Something has to be done about PVE robbery

[Ansgar Odinson]

If you dont feel like reading this long detailed post there is a video on the topic
If you support this thread and this issue please help it get noticed https://youtu.be/lYDnpfIIRiA

Update:

Originally posted by Lyons:

So finally,

A Little Further Out:
Week of Nov 1:
- Server Option to allow Locking All Item Containers, and enabled on Official PvE Servers by default

no more comment, since they disappointed me a lot

I take this with a grain of salt however. Ill continue to maintain, update and bump the thread untill this actually makes it into the game. Too bad this comes all to late for many players. We have seen alot of good players leave the game do to this.

Okay, I have had my gennys, fridges and preserving bins robbed countless times. I have caught people, reported people, some have gotten banned but nothing will stop this from happening untill they make everything lockable. I am not talking about pin coded I mean locked, locked like doors can be locked. Its great that there is an industrial grill, but try to keep it running or any of the food when everytime you log off someone uses a flyer to glitch into your house and steall it all. On PVE server 334 it has become so common most people just dont bother running gennys or hunting for meat anymore. Most of us jsut have to live off berries. Now listen even if you fix the glitch that allows them to get through walls there will ALWAYS be some new exploit to get into peoples homes. The only solution is to allow us to lock everything. Please devs listen, let us lock our stuff up because we cant even retaliate.

Here is a glitcher trying to glitch back out after I caught him:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=482283936

BEFORE POSTING SUGGESTIONS PLEASE READ:
Many have already suggested, move to another server, move to a private server, build double walls and double celings or go play PVP so you can retaliate. Thank you all for the kind suggestions.

I and others care about the community. This isnt about getting our personal grieving and theft issues solved its about reaching a fix that ends the behavior for everyone helping to detoxify the community.

Double wlls and celings dont work, these guys are getting better and better at their craft and we have confirmation that they can and will penetrate multiple layers of security.

This is a post I think demonstrates the urgentness of this issue:

Originally posted by Kindleriver:

Things like this really get my blood boiling. We have two guys on our official pve server who fill up chat with their brave words of stealing from others. People are leaving our server in droves.

Those that take pleasure in doing this kind of thing on pve servers are nothing but cowards. They are not able to compete on pvp so they move to pve and terrorize those of us who choose to play pve for the non violent play. I really do hope that something can be done. It sure does take the fun out of playing the game.

To expand on the original post with some of the points that have been made in this thread-

There are numerous exploits that can be used to crack pins, forum threads full of people bragging about how long it takes so pins are not enough security for PVE

In PVP you can kill the thief, in PVE the theif can steal your stuff right in front of you (see screenshot above) and all you can do is watch helplessly as he does it

Kibbles are required for the best dino tames, attemtping great dino tames is on of the many fun challenges of this game. To have enough kibbles to get such a great tame would require alot of time with food in the preserving bin to make jerky and the fridge running to store the ingredients. If you are getting robbed every night this new mechanic is completely out of your reach.

Endgame content requires prep, blood packs, healing brews, food etc. To store that up you need a fridge. You cant even get to the endgame content (unless you have a massive tribe) if your fridge and genny gets empited every night by someone coming through your walls.

PVE servers are supposed to subsist on a spirit of cooporation or at the very least a leave eachother alone mentality. All it takes is a few people robbing the server every night to destroy that spirit.

On a PVE server your only opposition should be the environment. The wildlife, the cold, drowning. These are supposed to be our advisaries, not other players.

The solution

ALL containers, boxes, fridges, gennys, crafting tables and the like should be locked by default. Holding e while acessing should give the owner the option to pin code or entirely unlock the item. This fix shouldnt hamper PVP in the slightest as all containers are destroyable anyway and belonging could still be raided.

Stefan wrote this petittion, please give it a sig if you support the idea :)
http://steamcommunity.com/app/346110/discussions/0/535150948597816774/

UPDATE:

So tonight the glitch thieves came back and stole everything out of my genny again. Everything out of both fridges, and did it right in front of my wife. She failed to get a screenshot but we saw who it was, the usual suspects on our server. A guy with the character named "I Hate F***ing N***ers" and his buddy "Shi** Baggs". The game starts to become more of a chore than fun at a certain point when this is happening every single day, sometimes twice a day. Fortunatly I only keep a single fuel in the genny now and nothing of value in the fridge.

Most of the people on my server are becoming so upset, so hopeless that this will even get dev attention that the best of us, the most generous and giving of us on the server are seriously considering using the griefer's tactics against them. Thus far none of them have done it but its sad that the environment is getting so toxic that the people I speak of would feel pushed to this limmit.

UPDATE:
We have recieved official word that this issue has reached the ears of the devs. I am sure many of us look forward to seeing the dev solution. here is what was said:

Originally posted by Jat Community Manager:

Hey, just to keep you guys posted, sorry about the late reply also but we are looking into the situation and discussing methods to help deal with this, as well as working to resolve the issues of people entering bases when they shouldn't be.

UPDATE:
Fridge cleared out again. I dont have the genny running anymore but I put just a little food in the fridge to know when they came back. This time I found my wife's body half pulled out of the window (fortunatly they couldnt get her out) and the fridge empty. Several other tribes were robbed last night as well.

UPDATE:
Still no word since the community manager spoke. Now that I have stoped using my genny and fridges so that there is nothing to steal they decided to throw my wife's sleeping body over the cliff (after it fell through our floor onto the cliff) and they have moved on to robbing the less established tribes in the area. They make nightly sweeps breaking into bases, clearing them out and leaving notes saying "thanks for the free stuff scrubs - ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ being one of the glitchthieves from a tribe that does nothing but grief on our server.

UPDATE:
This glitch thief (legs) who stole massive amounts of gas from me is now trying to use it to buy things on the server

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=484692695
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=484692719

UPDATE:
Today two new people had all of the sparkpowder robbed from their torches right in front of them. They were too shocked to get a screenshot but we know who the culprits are based on description and mo

UPDATE:
Someone else on the server was broken into tonight. here the story in her words. You can clearly see this guy trying to steal things out of her forge

Originally posted by Twinklin:

Legs was in my base tonight. I followed him around and he was on voice chat saying "Hey Baby" I got screenshots. He didn't take anything because I don't leave anything on any crafting stations and haven't been using crop plots or anything else they can steal from. An email has been sent. Please do something about this.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=484788615

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=484788630

UPDATE:
We now know the exact meathod they use to get in. Here it is

Originally posted by FossY:

legs in action at our base

tried glitching with the bird first but didnt work
so they killed each other outside he then drags his buddys friend arround till he is inside the wall and he comes back to life and hands him all the stuff threw the wall then load it on the bird and bye bye
emptied one fridge and stole gas from genny

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=484785677

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=484785897

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=484785870

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=484785828

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=484785809

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=484785716

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=484785770

UPDATE: 2 more tribes signed in this morning to find they had been cleared out. My wife and I are running full speed, farming and deliverign resources to the people who lose everything but there is only so much we can do. People are beginning to leave the servers. Most are leaving to play single player untill there is a fix while others are abandoning the game entirely. Only an in game fix or active moderation (which doesnt seem feasible at this point) will curb this.

UPDATE: I cant say for certain but I think the reports may have worked for pve server 334 at least. 1 hour into their usual escapades things suddenly went quiet. While they were griefing one of our new tribes they just suddenly stopped and nobody else got hit. Their dinos are all just sitting there and their griefing just stopped. I usualy get hit twice a night and to test I loading my fridge and genny up and everything is still there. If they are indeed gone (no telling for sure) that would be woderful and I thank the devs for taking their behavior seriously. IT doesnt solve the overall issue but it does give our server some some much needed relief

UPDATE: Woke up this evening to find all my fridges empty and my generator empty as well. All the eggs I was saving for kibble, my healing brew, everything. Either the devs missed one of these guys, or perhpas it that william guy or there is someone new in town. Whatever the case this will never be solved untill there is an in game solution. We need locks and we need them fast. Devs, this needs to be a priority fix!

OK someone on the server confirmed that it was 2 of the 3 watsons who are obviously still around. "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" and "I hate f****** Ni****s"

UPDATE: The glitchers are now dropping tamed dilophosaurs into another tribes house (I am assuming for the purpose of griefing) We really need some dev attention to this issue.

UPDATE: another tribe left the game today when they found their stuff raided again. They double walls and celings. They wont be back untill there is a fix. I told them how to report, and where to post but they said "The devs dont give a f***". People are starting to lose faith that this is even being taken seriously.

Originally posted by anielrebirth:

Thought these might be relevant to this thread:

Originally posted by Aenema:

A budy was on the nose of our T-Rex to take a peek through an open windows of the second floor, and when a dino is in its "idle state", it plays an idle animation, moving its head from left to right and so on. Well, my budy was suddenly inside the base (because the T-Rex move its head inside it).

Originally posted by Dtx.Operative:

There is a bug where if your on a Flyer like a pteranadon, you can clip through the ceiling

Originally posted by Puri:

You can go through windowframes. Just jump and immediately crouch, then press forward until after some time you snap through the windowframe.

And here's my addition:

Originally posted by anielrebirth:

Aside from the t-rex nose, you can also go through walls by riding a stego's tail in a fashion similar to how Aenema's buddy did with the t-rex nose ride. If it's high enough, a bronto's tail will also work. I did both to myself by accident.

UPDATE: Somone reporting being robbed after the latest update that was supposed to fix the wall exploit.

Originally posted by jessi_rae:

Just got robbed on Official PVE 325. All doors were locked and closed. Lost all my eggs, gas, kibble prime meat, jerky, veggies, and narcs. I lost About a months worth of collecting in the hour I was out at the store. This is so frustrating.

Well, I guess the "push your buddies through walls exploit" is still very much alive. There are too many exploits for getting into people's homes. Patching them all will take far too long. We need locks.

UPDATE: A new meathod of glitching in has been discovered

Originally posted by anielrebirth:

@Ansgar Odinson I think this has been mentioned already, but more people should know about this new-ish exploit to glitch through bases.

From reddit:

Just caught a rider on a Quetzal on a PvE server use the bird to glitch into our base. I seen how they did it, and how they got out. Everything in fridges and unpinnable boxes was looted.

Just tested this on our unofficial server for legitimacy. Our conclusion? With the Quetzal's massive bulk, glitching through walls has never been easier.

To anyone still playing on official PVE, please take whatever steps you see fit. Resort to storing your stuff in an army of phiomias or turtles or something. It's better than doing nothing.

Some possibly great news brought to us:

Originally posted by lilly:

Posted 3 days ago on Reddit:

"We're actually currently working on a server-side option that'll allow locks on all inventories and we'll enable it by default on our PvE servers, unofficial admins can decide whether they want to enable or disable it. Still in progress atm."

Source Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/3o0ecn/iama_cofounder_for_recently_launched_early_access/ (towards the bottom of the page)

[[FBI]-Gizardpuke]

are you setting pins for all your chests etc?

[Ansgar Odinson]

Originally posted by Gizardpuke:

are you setting pins for all your chests etc?

You did not read the post. frigde, genny, grill, preserving bin

[jlg6]

Even setting pin codes doesn't help as people have hacks to try all the numbers.

[Urazz]

Originally posted by Ansgar Odinson:

Okay, I have had my gennys, fridges and preserving bins robbed countless times. I have caught people, reported people, some have gotten banned but nothing will stop this from happening untill they make everything lockable. I am not talking about pin coded I mean locked, locked like doors can be locked. Its great that there is an industrial grill, but try to keep it running or any of the food when everytime you log off someone uses a flyer to glitch into your house and steall it all. On PVE server 334 it has become so common most people just dont bother running gennys or hunting for meat anymore. Most of us jsut have to live off berries. Now listen even if you fix the glitch that allows them to get through walls there will ALWAYS be some new exploit to get into peoples homes. The only solution is to allow us to lock everything. Please devs listen, let us lock our stuff up because we cant even retaliate.

Here is a glitcher trying to glitch back out after I caught him:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=482283936

Maybe you should be posting about the bug about people glitching into your house with a flyer then? Unless you are have no ceiling or something. /shrug

Edit: It doesn't look like your house is sealed with the way I'm looking at the ceiling and all. Maybe that's how they are able to glitch in as well? A sealed house also higher or lower compared to the temperature outside.

[Ansgar Odinson]

Originally posted by Urazz:

Maybe you should be posting about the bug about people glitching into your house with a flyer then? Unless you are have no ceiling or something. /shrug

I have a bunch of times. I have sent it into the devs and everything. I certainly have a celing

[Ansgar Odinson]

Originally posted by jlg6:

Even setting pin codes doesn't help as people have hacks to try all the numbers.

Very true. All container, genny, fridge, everything needs to be lockable, not pinned, locked

[stunner]

In the case of PvE, only people in your tribe should be able to access your furniture.

That's what should be suggested IMO.

Leave PvP alone though :)

[Ansgar Odinson]

Originally posted by Bluestone:

In the case of PvE, only people in your tribe should be able to access your furniture.

That's what should be suggested IMO.

Leave PvP alone though :)

I am fine with that. however to be fair even if they did the same thing for PVP you could just destroy the furniture and get the stuff anyway

[Urazz]

Originally posted by Bluestone:

In the case of PvE, only people in your tribe should be able to access your furniture.

That's what should be suggested IMO.

Leave PvP alone though :)

I agree. It should be that way. There shouldn't be a pin code on those things but I think those types of things should be locked by default against players not in your tribe.

[stunner]

Originally posted by Ansgar Odinson:

Originally posted by Bluestone:

In the case of PvE, only people in your tribe should be able to access your furniture.

That's what should be suggested IMO.

Leave PvP alone though :)

I am fine with that. however to be fair even if they did the same thing for PVP you could just destroy the furniture and get the stuff anyway

Then in PvE also make backpacks only accessible by the tribe it belongs to, same as the furniture.

But I don't think players can destroy other tribes furniture in PvE anyway? I Don't play on PvE though, that was just what I understood.

They should make it so players cant destroy other tribes thigns in PvE if that is not already the case.

[Celgaming]

I don't get it why it's even possible for others to access other tribes fridge / bins / farms / compost bins. Makes no sense. Why allow this? At least give us the ability to Pin code them.

[Ansgar Odinson]

It's just out of hand, my German friend Fossy and my fammily are the ones constantly targeted because (i am assuming) we are constantly in chat helping other smaller tribes so I guess they assume we have good stuff. Nearly every night both of us lose any gas in our genny and everything in our fridges and preserving bins. We have all worked hard on 334 to make a really awsome gaming community full of awsome helpful people. These guys are just doing everything they can to destroy it.

[stunner]

In the meantime put everything in a vault at night.

[shayne.oneill]

Soooo you fell asleep with the door open?

[Ansgar Odinson]

Originally posted by Bluestone:

In the meantime put everything in a vault at night.

We store everything away, but that means we cant use our fridge, so dont bother making kibble, dont bother with eggs, dont bother with healing bres, so basically the entire cooking side of the game is locked out for us because of a few aholes.