The cost of Metal Behemoth Gates

[Stellion]

**Whenever I reference Behe Gates, I am referring to a gateway, and a gate**

I understand that Metal Behe gates were never meant to be use as walls. But you also have to be conscious of what is far fetched. I will agree a week ago, metal behe gates were a rather large loophole in the scheme of making metal walls cheaply. But the ark Devs overstepped making them 3k metal ingots and 700 cement paste per along with 100 poly(this is not terrible).

A metal behe gate is 6 wide, and 12 walls tall. A regular metal dino gate costs 120 ingots and 35 cement paste and covers a 2x4 hole. So by this size method, a metal behe gate should cost 9x as much as a regular metal dino gate and would cost 1080 ingots, and 315 cement paste.

As for metal walls to cover this same area. 6x12= 72. Multiple that by 25 for ingot costs leaves us at 1800. Cement paste hits a total of 504. Even this is expensive, but less than 2/3 the cost of the current pricing for Metal Behe gates.

Just saying. Even if you take the higher of these 2 numbers, it is still a more logical number then the gigantic arbitrary limit put it place. I mean yes, we like to play ark. But for most people to scrape 3k ingots together is a huge task. Not so hard since I am at the endgame, but still hard. I do not understand when people are saying this game takes too much time as it is, they go and do this. I play PvE and can get away with making Stone behe gates and just keeping my dinos from the walls, but this is just not even balanced.

[Li Shengshun/Bk-201]

My guess is that the Costs are so much higher in comparison to normal gates+walls because of the rather large hp the gates have.

[Jyandalf]

The costs are higher because the devs REALLY do not want gates being used as walls. This kind of price is uneconomical for walling a base off with gate/ways, but completely feasible for 1-2 gates as the developers thought.

I can grind the metal ore needed for one gate in 45 minutes on official PVP server with assistance of one tribe member but now I am far more inclined to make walls for my new base than gates due to cost

[Myst?c]

Originally posted by 1nc0mp3t3nc3:

The costs are higher because the devs REALLY do not want gates being used as walls. This kind of price is uneconomical for walling a base off with gate/ways, but completely feasible for 1-2 gates as the developers thought.

I can grind the metal ore needed for one gate in 45 minutes on official PVP server with assistance of one tribe member but now I am far more inclined to make walls for my new base than gates due to cost

the only issue i have with this, is it makes you hit that structure count way sooner

[Jyandalf]

Originally posted by blade.blaster56745:

Originally posted by 1nc0mp3t3nc3:

The costs are higher because the devs REALLY do not want gates being used as walls. This kind of price is uneconomical for walling a base off with gate/ways, but completely feasible for 1-2 gates as the developers thought.

I can grind the metal ore needed for one gate in 45 minutes on official PVP server with assistance of one tribe member but now I am far more inclined to make walls for my new base than gates due to cost

the only issue i have with this, is it makes you hit that structure count way sooner

Yeah, but it's the way they want us to play. Plus behe walls were so ugly, but so cheap. Maybe a structure limit increase will come when they finish correcting large base pop-in

[DrathDragoon33]

Originally posted by 1nc0mp3t3nc3:

The costs are higher because the devs REALLY do not want gates being used as walls. This kind of price is uneconomical for walling a base off with gate/ways, but completely feasible for 1-2 gates as the developers thought.

I can grind the metal ore needed for one gate in 45 minutes on official PVP server with assistance of one tribe member but now I am far more inclined to make walls for my new base than gates due to cost

For me grinding the metal isn't the problem. That takes less than a half hour. The issue is the smelting time. 3300 metal ingots takes 2 hours to be smelted by 12 smelters. Which drives me insane. For now I am just gonna make more smelters, but it is very frusterating to need so many forges, and still have it take so rediculously long.

[Stellion]

Originally posted by Li Shengshun/Bk-201:

My guess is that the Costs are so much higher in comparison to normal gates+walls because of the rather large hp the gates have.

But it is also a larger hole knocked out when one falls, then destroying a single column of metal wall.

[qlolp]

we need behemoth walls. Also, now there are many old tribes with huge behe gate bases and new tribes can't build a comparable base in good time because of the massive cost.

BHE WALLS PLS

[Stellion]

Originally posted by 1nc0mp3t3nc3:

Originally posted by blade.blaster56745:

the only issue i have with this, is it makes you hit that structure count way sooner

Yeah, but it's the way they want us to play. Plus behe walls were so ugly, but so cheap. Maybe a structure limit increase will come when they finish correcting large base pop-in

The structure count DOES go hand in hand with one wall taking up the place that would take 72 regular wall panels to cover. Regular walls are half the issue in the first place.

[Stellion]

Originally posted by 1nc0mp3t3nc3:

The costs are higher because the devs REALLY do not want gates being used as walls. This kind of price is uneconomical for walling a base off with gate/ways, but completely feasible for 1-2 gates as the developers thought.

I can grind the metal ore needed for one gate in 45 minutes on official PVP server with assistance of one tribe member but now I am far more inclined to make walls for my new base than gates due to cost

How so? Honestly. I have a 1600% anky. I hit up Volcano (top), 20,50(top) and 30,55(top). That run total is not 3k ingots. Far from it.

[[ LIMP ] BloodClottz]

Why not make walls like the gates but walls, so you can choose to use correct method of placing walls for base outlines, make the gates more exspinsive (stone) and the walls just like gates but with a look of a wall.

[Rezonus]

Pretty sure behemoth gates are also thicker then normal gates. You had the length, width but what about depth?

[Cryptid]

The solution they applied was a lazy one, behe gates (not the frame) have 12500 hp thats 2500 more than a wall segment. Which is nothing, plus you have a massive gap in your base. They should not have touched the gates until they changed the way you build walls or at least buffed the gates hp. This current situation is you have people trolling bases by using <10 c4 to make a tribe waste 1500 metal to replace a gate. Its a bad joke, my tribe is currently looking for a method of replacing out behe gates and after about 3 days, we dont have a single viable building solution that doesnt look our base look like ass. Using Fence foundations isnt viable due to their crappy HP and we cant use foundations as the location of our base isnt square. they removed the best way to secure a base and didnt give a single alternative. thats the part that annoys me.

[trev]

Originally posted by 1nc0mp3t3nc3:

The costs are higher because the devs REALLY do not want gates being used as walls. This kind of price is uneconomical for walling a base off with gate/ways, but completely feasible for 1-2 gates as the developers thought.

I can grind the metal ore needed for one gate in 45 minutes on official PVP server with assistance of one tribe member but now I am far more inclined to make walls for my new base than gates due to cost

lol, I'm still going to use behemoth gates as walls. The reason is because I don't want people to be able to destroy a 10k hp foundation and knock down my entire wall. I would rather them break a behemoth gate, which I can place down another DURING the raid if it comes to it.
Just my thoughts. :)

[Yergius]

stone wall - 40s 20w
stone behemoth - 900s 900w, ~22 walls
metal wall - 25i
metal behemoth - 3000i, damn 120 walls

Not taking into account thatch and cementing paste, but in my opinion scale is a bit off here. And stone gates cost even got changed from 1.5k to 0.9k. Can't feel logic behind that 3k ingots...

[Hexxus]

the real cost is the structure limit. even a single layered wall for the behe gate size, foundations included is close to 100 structures. 6000 structure limit means any decent base size will be 1/3rd outer walls, 2/3rd for the base.... or less depending on land mass.

Enjoy fellas.