If we have Alpha Male why not Dominant Female

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Would like your input on this one

[Defektiv]

Автор сообщения: Chiatroll

Автор сообщения: Jynn

Alpha is gender neutral, they can be male or female

Gender specific is matriarch or patriarch

yeah the alphas you meet in the game come in both gender.

ignoring the looney MRA rants in the thread and sticking to the mechanics.

I think you're lying.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=496361880

[Bendy]

Автор сообщения: Defektiv

Автор сообщения: Chiatroll

yeah the alphas you meet in the game come in both gender.

ignoring the looney MRA rants in the thread and sticking to the mechanics.

I think you're lying.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=496361880

not sure what you think is a lie from those statements

[Shion]

I killed an alpha female raptor just the other day, and had to get away from a female alpha rex shortly after. I don't think that is something I would misremember. Heck, I saw a mate boosted pair of alpha raptors up in the mountains. and yes, I checked with the scope- BOTH were alphas. And yes, I checked their genders too. I didn't pick THAT fight, for obvious reasons.

[strask]

Автор сообщения: Bendy

feels like theres some confusion in this thread, is this about alpha predators (alpha raptor/carno/rex) or the pack alpha effect the direwolf is expected to have and wether or not this will be on males only?

+1

Alpha predators already have males and females, so I think the question in the OP must be about the wolf pack effect. And as far as I know, that's going to be gender neutral as the information we have is that the highest level critter of the type will get the boost, no dev has said anything about it being just males as far as I know.

So: Alpha Predators are of both genders. Pack leaders (better name in my humble opinion, since the word Alpha is already in use) seem likely to be both genders.

[Ketobi]

Alpha, Beta, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ has been debunked long time ago.
The model was invented to describe the hierarchy building between male wolfs held captive.
The wolfs in the specific experiment were mentally ill because of the confined space. The
alpha - beta hierachy formed because of the resulting stress.
So anytime an MRA bullshitter tells me about alphas and betas
i can not help but imagine him as a mentally challenged zoo animal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNtFgdwTsbU

http://www.sociology.org/ding-dong-the-alpha-male-is-dead/

[Ottofyre]

Автор сообщения: Greystar

Traditionally though Alpha is USUALLY attached to Males, except it seems in the First JP movie with the Raptors and an Alpha Female (since they were all supposedly female anyway).

Maybe traditionally as in "pop culture" or something similar, but in real life alphas can be male or female. That's why the term "Alpha-Male" or "Male Alpha" exists. If alphas were always, or even typically, male it would be completely unnecessary to specify the gender when refering to a male Alpha.

Animal groups can be led by a Male Alpha, Female Alpha or Alpha Pair depending on the species. And even some species where groups are typically lead by a Male Alpha have been known to be lead by Female Alphas instead.

Автор сообщения: skamaniac

Alpha, Beta, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ has been debunked long time ago.

Not exactly. His research only relates to wolves. And it's only been debunked in relation to wolves since wild packs (unlike captive ones) consist of a single family with the parents as the "alphas" and not an extended social group. Parents aren't classified as Alphas because their "dominance" comes from simply being the parents, not through any kind of competition or struggle within the family unit.

The article you linked has errors in it and its conclusion is wrong.

The term is still used on other species that do form extended social groups, where it remains an accurate description.

And yea, as others have said, Alpha Females already exist in game.

[Firestorm672]

Автор сообщения: thechiefphoenix

(not being rude just stating my opinion) cause female animals take their correct place in the community. females arent supposed to dominant, but with humans, women have somehow come to the conclusion they are better/equal to men. the said is not true though. for humans, women are generally weaker and slower, they also judge mainly by emotion making them poor leaders, but great care takers. for animals on the the male is always significantly stronger and females cant reproduce. so they look for the best fighter to protect them and their offspring (in animals that live in groups, such as lions) and in turn the females take care of the male(s) (like i said caretakers). let me know if i got anything wrong.

well i am glad u stated ur opinion in a good way, most people dont so u get points for that. however, again, as stated before, many animals have females that are larger and generally stronger then the males, mostly in reptiles and insects, but quiet a few in mammals as well, the major one being, for me anyways, hyenas, they have a dominante female and the thing is ALOT stronger then the males in the group, and alot more aggressive. lions r also one, and again, they do most of the work, the males r only called in for either protection from another male(more of a "whos better male" then protection) and helping take down bigger animals, but even then the females can cast out the male if they dont want him around. we cant base our own biology to other animals and believe it is all encompasing. nature loves to mix things up and make things intersting

[Ketobi]

Автор сообщения: Hiirazz

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Did some background googling and it seems that you are absolutely right.
We don't disagree here. Thank you for adding the details.

[Shion]

Автор сообщения: thechiefphoenix

(not being rude just stating my opinion) cause female animals take their correct place in the community. females arent supposed to dominant, but with humans, women have somehow come to the conclusion they are better/equal to men. the said is not true though. for humans, women are generally weaker and slower, they also judge mainly by emotion making them poor leaders, but great care takers. for animals on the the male is always significantly stronger and females cant reproduce. so they look for the best fighter to protect them and their offspring (in animals that live in groups, such as lions) and in turn the females take care of the male(s) (like i said caretakers). let me know if i got anything wrong.

Plenty wrong. There are plenty of animals where there are bigger and stronger females. Birds of prey readily come to mind as one of the more extreme examples; female eagles can be bigger than their dad before they even leave the nest! Hyenas are another good example; the females are the big bosses in this case, and they DO have a complex social structure (some birds of prey also have a simple social structure, notably Harris Hawks). Horses are led by the mares, not the stallions. Someone brought up bonobos. Men and women aslo simply have different ratios of the different kinds of muscle; not an anatomy guy, so I do not know much beyond that. There are real differences between the male and female brain, and how information is processed, but this does not by default mean that human females make poor leaders.

[Ketobi]

Автор сообщения: thechiefphoenix

not being rude just stating my opinion) cause female animals take their correct place in the community. females arent supposed to dominant, but with humans, women have somehow come to the conclusion they are better/equal to men. the said is not true though. for humans, women are generally weaker and slower, they also judge mainly by emotion making them poor leaders, but great care takers. for animals on the the male is always significantly stronger and females cant reproduce. so they look for the best fighter to protect them and their offspring (in animals that live in groups, such as lions) and in turn the females take care of the male(s) (like i said caretakers). let me know if i got anything wrong.

It would be quite stupid to prison yourself into these roles for your life. Sometimes i am "alpha" sometimes i am "beta". Depends on the situation, what makes sense and so on. If i play computer games with my GF i take an alpha role because i have more experience, later when we visit the clubs we change roles. These roles are completely dynamic. To say you have to be like this or like that for all your life only because of your gender is "a bit" limiting. Somehow that doesn't count for the dishes... i always beta this one... damn.

[RedRaven]

Alphas are both Female and Male... it's not called Alpha Male they mean Alpha PREDATOR...

[Great Teacher Onizuka]

Автор сообщения: skamaniac

Автор сообщения: thechiefphoenix

not being rude just stating my opinion) cause female animals take their correct place in the community. females arent supposed to dominant, but with humans, women have somehow come to the conclusion they are better/equal to men. the said is not true though. for humans, women are generally weaker and slower, they also judge mainly by emotion making them poor leaders, but great care takers. for animals on the the male is always significantly stronger and females cant reproduce. so they look for the best fighter to protect them and their offspring (in animals that live in groups, such as lions) and in turn the females take care of the male(s) (like i said caretakers). let me know if i got anything wrong.

It would be quite stupid to prison yourself into these roles for your life. Sometimes i am "alpha" sometimes i am "beta". Depends on the situation, what makes sense and so on. If i play computer games with my GF i take an alpha role because i have more experience, later when we visit the clubs we change roles. These roles are completely dynamic. To say you have to be like this or like that for all your life only because of your gender is "a bit" limiting. Somehow that doesn't count for the dishes... i always beta this one... damn.

in a game? and dishes? cool, cool i see where you are going. now lead an army. you or your girlfriend. who is leading?

[Ravenbones]

Actually, none of you will believe me because I didn't take screenshots.
BUT I was in singleplayer running around in god mode just to explore a map when I came across what seemed like a raptor's nest. (Not an actual nest, just 10 raptors in 1 spot not doing anything and weren't stuck) There were 2 alphas. 1 male 1 female and both were mate boosted. However, even in God Mode I regretted running into them. They all attacked me at once. Had to kill them because you can't out run them.

[Ciabatta_Roll]

Автор сообщения: Defektiv

Because that's not how primitive behavior worked or works in wild animals today. Humans are a little unique, and only in recent history and not in all countries, in that females are considered equal or work into leadership positions. Wild animals don't give a crap about political correctness or how a person feels about their position. And in their world, females do not become physically dominant creatures with hot tempers and and enough strength to demolish even most other males.

Elephant herds beg to differ. The herds are lead by a matriarch. Bees, ants, and various other insects as well, where they are lead by a queen.

And to the OP, are you asking about dire wolves or about alpha dinosaurs in general? Well I guess that's a moot question considering that Alpha dinosaurs come in both genders, and there's nothing in the dossier stating that only male direwolves can be alpha, just that they have to be the more experienced ones.

[shogun01]

feminism taken too far... now go to the jungle and ask the gorilla silverback why he is in the lead and not one of the females...