Air Conditioner not very effective

[Walter Matthau]

Just sayin.

My mining camp on Whitesky has an AC and it has a forge, guess which one keeps me warmer? (it's the forge)

True my fortitude is at default, but I'm wearing full fur, sitting next to an air conditioner, enjoying a structure bonus and still dying of hypothermia.

This doesn't happen every day, but around -8 farenheit, it gets hard to stay alive.

[Tryst49]

Originally posted by Lionheart:

I agree ACs need to be powered up a little bit.

In a nutshell.

They need to have a range closer to 6x6 squares and far more output than they have right now. Quite honestly, they are less effective than the forge, grill and most other things that use fire to craft.

[Lionheart]

Originally posted by tryst49:

Originally posted by Lionheart:

I agree ACs need to be powered up a little bit.

In a nutshell.

They need to have a range closer to 6x6 squares and far more output than they have right now. Quite honestly, they are less effective than the forge, grill and most other things that use fire to craft.

Fire can't cool things down though... Btw what i do is make a 3x3 corner with 4 ACs in it for my eggs to ensure temperature is regulated. That shouldn't be the case.

[StoneTiger]

Well I think the devs made the as ok, maybe a little under powered but not by much.

And as they have been basing somethings off of how they work in rl. Where most acs are used just to cool you down when it's hot and not to warm you when you are cold or to take humidity out of the air.

What they need to add is a HVAC unit. Which does both heating and cooling.
HVAC = heating, ventilation and air conditioning.
As some one that lives in a area that gets snow 3-4 months of a year and anyone else that does can tell you. You don't use a ac when it's cold out or there is snow on the ground. You need a HVAC or a heater of some type during these times.

[axenation]

People also seem to forget (or not know) that with higher fortitude you take less damage from cold, less damage from thirst / hunger, higher fortitude makes you harder to knock out via torpor inducing effects AND you can eat raw meat just as easily as you can eat cooked meat with little to no side effects. It simply makes general gameplay more fluid and easier to deal with.

The last time I used a mind wipe i accidentally only put 20 points into fortitude instead of my usual 30 points and I can notice a HUGE difference with just that 10 point difference.

Anyways ACs...

What I did in my snow biome mini base was put a 1 wall high room underneath each main floor. In this "room" I put a bunch of ACs. I think I did 2 for every square and it made it so I can wander around my snow base completely naked without ever having to worry about being hot or cold.

Since you're on single player it really isn't that hard to craft a bunch of AC units since the volcano will be open unless you built some structures there.

You can also build "walls" that are 2 walls thick. Pvp players have to build with double walls to protect their base contents and us PvE players in the past had to do this to stop people from using wall glitches to get inside our bases (this is mostly irrelevant now since everything can be locked). On single player the only reason you would build with double walls is to use the extra space to hide ACs, electrical wires and water pipes, but you can make some really nice looking bases utilizing this technique.

[Flammy]

I don't know how you could expect a small air conditionner like these to generate more heat than a forge lol. It simply would not make sense. You can stack up several ACs to obtain better effect, you are not supposed to use just one.

If you live in the snow biome fortitude is a must have, with 30 fortitude I can even PVP in full flak armor and not take significant damage from the cold.

[Broken Reality]

Fort still has too little effect for the points / levels it takes to get any useable amount. Putting 20 or 30 levels in to a gimp stat is your plan then well make a different plan.

[Flammy]

if you dont live in the snow atm its pretty much a wasted stat

I disagree, maybe if you play on PVE and never go to the snow biome but if you are going to PVP and you have 0 fortitude you basically cannot raid any bases located in the snow biome.

[Gomorragh]

i have 40 or 50 fortitude, before snow biome update i was only getting the frozen symbol turn up around -15c, now i get it at -4c or so, and start becoming an ice cube at -15c, and thats wearing fur, i can still die in full fur up there, just from temperature damage

[Silberfuchs]

A high fortitude is really usefull against snakes, scorpions and frogs.
I'm practically immune to torpor damage inflicted by dinos.

And my AC units made it possible to hatch a quetzel egg during a heatwave (within a hot swamp). xD

[Cor Blimey]

Originally posted by courtn00b:

See how the penguin keeps you warm LMAO.

Hilton Hotels have penguins shoved in all the air vents. Simples

[TrinityC]

Originally posted by StoneTiger:

Well I think the devs made the as ok, maybe a little under powered but not by much.

And as they have been basing somethings off of how they work in rl. Where most acs are used just to cool you down when it's hot and not to warm you when you are cold or to take humidity out of the air.

What they need to add is a HVAC unit. Which does both heating and cooling.
HVAC = heating, ventilation and air conditioning.
As some one that lives in a area that gets snow 3-4 months of a year and anyone else that does can tell you. You don't use a ac when it's cold out or there is snow on the ground. You need a HVAC or a heater of some type during these times.

If i understand the Ark logic (LOL) the Air Conditioner is basically a Cooler/Heater.

As for the effectiveness, two little tiny window Ac keep my house (main floor) cool in 90F weather, and with one wood stove (old school, actual metal unit sitting on the floor) I can keep it 85-95F in the winter while outside it's -40F or colder. Yep... frost bite in under 5 minutes outside, sweating in shorts and t-shirt inside. And that's actually a small wood stove...

To say the heating cooling and insulation system in this game is off would be like saying paying $2000 for a piece of gum is a bit much. I don't even think there are words that can express how ridiculous it actually is. Not without writing a few paragraphs.

[Tryst49]

Originally posted by Lionheart:

And as they have been basing somethings off of how they work in rl. Where most acs are used just to cool you down when it's hot and not to warm you when you are cold or to take humidity out of the air.

What they need to add is a HVAC unit. Which does both heating and cooling.
HVAC = heating, ventilation and air conditioning.
As some one that lives in a area that gets snow 3-4 months of a year and anyone else that does can tell you. You don't use a ac when it's cold out or there is snow on the ground. You need a HVAC or a heater of some type during these times.

How about just power up the AC unit to a much larger radius and add a heater for the snow biome that heats up a 6x6 area equivalent to the AC?

I have an area 6x6 and it has about 10 AC units spaced around it and I STILL get the cold icon in the corner of my screen. Not freezing but still cold which means I'm using food much faster, even with 150 Fortitude. Fortitude reduces how much damage you take when freezing but it should also reduce your food requirement in the cold as well. Otherwise you can just put furs on which means you're still cold but stops you freezing and not bother with the Fortitude stat at all.

With 150 Fortitude, I should be able to walk around practically naked and not feel the cold. However, my character still gets cold, even wearing a full set of furs and my food is going down so fast, I'm going through about 10 cooked meat a minute.

[Sweet Briana 💋™]

Originally posted by Broken Reality:

Originally posted by briana:

This here. On a server with a L105 player level, i keep my Fortitude 60-80 - and i notice this difference in that range (mindwiped a few times).

I can be in the snow biome, with -only fur cap and boots- and nude down to 16F/-8c and only be cold. Freezing is extremely rare and thus far no temps low enough require more than boots, cap and gloves.

Fortitude is mandatory. A Foritude in the 38-50 range "seems" like it would be ok, but extreme cold temps can still freeze you outdoors in full fur, while at 60+ Fort. no temps outdoors can freeze you in full fur, or just 3 pieces of fur of nothing else.

6-9 A/Cs can create the perfect conditions for a hatcher, but 9 seems to be the number more often.

So you are playing with more levels than possible in a vanilla game then.... Not everyone has all those extra levels to throw away on fort. A stat that is really not that efficient pointwise compared to everything else apart from water and food. You have spent just under half the levels a normal player can hope to reach on fortitude. How about instead spend those 40 levels in health and notice that you have ALOT more HP to lose to begin with and can last through even the harshest blizzards. Added to that HP is useful in combat as well unlike fortitude. As it is fort is just not worth the level cost.

How about you level your avatar for the game style you play? It is 105 Levels.

In general i do not often ride dino's. I Run and Walk most places. So my movement is 180, allowing me to out run anything except a Giga, and my fortitude is 60+.

These are the stats *I* need for the "Ark Life" I live and my "RP".


And also Mr. Combat. I think human v dino is lame and breaks my suspension of disbelief. I don't need a huge health sinc I don't fight anything by hand that my arrows can't take out in a relatively quick time.

My fort allows for a great life in the snow biome where i never get caught "freezing" and my health dropping like rock. I never need to carry a torch or stuff for a campfire to keep warm because I a don't freeze.

I also only eat Trail Mix (a mod),or berries and veggies (canned of course!).

So sure, I may level my character a way you can't use or see the usefullness, but it sure makes my Ark fun, and exciting to be able to out pace a charging Rex, sabers, or wolves.

You may play your Ark for efficiency. But I play mine to recreate the realism of survival living on this giant ecosystem space ship with a character that was snatched up from pre-historic times.

Have fun! (i will )

[axenation]

Originally posted by tryst49:

With 150 Fortitude, I should be able to walk around practically naked and not feel the cold. However, my character still gets cold, even wearing a full set of furs and my food is going down so fast, I'm going through about 10 cooked meat a minute.

That doesn't sound right. Perhaps it's bugged currently. Maybe you should file a report with the devs.

With my j-man / mcraft leather I have about 230 hypo insulation + fortitude (currently 20 so that should be about another 40 insulation. When I tamed my mammoth in the snow biome a few weeks ago i would get cold at night and had to light a single fire to stop taking damage. My food consumption was well below 10 meat per minute too.

considering you have 75 points sunk into fortitude im going to assume that you're playing on a modded server with a higher difficulty setting. Its possible that the higher server difficulty affects cold effects. Server difficulty affects many things that aren't always obvious.

It's also possible that the devs have been tweaking cold settings in preparation of the new snow biome cave, but still something doesn't add up with what you're saying based on my personal experience on an official server.

[Broken Reality]

Originally posted by briana:

Originally posted by Broken Reality:

So you are playing with more levels than possible in a vanilla game then.... Not everyone has all those extra levels to throw away on fort. A stat that is really not that efficient pointwise compared to everything else apart from water and food. You have spent just under half the levels a normal player can hope to reach on fortitude. How about instead spend those 40 levels in health and notice that you have ALOT more HP to lose to begin with and can last through even the harshest blizzards. Added to that HP is useful in combat as well unlike fortitude. As it is fort is just not worth the level cost.

How about you level your avatar for the game style you play? It is 105 Levels.

In general i do not often ride dino's. I Run and Walk most places. So my movement is 180, allowing me to out run anything except a Giga, and my fortitude is 60+.

These are the stats *I* need for the "Ark Life" I live and my "RP".


And also Mr. Combat. I think human v dino is lame and breaks my suspension of disbelief. I don't need a huge health sinc I don't fight anything by hand that my arrows can't take out in a relatively quick time.

My fort allows for a great life in the snow biome where i never get caught "freezing" and my health dropping like rock. I never need to carry a torch or stuff for a campfire to keep warm because I a don't freeze.

I also only eat Trail Mix (a mod),or berries and veggies (canned of course!).

So sure, I may level my character a way you can't use or see the usefullness, but it sure makes my Ark fun, and exciting to be able to out pace a charging Rex, sabers, or wolves.

You may play your Ark for efficiency. But I play mine to recreate the realism of survival living on this giant ecosystem space ship with a character that was snatched up from pre-historic times.

Have fun! (i will )

OK so you are just posting to prove my point that fort isn;t very good pointwise as a stat then? You agree that you needed a bunch of extra levels to get to where you could play as you like and have fun using fortitude.

You say that having HP (as stated better point for point than fort) breaks your suspension of disbelief but that running at 40mph or there abouts doesn't nor does living in a blizzard as if you were on a tropical beach? Do you not see how that is contradictory? You may think you are playing for the realism of survival but TBH you aren't anymore than I am by putting points in to HP. Unless you were infact trying to be sarcastic.

Either way it doesn't alter the fact that fortitude is not effective enough and that the effects of temperature are too harsh. Dying of hypothermia at -10 wearing full fur is odd seeing as Eskimos wearing essentially identical clothing live and survive at much lower temperatures than that.

TLDR Fortitude doesn't do enough to stop cold and heat.