Selective Breeding

[neologisms]

So I'm going to throw down some of my experiences with selective breeding T.rex and then spitball some still untested theory-crafting.

The reason for this post is because I haven't been able to find any other posts that clearly and definitively explain the below. If someone has a source or other personal experiences that miss-align with the below, feel free to interject.

First off, all my testing comes from Official PvE servers.

From my experience I agree 100% with the current Wiki information. Also I can say definitively that the "base stats" that a baby can inherit from the parent come from the individuals base stats AFTER taming completes.

The back up logic (on top of the fact that the values hold true upon actual testing) is if the base stats came from "pre taming" then there would be zero incentive to tame wild dino's with kibble to get high effectiveness (and bonus levels).

Furthermore this means that leveling the parents after the taming finishes (and after new generations of babies mature) will have zero effect onto future generations, as the baby is only interested with the parents base stats.

The logic behind this is the same as you and your parents. They grow up to be different after the tame, and so will you after you were born.

So where does baby's level come into play? Because there is some speculation that the baby's level will increase everything from incubation time to fully maturing.

This is where my theorycrafting comes into play. I'm guessing that the baby's level is being calculated as what it would need to be when calculating the amount of levels needed to achieve all of the base stats that it is inheriting. I have some base stats data from about 10 babies over the past week, and would have to look at it in that light later to verify the math.

My theory logic by this is if the baby's level is completely irrelevant here, then one could selectively breed and keep lower level babies with the higher stats. This would eventually lead to a mega T.rex have the best base stats, but be born level 1! Although this sounds amusing, i'm considering this the reason why the babies level is ultimately being calculated from the required level it would need to be to achieve all of its inherited stats.

But this would mean that there is the very strong likelihood that a baby is born significantly higher level than its parents. I personally have not come across this possibility yet or read about it in the forums- but imagine it will start to happen if the above logic holds true.

Logic is that geniuses are born from dimwitted parents all the time. (for sure the opposite can be said from a large portion of the people QQ'ing in the general forums!)

Anyone have advanced experience that they are willing to share?

-neo

[tyonisius]

My tests concur with yours and I believe the general consensus is that the level the baby is born with is directly calculated based on the stats it is born with. I have had level 190 dinos born from parents that both tamed out between 170 and 179.

[Heisenberg]

I think most of what you said is true...

I am on official server as well PVP.

I can verify your last speculation on the baby being higher level...

I have a bloodline of Anky's that I have been working on. Concentrating on the 4 main traits Health, Stam, Weight, Melee.

When I finally got one with all of "my" max numbers H=5180, S=630, W=440, M=511 it came up at lvl 214. Highest parent was 210.

The 210 parent by the way came from a 199 and 168 parent.

The generation previous to this had H=5180, S=560, W=440, M=511 and it came up at 210. So you can see that breeding in the higher Stam number took it from 210 to 214.

Now, I am sure if I continue to tranq 210-220 Ankys in the wild I will find higher numbers than these to breed into the line.

As far as "pre tame" stats go. I am almost certain that it is the stats the tame "wakes up" with, not the ones it lays down with. Pre Tame would imply the lay down stats. But if I ever had an Anky lay down with M=511 I would have remembered...

So, to continue to min/max your dino breeds, you need to continue to drop and tame high level dinos to try to find max stats.

[neologisms]

Ahh. I suspected as much, and it actually does give the level of the baby some reverence in you can brag "my dino is such high level!" as it would directly relate to its starting base stats being great.

now if people could throw out some realistic good (official server) base stats they have found in the wild, that would be great. I've been hunting lvl 100+ rex for better base stats, but they have so far all turned out extremely mediocre and not mate worthy.

So far the best T.rex base stats on my server i'm aware of:
HP: 8400.5
Stam: 1750(ish) (fellow tribe, i dont know the exact value *yet (i plan to schedule sexy time.)
mele: 413%
weight: 790

[oxy: 540 and food: 11100]

[Heisenberg]

Our best Rex (working with another tribe also) H=7200 (I think we have bumped this a little, but not as high as yours), Stam=1848, W=820, M=392 (I think we have this beat a bit but I have't crossed with it yet)

[Heisenberg]

Also interresting. My Ankys that are maxed. I have a male and female version. I can mate them and they put out carbon copies with the same 214 everytime.

[neologisms]

StoneCutter, good data there. 511 base damage seams huge, but I'm no Ank expert (been solely focusing on the rex so far while dealing with very hungry time consuming babies!)

Great terminology for the stats they "lay down" with compared to "wake up with". The dev post in regards literally says "pre-tame" so either this is a bug, or its a bit miss-worded. It seems logical to me that they would want it "wake up" or else people would just KO the dinos to see their stats and kill the poor ones. This would further reduce people using the taming mechanics.

Seeing at how time consuming it is to increase your latest generation ank from 210 to 214 makes me wonder how on earth there are reports of raptors > lvl 300 on official servers?!?

Hunting for better base stats is no small task barring winning the lottery odds. The block of time and the resources to tame it are not insignificant. Furthermore the increase in difficulty (or randomness) is parabolic as you attempt to find ever better stat bearing wild dino's. This so far unspoken challenge seems big enough time/resource sink to the "god like ultra breed" end result that the "meat/berry farming/re-stacking simulator 2015" is probably unnecessary. Anyway its the least fun I've had in game in months!

-Neo

[Flammy]

I'm not sure why this requires tests or debates it seemed quite obvious even before the breeding patch came out that it would work this way and it is 100% obvious it works the way you descriibe it now.

[Slowpoker]

I also agree with your results, but I am breeding Dodo's for their colour, I could not care less about their stats, I just want a colourful, unique friend around my base to keep me company.

Because nothing else fits through the door :P

[Gildrnyx]

Originally posted by Flammy:

I'm not sure why this requires tests or debates it seemed quite obvious even before the breeding patch came out that it would work this way and it is 100% obvious it works the way you descriibe it now.

Two-thirds of science is verification. Some of us get a big kick out of dinosaur science

[neologisms]

Flammy. do you play single player?

Ask any server in general chat where they think "base stats" come from. I bet you'll get several different responses. While we can say it seems 100% obvious to us, other people will just flock to the patch notes and say "it clearly says 'pre tame'!!!"

They wouldn't be wrong to link a dev post, but its clearly a bit off from the above...

I'd rather get back to having people give feedback of their current best base stats for dino's. Perhaps I should make another thread. I'm just too lazy to keep the front post updated with peoples current bests and dont care to sort through the clearly fabricated values that will likely come up! :)