Behemoth Gates and Gateways

[Saint]

I know you guys wanted the ressource costs to be more reasonable... that's fine by me... but what the hell did you think when putting them to number no reasonably skilled character could ever possibly get to their inventory?!?!?! I can lift up to 200 points of weight atm - given the fact, that one can lift an additional ~99.5% of their weight-stat I can only get the 750 stone and 45 wood into my invenzory before the game won't let me get anything else in it.... FIX THIS BS PLEASE!

Ways to fix it:
1. Get the gates and gateways to REALLY reasonable costs ( c'mon 1500 Metal Ingots for the Gateway and another 1500 for the Gate? WTF) - you cld for example put the Stone Behemoth Gate & Gateway to 300 pcs of each wood, stone and thatch and maybe 500 Ingots for the Metal versions or 750

2. Make the Stone Behemoth Gate & Gateway a Smithy Recipe.......

And next time think of stuff like this... This just ruined my base-building-plans AND put all my Dinos to danger...

[geronimo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Paganizer:

How can you live in the ark with only 110 weight?! With all the gathering and building I have done, I would have killed myself if I had less than 150. Anyway I doubt it's a "bug". You just need to up your weight limit or wait for a real gatherer/builder to log on ;)

Using dinos for any heavy weight stuff ? When I go out farming/building i usually take/use mammoth, bronto, argentavis (usually a combo of the three. I remember full well putting 100 wooden walls in my argent, you can quickly transfer items during flight so ...

If you go too far in weight your pteras and raptors wont be able to go full speed anyways.

[Resolute]

Another problem is they have stuffed up the implementation of the gateway. Both the Stone and the Metal Behemoth gateways are both 7 foundations wide, BUT they snap in different locations.

So the Metal Behemoth gateway is 7 full foundations long.

The Stone Behemoth gateway is 6 full foundations + 2 half foundations long.

This makes a mess when you have your walls against the gateway and they leech through.

[bobbybell36]

Here is how to make the gate with 100 carry weight, put all the mats on a dino, then have the dino drop them one at a time, then pick them all up and it then lets you hold them. You're Welcome!

[photometrik]

Problems with the new Stone Behemoth Gateway

I can ignore the fact that the Stone Behemoth Gate's materials make it slightly prohibitive. This is not based on the difficulty of gathering the mats, but simply due to the sheer weight of those materials. That problem can easily be solved by increasing your character's weight capacity, even if I personally believe this is a major design flaw. Even better, it would be nice to be able to simply craft directly from a tamed dinosaur's inventory, or perhaps even from a chest. That would solve this particular headache.

However, there are a couple more issues I have with the Stone Behemoth Gate at this time. For starters, it appears that the Stone Behemoth Gateway is merely a scaled up version of the original Stone Gateway. This would be fine, were it not for the fact that the original Stone Gateway only swings one way. The saving grace of the original metal Behemoth Gate is the fact that it is a unique model, and opens in both directions. Sadly, the new Stone Behemoth Gate only swings one direction. This means that if you place the gate incorrectly, you're stuck with an expensive gateway facing the wrong direction. You would either have to live with it, or destroy it and make another. This seems needlessly taxing to me. It would be nice if you created a new model for the Stone Behemoth Gateway that is bidirectional. Hell, I would be completely fine with a pair of scaled up stone pillars with hinges in between.

Also related to the Stone Gateway's current model, it is important to note that placing the Stone Behemoth Gateway is not a clean snap. The gate is slightly off-center in comparison to the regular Behemoth Gateway, and it appears that currently placed walls clip through one side, and leaves a gap on the other. The same seems to be true for the metal Behemoth Gateway, but since it's a set of huge, solid pillars, any clipping is covered up by its bulk. Again, I think think this boils down to not having an better model for the Stone Behemoth Gateway.

As of right now, I feel like this was a waste of engram points, and I hope you'll revisit this engram and make some improvements. You guys have done a great job with the game so far, but as an OCD builder who wants things to be thematically in sync (stone gates with stone walls, etc.), this drives me up the wall (no pun intended, seriously). I think this is the first time I've been disappointed with an update thus far. Anyways, I'm sorry to ♥♥♥♥♥, but I felt it was necessary to bring to your attention the pitfalls I have experienced. Thanks for listening.

[Illusive]

I dont see the problem. Its a great asset, just work around it. my two stone behemoth gates looks excellent :)

[photometrik]

I'm not seeing a way to work around the clipping. It is extremely bad, and very visible. I can easily solve the problem with the gate facing the wrong direction (usually be replacing it while on the back of a large dino), but replacing my perfectly placed metal gateways with stone (to match the stone walls of my base) appears to be out of the question.

It's rather unfortunate for my sanity that others are not experiencing the same problem, nor have the same level of obsessive compulsiveness that I do. To "work around" the issue would mean I'd have to build at odd angles when my wall is otherwise perfectly straight just to cover up the fact that it clips like crazy.

I guess the main grievance that I have is that I don't believe "work around it" is an acceptable solution for something that can easily be fixed by a rework of the item's snapping, or simply modifying the size somehow. Then again, perhaps I'm doing something wrong, but I can't for the life of me figure out what, exactly.

[Seti the Dragon]

You can have almost twice as much your max weight. (Exactly 0,1 less than twice your weight). So If you want to make them - just get resources in chests near, then grab them all and build. If you do not have weight required for that - you cannot build that - its simple.

[Okim]

Gates swing depending on the angle you are using them. Stone gatewa swings both inside and outside as well as wood, metal and metal behemoth. Try out different angles and sides - you`ll see it.

[Splutty]

The gaps between the behemoth stone gate and already existing fences, combined with it not snapping to/with fence foundations, the fact it doesn't snap into existing fences as the large stone gate does perfectly, and all the problems with 'obstruction' makes this one... URRRGGGHHHH.

Was so happy with this, and now I need to rebuild my whole fence, and it still doesn't look right :( I've given up for now. Hope they fix this.

[photometrik]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Seti the Dragon:

You can have almost twice as much your max weight. (Exactly 0,1 less than twice your weight). So If you want to make them - just get resources in chests near, then grab them all and build. If you do not have weight required for that - you cannot build that - its simple.

Well, that's fine and dandy, because my whole post wasn't simply about the weight issue. In fact, I even said I could deal with that. The meat of my post was actually regarding the horrible snapping of the gate itself and the fact that existing walls clip through it. That's the problem that annoys me the most. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding here.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Okim:

Gates swing depending on the angle you are using them. Stone gatewa swings both inside and outside as well as wood, metal and metal behemoth. Try out different angles and sides - you`ll see it.

That may be so, but the gateway itself still has a definitive front and back, whereas the metal Behemoth Gateway is symmetrical on both sides. At least, it didn't seem to look any different from the front and the back. The normal wood, stone, and metal gateways, as well as the new stone behemoth gateway, all seem to have a discernible front versus back. For something so resource heavy, having to destroy and replace them to get them "just right" is rather aggravating.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Splutty:

The gaps between the behemoth stone gate and already existing fences, combined with it not snapping to/with fence foundations, the fact it doesn't snap into existing fences as the large stone gate does perfectly, and all the problems with 'obstruction' makes this one... URRRGGGHHHH.

Was so happy with this, and now I need to rebuild my whole fence, and it still doesn't look right :( I've given up for now. Hope they fix this.

Exactly, Splutty. I'm really miffed about this at the moment. I really hope they do something about it. I can't imagine we are the only two people that see this as a problem.

[[GWJ] Sydhart]

We made one last night and the issue we found was with the snap points. I believe they are currently reversed or just placed poorly. I was finally able to snap one side to one specific gate we already had in place (this was not the location we originally wanted) but when trying to snap a regular stone dino gateway, it wanted to snap to the interior of the behemoth gate. I had to manually place that side. It appears perfectly placed with no gaps but now we have found our trexes outside our gates multiple times so I believe there is some space between the Behemoth and the regular dino gate and the trexes are able to climb out/warp out.

[Splutty]

I've posted a topic about this in the suggestions and feedback forum, with a screenshot of what we mean, if you want to add anything to it:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/346110/discussions/8/535152511368532478/

[Spills51]

There are Doctors who have medication for your condition lol.

[Splutty]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Spills51:

There are Doctors who have medication for your condition lol.

Can you please elaborate on this? I was not aware that I required medication for wanting things to actually look nice and be consistent.

(And yes, I know you're refering to OCD, which is about as far from the truth as you can get, which makes your joke fall about as flat on its face as a troll that has its legs chopped off by a dwarf)

[photometrik]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Spills51:

There are Doctors who have medication for your condition lol.

My apologies for wanting things to look nice in a game where building structures is one of the key features. I'm aware that this is Early Access, so things will not be perfect, but that is what this post is for. It's to bring attention to minor issues that may be overlooked by the devs so that they can potentially be fixed. I'm sorry if my desire to help the devs make this game better seems like a foreign and laughable concept to you.