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Move camera around. At some angles the ladders will snap properly to allow you to place them above the existing one.
It is frustrating and timeconsuming at first, but easy to use later.
sometimes a item will snap in a location in first person view, but not the third person view...
Thank You
use this mod
I still have to try the remove the ceiling first and see if I can go from the top down with the stairs when the ceiling is not attached.