Alpha predators are breaking the game

[Gann]

First I know that game is in EA and not everything seems to work
Second I am playing on singleplayer world so i cant call for help
And third i want to tell you a story. That was a peaceful day that I was enjoying hunting big guys, after killing T-rex I was surprised by alpha raptor and killed in 2 hits.I meet that creatures before but that was forever ago so I was much stronger and have much more strong friends so I take them on little hunting for this one that was like
-36 lvl Carno
-2* 30up lvl mate busted dilops
-2* other frespawns
-me as 34 lvl player with crossbow

As you can guess I lost everyone (say bye to 4up h taming) I was ready for this but what really piss me off was like that raptor give no fu** about everything, he took like 15 hits form every in my team and 34 arrows(including 14 tranq) from me and I do not even see that blood texture saing that he is heavily wounded Just wondering if stats on alpha predators looks like 9999*basic stats I saw couple nerfs on predators but not of them really nerfs them (decreased aggro rane) that was only 10 lvl raptor I can puch to death 20 lvl ones with bare hand and no armour and get out victorious. Every place that they resp is like out of comission forever if they resp near bace this is like wipe on singleplayer world I tryed many things including building traps and glithing out theirs AI every thime they just fly around with sonic speed making all of the trial failures I am refusing to believe that nerfing the numbers on them is to hard to do.Well power leveling was not to hard to nerf............Please just DO IT ! This is realy pathetic to not make characters around comfort of gameplay and stratigic thinking but instead "what will be if I meet alpha ?"

[Rauvoir]

Alphas can be tweaked and tuned through the server config files, not the ingame interface (would be nice to have in an advanced settings section), and can be eliminated from the island with a simple "destroyall" command for each Alpha type.

Alpha predators are not the same as normal predators. They have very high stats, a level 1 Alpha Raptor is pretty close to a level 80~90 trained Raptor. No wild raptors would come close to that kind of strength.

Defeating Alphas in Singleplayer is entirely doable, but you'll need to tame and train a dino properly to take it on.

Flyers make things incredibly easy against larger Alphas like Carnos and Rexes because you can hit their vulnerable backsides, Raptors are a bit tricky, but you can play hit-and-run against them easily. I'm taking down pretty much every Alpha in my SP game with a single lv 50 Argent (now level 90 after all that Alpha hunting).

If you don't have access to flyers, get a Trike or a Turtle and boost only their HP. If you get a Turtle, train their HP up to about 10k or more, and give them a mate boost, they can take down Alpha Raptors with little effort and give you time to get your stone arrows and bows crafted to help out. They may need a lot of time to recover after the fight though.

You can always match their strength by getting 3~4 high-powered Rexes/Spinos, but that's not quite feasible in the early game.

Alphas in SP aren't as bad as they are in multiplayer. At least they obey the laws on the island and don't seem to do some of the truly terrible things people have experienced in multiplayer, like walking through 4, 5, even 10 tile high walls and killing all their dinos while they were asleep.

[Grot]

Too bad in single player you cannot choose resistance for a specific dino, if you adjust it for all dino and are able to kill a lvl 1 alpha raptor with 200 bullets, it means you can kill a 50 lvl rex with a single punch and it's not interesting.

The first time I saw an alpha rex (lvl 16) we attacked it ( 2 players) with several rocket launchers (500 rockets), advanced riffles ( 1000 bullets), coumpound bow (200 arrows), 40 grenades. The dino was barely injuried (one blood mark on his leg).

Some 'champions players' will say that it's a hard game bla bla ... but I don't think it's normal to spend 300 hours craftings weapons and ammo and not being able to hurt a single creature.
I agree with challenges but there are limits.

You should try the ark server manager, you can configure a lot of things on your own server and put a limit of 1 player, password... you still be in singleplayer because no one comes to annoy you ;-)

[Anodin]

Having Dinos o a certain level does not really mean much. It's what you do with their stats. Health is more important than some think. First 8 upgrades I did on my last Rex was all health. Still not done there but leveling Stam and damage a bit then will add more health.

[【Ｎｉｃｅ Ｈｉｓｓ】]

So you were unprepaired and got killed in a survival game?

Hate to break it to you, but your 'team' was pretty awful.

[Wikumos]

You can change the alphas in singleplayer very easily. You can change a setting so they're resistances are much lower than what they currently are, and you can change another setting that gives them less health. The changes will only affect the alpha versions of that type too! For example, you can prevent all alpha rex's from spawning, have alpha carnos spawn and take like 10x damage and have 1/2 the normal default health they get, and have alpha raptors like normal resistances but have like 1/2 the health. I'll post my guide showing exactly how to do this.

Another thing you can do is, instead of having the game respawn alpha rexs (cause you don't want them), have them spawn a spino or giganto in its place!

[Wikumos]

Guide to changing .ini's for singleplayer mode:

Ok, after doing some research and looking around and not seeing anything out there explaining how to do this, I decided to help others by posting detailed instructions here, to save others some time.

This is to change the .ini's for singleplayer mode , for servers or nondedicated servers you'll use the file called Game.ini in the WindowsServer folder, not the WindowsNoEditer folder.


Ok let's start !

First goto the WindowsNoEditer folder, folder is located in the following path (depending where you installed Steam, but by default is in Programs (x86) folder.

Steam\steamapps\common\ARK\ShooterGame\Saved\Config

in that folder, Config, you will see 3 folders: CleanSourceConfigs, WindowsNoEditer , WindowsServer

Open the WindowsNoEditer folder , in that folder you will see several files, open the file named Game.ini using notepad.

Once in Game.ini (using notepad) enter (can copy&paste from here) at the bottom, being careful not to change any of the existing text.[/script/shootergame.shootergamemode]

DinoClassDamageMultipliers=(ClassName="MegaRex_Character_BP_C",Multiplier=0.1)
DinoClassDamageMultipliers=(ClassName="MegaCarno_Character_BP_C",Multiplier=0.1)
DinoClassDamageMultipliers=(ClassName="MegaRaptor_Character_BP_C",Multiplier=0.1)
DinoClassResistanceMultipliers=(ClassName="MegaRex_Character_BP_C",Multiplier=0.1)
DinoClassResistanceMultipliers=(ClassName="MegaCarno_Character_BP_C",Multiplier=0.1)
DinoClassResistanceMultipliers=(ClassName="MegaRaptor_Character_BP_C",Multiplier=0.1)

The above will ensure that all currently spawned alphas do very minor damage and are very resistant to damage (making them very easy to kill off).

Next , add :

NPCReplacements=(FromClassName="MegaRex_Character_BP_C",ToClassName="")
NPCReplacements=(FromClassName="MegaCarno_Character_BP_C",ToClassName="")
NPCReplacements=(FromClassName="MegaRaptor_Character_BP_C",ToClassName="")


The above will make it so the alphas don't spawn at all.

The next is to change how close foliage & stuff spawns beside buildings:

ResourceNoReplenishRadiusPlayers=1
ResourceNoReplenishRadiusStructures=.50


In the above, I changed it so that stuff will now respawn 1/2 as close as default, but left the distance from the player that stuff respawns the same. Basically don't want to see stuff just popping onscreen when it respawns. Those are multipliers, meaning at 1, the distance that things respawn by buildings on official servers is multiplied by 1. Example: suppose the default distance things spawn from structures is 150 meters, the game sees this value and multiplies 150 by it.. so... 150 * 1 = 150, if the setting is .5, then 150 * 0.5 = 75 , meaning things will now grow 1/2 as close as default.

Lastly, click File, then click Save, to save the changes you've made. Then you can just close the window and enjoy your game even more!

PS: Is always a good idea to make a backup copy of a config file, before you make changes, just copy the file and put it on your desktop, so that if you make a grave error, you have a copy of the original that you can just copy&paste back to where it should be :)
Last edited by Wikumos; Aug 12 @ 4:56pm

[Red River]

SP game.ini should be blank unless edited before...

[BellatorMonk]

TLDR...so let me guess you have a base built near Blue or Red Obelisk/Mountainous zones and expect to have it easy? Maybe less prepared players should build near Green as intended.

[xxGBHxx]

Devs please put an option in to turn alpha's on or off. I for one love them, but the posts about how they are "breaking the game" are getting old. I would suggest until then go play The Sims and try to look for Lost World mods or something because you obviously just want to build things with moderate dinosaur danger.

[Sally]

I hate when people put down those that dont like the alphas. The alphas are currently 7x stronger than their normal type. Now, unless you use cheats, Im pretty sure it will take more than a couple of hours of gameplay to get a level high enough to be able to get the necessary defense against alphas.

Those with full metal bases and 3 digit dinos who have been playing for months can go against alphas but most of the players cant.

I personally like the alphas but I did changed them so that they were only x2. I like a challenge, not hopeless destruction. Especially since my base is in a mountain.

Also 0.1 puts them the same as the normal ones while a 0.3 puts them at x2.

[Frostbringer]

Originally posted by Grot (FR):

Too bad in single player you cannot choose resistance for a specific dino, if you adjust it for all dino and are able to kill a lvl 1 alpha raptor with 200 bullets, it means you can kill a 50 lvl rex with a single punch and it's not interesting.

The first time I saw an alpha rex (lvl 16) we attacked it ( 2 players) with several rocket launchers (500 rockets), advanced riffles ( 1000 bullets), coumpound bow (200 arrows), 40 grenades. The dino was barely injuried (one blood mark on his leg).

Some 'champions players' will say that it's a hard game bla bla ... but I don't think it's normal to spend 300 hours craftings weapons and ammo and not being able to hurt a single creature.
I agree with challenges but there are limits.

You should try the ark server manager, you can configure a lot of things on your own server and put a limit of 1 player, password... you still be in singleplayer because no one comes to annoy you ;-)

I doubt this, or you have some hardcore settings on your server. This Sunday we had a lvl 12 alpha start chewing into a stone base I had logged out in. While it was eating our Dilo farm I attacked it from behind and sacrificed a lvl 35 mammoth that was built for weight, and finished it off with 45 arrows from a 145% damage crossbow with stone arrows after it got wedged between a dino pen and the base foundation. It has very slight blood on it after the mammoth attack, so I highly doubt your story of what you had to use to fail and kill yours.

I can understand the challenge of taking on an Alpha Rex- had one completely wipe our dinos and base during the first week, but gross exaggeration just makes you look foolish and undermines your opinion. Players that can take them down and have have taken down several know what it takes to kill them.

[BellatorMonk]

Originally posted by igottapi4:

I hate when people put down those that dont like the alphas. The alphas are currently 7x stronger than their normal type. Now, unless you use cheats, Im pretty sure it will take more than a couple of hours of gameplay to get a level high enough to be able to get the necessary defense against alphas.

Those with full metal bases and 3 digit dinos who have been playing for months can go against alphas but most of the players cant.

I personally like the alphas but I did changed them so that they were only x2. I like a challenge, not hopeless destruction. Especially since my base is in a mountain.

Base in a mountain...where Alphas spawn...hmmm I just don't understand the overall problem.

[Gann]

Originally posted by BellatorMonk:

TLDR...so let me guess you have a base built near Blue or Red Obelisk/Mountainous zones and expect to have it easy? Maybe less prepared players should build near Green as intended.

East Zone near beach near beacons spawn with good look on blue obelisk I have 2 alphas at this moment runing near base one on North on beach one on West accros the river near natural raptor spawn

Originally posted by Wotsa:

So you were unprepaired and got killed in a survival game?

Hate to break it to you, but your 'team' was pretty awful.

Yes I known I just hoped cat will eat mouse

Originally posted by xxGBHxx:

Devs please put an option in to turn alpha's on or off. I for one love them, but the posts about how they are "breaking the game" are getting old. I would suggest until then go play The Sims and try to look for Lost World mods or something because you obviously just want to build things with moderate dinosaur danger.

You know what "singleplayer commands" are ? If I didn't want to play it hard way that problem would be solved long time ago, just hoping for some advices here

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BTW Enyone know how much Alpha raptor on lvl 10-15 have HP/torpor ? Anyone tryed narko trap way to solve this problem ?

[Sapphire]

Alphas need to be stronger, You just need to learn what counters them. The answer is surprisingly simple:

Carbonemys.

-Go to a beach, tame the highest level Carbonemys you see.
-Level it mostly in health, and put a saddle on it.
-Watch as the carbonemys tanks and slowly kills the alpha (Shooting with a bow can help), and you get loot better than red drops stupidly early in the game.
-Rinse, Repeat

[Odd Donny]

Just remember, Alphas are just as stupid as their base dinos. Raptors lured into a small pen are next to harmless, carnos develope a blind spot under their breast when uphill of you, and rexes get hung up on rocks just like their regular cousins.

They are also meant to be either zerg rushed with small predator swarms our dog piled by a few big preds.