Fix the barrel roll, don't nerf into the ground! [SUGGESTIONS]

[PinguinSlayer]

Honestly, the barrel roll is a little OP as more than one people have made clear, dev's probably working on a fix already but I just want to share some of my ideas to make it better without making the pteranodon useless once again in late game. (except for scouting? and getting oneshot)

Here are my suggestions (maybe u like some of them):
- Give the barrel roll some sort of cooldown, making it harder to spam and kill rexes in seconds.

- Reduce the AoE making it harder to aim and requiring more skill to do but it will be some High Risk, high reward kind of thing

- Make it so that dmg resistance of the bird goes down, making it easier to shoot out of the air while doing a barrel roll, also making it a high risk, high reward kind of situation

- Reduce base damage (Please don't nerf into the ground!)

- Reduce dmg scaling with attack damage %-increase making it still strong but unable to be abused by leveling full attack damage

Ofc not all of you like all of these ideas but I always like to think there are more options than just to nerf damage into the ground and doing these things could add more creativity for players enabling them to make cool plays :P

Would like some feedback and will add more if you guys have some good ideas!

[PinguinSlayer]

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[Bob]

I think all they would have to do is nerf the damage. Though I feel it would have to be a huge amount... considering my 300% ptera can kill alphas with relative ease in anywhere from 2-10 min, I think something is wrong there.

[PinguinSlayer]

alpha raptors maybe but that isn't that hard with argy's en rex's either

[Bob]

Автор сообщения: PinguinSlayer

alpha raptors maybe but that isn't that hard with argy's en rex's either

I took down a 40 alpha rex a few days ago and I didn't even have to land (2.5k stamina ptera). I am sure it can't kill higher lvls too easily, but it can still be done with little to no risk involved.

[Sylwinter]

I use the roll for getting around super quick, not for fighting. I'm not sure this is what was intended by the developers but that's what I thought it's use would be for up until I actually tried the damage out and saw it was huge.

It always seemed like a speedboost to me and that's how I mainly use it. So giving the barrel roll a cooldown would mess up that aspect of it while not really helping too much with the fighting balance.

I think reducing the damage is enough. And I'd even be fine with nerfing it into the ground since all I expected was a speedboost anyway. But if others want to keep it, it's cool with me too.

[Red River]

the only thing that needs change is the bird taking damage from this barrel roll upon contact with the target/ground...

[PinguinSlayer]

most alpha rexes have like 30k hp so how da ♥♥♥♥ can you kill it with a 2,5k stam pteranodon (meaning it doesn't have insane melee dmg) without landing once also one bite would almost kill you

[MiniMonyx]

Автор сообщения: Red River

the only thing that needs change is the bird taking damage from this barrel roll upton contact with the target/ground...

i agree with it crashing into the ground or buildings or rocks and maybe even trees and taking damage but not from rolling into targets

[Muffin Button]

Here are my suggestions (maybe u like some of them):
- Give the barrel roll some sort of cooldown, making it harder to spam and kill rexes in seconds.
It already has one. It's about 3 seconds which is totally fine. Promotes divebombing/hit&run attacks rather than "stand there and slug it out" like pretty much every other dino does.


- Reduce the AoE making it harder to aim and requiring more skill to do but it will be some High Risk, high reward kind of thing
AoE is fine. It's about 3/4 of the way out to the tips of the wings. If they made it so the center did full damage and it tapered off as you got further away that would be fine as it would reward direct (nose) hits rather than glancing blows with the wings.


- Make it so that dmg resistance of the bird goes down, making it easier to shoot out of the air while doing a barrel roll, also making it a high risk, high reward kind of situation
♥♥♥♥ no! These things already get one shotted by Xbows unless you have a decent saddle and 1000s of HP.


- Reduce base damage (Please don't nerf into the ground!)
Every tamed dino needs its base damage reduced. If done to the Ptera, should be done to all. The 300% damage bonus tamed dinos get is retarded and does a lot of harm to the challenge of the game.


- Reduce dmg scaling with attack damage %-increase making it still strong but unable to be abused by leveling full attack damage
If fully leveling attack then other areas are lacking. The damage is fine.


Would like some feedback and will add more if you guys have some good ideas!

Only thing I would do honestly is make it so the stamina cost scaled with attack damage like so:

Attack / 10 = stam cost for barrel roll.

So 1250% attack means 125 stam per barrel roll. 1700% attack means 170 stam per barrel roll. To put it in perspective, right now it's 50 stam per roll regardless of how much damage it does.

[Ashelia]

`tera ....op?...?-? where when , i can take down low levels rexes with 1-2 bites with my spino or rex,ankylo .... its not op doesn't need a nerf, everything is as it should be , are you all oldies that do not know of the SPECIAL high consuming attack that does great dmg? Man does nobody actually played a pokemon game or a mmorpg, It's more like ALL DINOS NEEDS A SPECIAL ATTACK THAT DOES GREAT DAMAGE THAN NORMAL ATTACK ,yey pteras got one now all the rest of them needs one.

Just so you know ONLY -----I emphatize - ONLY- High lvl pteras can do the killing. Low level tamed pteras will die instantly unless you sacrifice attack for hp, Barrel roll takes alot of stamina (like obv it would) so your time in a -FIGHT- is like very ultra Short.

You can kill any low level alpha rex with an argen rex spino ....(haven't tried with a high lvl ankylo yet) so does that make them to go to the list of -neds nerf pls- ? Nope it doesn't, alpha are something that NEED to be kill-able at some point in the game. Low level tamed pteras won't get a chance against any type of alpha rex Only high level pteras.

Man too many -I was late when they were selling the smart brains store- lately

This game isn't real life, is a GAME, go play pokemon to get an idea how a dinosaur should be working in here, we have 2 flying types of birds, one is a fatty kinda tanky slow and handles good weight and can be a good tank, the second is a skinny lizard that is WEAK, but acts like a glass cannon, big dmg in exchange for shorter flight time, can't handle much weight , gets lost easly, runs away if attacked ....LOL....should I say more?

[Bob]

Автор сообщения: PinguinSlayer

most alpha rexes have like 30k hp so how da ♥♥♥♥ can you kill it with a 2,5k stam pteranodon (meaning it doesn't have insane melee dmg) without landing once also one bite would almost kill you

I don't think a lvl 40 has 30k hp then, because I've been farming them whenever I see them at or under 40. Either that or the roll is doing far more than I thought it was to begin with. And no, one bite does not almost kill me as I got my hp to 1.5k. The main purpose of my ptera was to be a very quick packmule with 400 weight. I dumped only a few points into movement and decided to put more into stam due to how powerful the roll is.

[Bob]

Автор сообщения: Ashelia Aeon

`tera ....op?...?-? where when , i can take down low levels rexes with 1-2 bites with my spino or rex,ankylo .... its not op doesn't need a nerf, everything is as it should be , are you all oldies that do not know of the SPECIAL high consuming attack that does great dmg? Man does nobody actually played a pokemon game or a mmorpg, It's more like ALL DINOS NEEDS A SPECIAL ATTACK THAT DOES GREAT DAMAGE THAN NORMAL ATTACK ,yey pteras got one now all the rest of them needs one.

Just so you know ONLY -----I emphatize - ONLY- High lvl pteras can do the killing. Low level tamed pteras will die instantly unless you sacrifice attack for hp, Barrel roll takes alot of stamina (like obv it would) so your time in a -FIGHT- is like very ultra Short.

You can kill any low level alpha rex with an argen rex spino ....(haven't tried with a high lvl ankylo yet) so does that make them to go to the list of -neds nerf pls- ? Nope it doesn't, alpha are something that NEED to be kill-able at some point in the game. Low level tamed pteras won't get a chance against any type of alpha rex Only high level pteras.

Man too many -I was late when they were selling the smart brains store- lately

This game isn't real life, is a GAME, go play pokemon to get an idea how a dinosaur should be working in here, we have 2 flying types of birds, one is a fatty kinda tanky slow and handles good weight and can be a good tank, the second is a skinny lizard that is WEAK, but acts like a glass cannon, big dmg in exchange for shorter flight time, can't handle much weight , gets lost easly, runs away if attacked ....LOL....should I say more?

A ptera should not be the most damaging creature this game has to offer. You are right, this isn't RL and is instead a game, so we need some balance between everything it has to offer.

I don't know about you, but the fastest creature in the game should not be doing the most damage as well.

[PinguinSlayer]

Автор сообщения: Bob

Автор сообщения: PinguinSlayer

most alpha rexes have like 30k hp so how da ♥♥♥♥ can you kill it with a 2,5k stam pteranodon (meaning it doesn't have insane melee dmg) without landing once also one bite would almost kill you

I don't think a lvl 40 has 30k hp then, because I've been farming them whenever I see them at or under 40. Either that or the roll is doing far more than I thought it was to begin with. And no, one bite does not almost kill me as I got my hp to 1.5k. The main purpose of my ptera was to be a very quick packmule with 400 weight. I dumped only a few points into movement and decided to put more into stam due to how powerful the roll is.

I've seen Alpha rex's take out entire dino armies of people with 3 rex and spino's and more so... :P

[Lilkinsly]

All you need to do is triple or quadruple the amount of stamina it uses. Make it so with say 1500 stamina, if you do it twice, you better be ready to land soon.

It's still a weapon, but you need to be selective.

[Bob]

Автор сообщения: PinguinSlayer

Автор сообщения: Bob

I don't think a lvl 40 has 30k hp then, because I've been farming them whenever I see them at or under 40. Either that or the roll is doing far more than I thought it was to begin with. And no, one bite does not almost kill me as I got my hp to 1.5k. The main purpose of my ptera was to be a very quick packmule with 400 weight. I dumped only a few points into movement and decided to put more into stam due to how powerful the roll is.

I've seen Alpha rex's take out entire dino armies of people with 3 rex and spino's and more so... :P

Right, extremely high lvl ones may require that, but lvl has a huge role to play in that... Not to mention a lot of those armies are unmanned and doing way less damage than they normally could with a rider. Currently, a 120 kibbled rex should be able to take on a 120 alpha rex if you have 30k+ hp. I have no doubt a bunch of low-mid lvl rexes would get wiped out due to their lower hp pools.

Honestly, the kibble is easy to make and I would say try it for yourself. Go tame a high lvl ptera and see how strong it is against alphas. It would be one thing if high lvl pteras were difficult to tame, but with dodo kibble being near limitless, the power of the thing is insane.