is a pretty decent defense, if you want a good one you should block all 3 entrances to that hidden valley+ put spikes/walls all the way around the top [you can get up there and jump in, it isn't a big enough fall to kill any dino above 450 hp] with a 2 layer wall on top, prefer. stone the only people that could get in are ones that fly, or jump over from a larger dino meaning they cant bring that larger dino with them.Then you could proceed to upgrade metal gates+walls at the entrances first, this guarantees no big dinos get in without explosives [this deters most would be raiders with only a trex/spino/carno] With 1-2 neighbors if you each focus on an entrance it shouldn't be all that hard. The largest part would be getting a 3 story wall+the metal gate Then slowly upgrade the stone wall on top of the valley to 3stories and then focus metal on your main bases. This stop people from just shooting your dinos from ontop of the valley as well with tranqs.

[Zera_Fox]

Zim Zim Zala Bim eredeti hozzászólása:

Now you casuals are whining about being online and raided? When does it end?

Why is it that everyone has to resort to "casuals" when referring to anyone who vents or rages about anything?
Just because some of us don't have endless hours to play a game, because all we do is sit on our asses and play that game, maybe stuff our faces with pizza and mountain dew, doesn't make anyone less of a "hardcore" player than anyone else.
Not everyone has all the time in the world to play something, many of us actually work and do ♥♥♥♥ WE HAVE TO DO with our lives. I spend my every waking moment on this game, minus when I HAVE to sleep and HAVE to work, but because I or someone else doesn't play this game during that time, makes us less Hardcore players?

Grow up and stop resorting to "casuals" as an insult. If hours is spent into something, regardless of how long those hours spanned in real days, it matters.
Just because it's not all done in 1 day, because we DONT HAVE THAT TIME like some of you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who want to look down on the rest of us, makes us any less of a player than you or anyone else.

Get off your high-horse and thinking you're some badass, you only make yourself sound/look like someone who sits around in mom's basement with pizzabox forts until mom comes and cleans them up for you...

cR1p eredeti hozzászólása:

Alpscantoo eredeti hozzászólása:

I know that area actually, A youtuber i watch built there. sorry for your loss

Thanks, it's a great little area, I loved it we had such a nice view over the lake and an awesome base, I wish I had before pictures of it now looking back because I dont think we will ever be able to build it the same way again.

Thanks, it's a great little area, I loved it we had such a nice view over the lake and an awesome base, I wish I had before pictures of it now looking back because I dont think we will ever be able to build it the same way again. [/quote]
This is one of the reasons I don't enjoy PvP, simply because hours of work can be lost within mere minutes and most of the time you don't even notice.
What's worse, is the people who do this kind of thing, hold themselves in such high regard and you as nothing more than some piece of ♥♥♥♥ on the sidewalk.. Simply because they were able to take advantage of you in some way.
And god-forbid should you get upset in any way, they'll hold that against you. Because "that would never happen to me" is stuck in their heads, because their "hardcore gamers" and anyone less is worthless as far as they are concerned...

PvP is full of stuck-up pricks, in many places you go, regardless of the game. They've got themselves on a pedestal and no one can touch them. Until it eventually happens to them, then they ♥♥♥♥♥ and whine and complain and they get the other end of the stick themselves.
When does the cycle end?

I'm sorry for your loss, and I do believe your right that between that many Dinos you and your neighbors had, that their Dinos and themselves should've suffered more losses than they had raiding to that extent.
That sounds like an unbalanced PvP situation if you ask me. Then again, there are no levels listed besides a "50" if I recall, which is a crazy level (I have a 45 Raptor myself and he's pretty badass, I see what he can do. o.o) but to take on that many other Dinos as well as any other precautions you had taken to protect yourselves.... That's just too much.

[Beezy]

Zackro eredeti hozzászólása:

If you had stone walls I dont get how the dinos broke them [a trex hitting mine did 0 damage, not sure if intended but it def didn't break the wall/couldn't?] so did you have them on wood foundations?

Rushing Stone walls+metal spikes is a pretty decent defense, if you want a good one you should block all 3 entrances to that hidden valley+ put spikes/walls all the way around the top [you can get up there and jump in, it isn't a big enough fall to kill any dino above 450 hp] with a 2 layer wall on top, prefer. stone the only people that could get in are ones that fly, or jump over from a larger dino meaning they cant bring that larger dino with them.Then you could proceed to upgrade metal gates+walls at the entrances first, this guarantees no big dinos get in without explosives [this deters most would be raiders with only a trex/spino/carno] With 1-2 neighbors if you each focus on an entrance it shouldn't be all that hard. The largest part would be getting a 3 story wall+the metal gate Then slowly upgrade the stone wall on top of the valley to 3stories and then focus metal on your main bases. This stop people from just shooting your dinos from ontop of the valley as well with tranqs. [/quote]

This is a great idea, and yes they were placed on wooden foundations unfortunately :( we had planned on putting metal gates up at each entrance and were working on gathering the metal but didnt have time to get it done.

[Drakkiel]

The game itself (other than PvE) is PvPvE not PvP, ppl are getting to set on the first three letters and just killing each other. The pvp aspect is there to add a sense of realism to the game, and yes i know theres dinosaurs so plz dont comment with how its not real. I mean realism in the fact that its a choice to kill/attack someone. The problem with all games like this is the choice is there but there is no consequence.

Now I'm not complaining about the pvp aspect itself, if someone wants to come along and gank me...thats their choice. If someone wishes to break into my base and steal, thats their choice as well. I do get frustrated with the sociopaths that kill all dinos they can and destroy entire bases, with the only reason being that they are sociopathic/psycopathic, but again thats kind of their choice, less so because of their mental issues.

The devs themselves have said in interviews that they were very surprised by the fact that ppl were concentrating so hard on the pvp and not trying to build a stable group and taking on the game content itself like the bosses. Granted I dont honestly know how hard this is because I have yet to get to that point in any official server before some hacker/cheater comes through with a godmode argentavis and destroys half the server just for fun. (and im not just whining, i have screenshots and video of it that show proof that its unkillable and have sent this in)

In the end I have high hopes for this game but I do not want it to become all PvE or anything like that. I hope that in time they make taming dinos and building bases/homes a worthwhile investment with at least some hope to keep them.

The best advice I can give for this type of game is just never stop playing. Even if you get hassled and griefed and murdered everytime. Eventually the ppl doing it will get bored and you can have fun, as they will probably turn to something else