Help me pick the best Argentavis !

[NobodieCRO]

So I was roaming around and taming high lvl Argentavis (140+ when tamed)
Got 3 competitors the the prize of me riding it lol, but the problem is that I'm still a newb at the game and cant deicide which one to pick. When it comes to my preff style I perfer everything, multipurpose bird and that's why I cant deicide.

So im gonna list birds , first I am gonna write its health , stamina , carry weight and than attack power.

1. 1679HP 2250ST 511W 278%DMG
2. 2336 2400 504 220%
3. 2044 2310 462 231%

Keep in mind all of these birds are unleveled.

[Sydney]

If you have tamed all three of those, you and I have a very different definition of "newb".

[Artoir]

No.2

Hp will scale a lot better allowing you to pump more points in move speed.

Quetzes are for carrying, Argents for combat.

[NobodieCRO]

Originally posted by Sydney:

If you have tamed all three of those, you and I have a very different definition of "newb".

Well 95% of time I play solo, and its not like Argentavis are hard to tame. But I still lack knowledge in some stuff. For example like this :)

Originally posted by ChrisKyle:

Personally, I would go with #1. I use my argies as beasts of burden. With #1 you have decent stam weight and damage. smack a buncha points into weight and speed early on since damage is up there already and pick and choose your battles. I use my argies for ferrying large amounts of metal to and fro. and use them for meat and hide as well. but thats just me. :)

Yea the real struggle I had was between 1 and 2.. The second one has a solid stamina , hp and weight while lacking dmg. While the first one is lacking a lot of HP.

[RollingTrojan]

Originally posted by art0ir:

No.2

Hp will scale a lot better allowing you to pump more points in move speed.

Quetzes are for carrying, Argents for combat.

IMO both are good for both, however;

Argentavis base attack dmg - 20.0
Quetzal base attack dmg - 32.0

[Quail]

Originally posted by art0ir:

No.2

Hp will scale a lot better allowing you to pump more points in move speed.

Quetzes are for carrying, Argents for combat.

I would always go with the one that has the most HP.

[Bignastycupcake]

Originally posted by art0ir:

No.2

Hp will scale a lot better allowing you to pump more points in move speed.

Quetzes are for carrying, Argents for combat.

Quetzals are also end game dinos sort of. Harder to get for a newer player

[Aryath]

Ideally you could breed #1 and #2 and hope for an Argentavis with 2336 HP, 2400 ST, 511 W and 278% DMG

The chance to get higher values in both HP and DMG is 0.7*0.7 = 0.49
that means 49% chance to get an Argi that is great for fighting.

[NobodieCRO]

Originally posted by ChrisKyle:

Taming a quetz in sp though possible, its difficult. My opinion comes from my history of playing pvp as a lone wolf. Therefore taming a quetz was out of the question unless I asked for help. Which is rare.

I know the hp would scale better in relation to the damage post nerf. I chose number 1 as though I was the one who was picking. HP never mattered to me in relation to weight stam and damage. Since three of MY preferred stats were on the high side, I chose number one. Apologies for having an opinion. (Statement not directed at OP)

I did try taming it countless times alone and failed .. but yesterday I had help and finally got one :) So I know the struggle.

Originally posted by Thaliviel:

Ideally you could breed #1 and #2 and hope for an Argentavis with 2336 HP, 2400 ST, 511 W and 278% DMG

The chance to get higher values in both HP and DMG is 0.7*0.7 = 0.49
that means 49% chance to get an Argi that is great for fighting.

Will do that 100% just need to get a higher lvl quetz with more carryweight so I dont have to make 5 trips to north and back.

[MarkusMG]

Originally posted by NobodieCRO:

So I was roaming around and taming high lvl Argentavis (140+ when tamed)
Got 3 competitors the the prize of me riding it lol, but the problem is that I'm still a newb at the game and cant deicide which one to pick. When it comes to my preff style I perfer everything, multipurpose bird and that's why I cant deicide.

So im gonna list birds , first I am gonna write its health , stamina , carry weight and than attack power.

1. 1679HP 2250ST 511W 278%DMG
2. 2336 2400 504 220%
3. 2044 2310 462 231%

Keep in mind all of these birds are unleveled.

With breeding you can combine those stats so you get a baby with:
2336 Health 2400 Stamina 511 Weight 278 DMG.

And I would try to specialize birds for different purposes. A bird with everything leveled a bit isn't really good for anything in the end. Better have specialised birds and switch between them. (1 carrybird, 1 fast bird, 1 battle bird)

[Wolfguarde]

^ What this guy said.

Tame 1 and 2, breed until you get the best possible stat combination (All the high stats from both on the baby) then raise that baby to maturity.

[ADC]

Anyone who says anything other than breed them together is a troll or does not understand the game.

Babys have a 70% Chance to gain the higher stat of the parents.. So if you breed those together, baby takes the high stats of dino 1, and the high stats of dino 2, ect... then becomes an even higher lvl than the parents due to the fact it is born with more stats then the parents had. (Stats = lvls) <- Dumbed down

Each dino has a base amount of stats, then their 140 levels (assuming you tamed a max lvl) have been spent already for you in random areas (Some might have lots in stam, some might have lots in HP) If you got super lucky, and a dino was 140 for example, and all its stats were base level except for HP... That would mean the dino spent 140 of its lvls on HP (139 Technically because it's lvl 1 is the base for all stats)

Meaning if you breed that with another dino... that did the same but say in Stamina... Then the baby will absorb those 139 Points spent in HP, and the 139 points spent in Stamina and then become double the lvl of it's parents.

That said things to consider are:
1: Not all dinos will have every point spent in Stamina, or HP they mix it up
2: It does not have to be max level to potentially increase the max level of your breed dinos, Lets say you tamed a 140 that spent no points in HP, and you tame a level 20 Dino that put all 19 points into HP ... If you breed them the baby has a 70% chance to get the high stats of the parents and become lvl 159 now.

3: And most important.... When you tame a dino it's base stats are the stats that matter and the levels you spend in stats after you tame it do absolutely nothing when breeding, they are completely ignored... so NO you do not have to level your dinos before you breed them and NO it does not help in any way, shape, or form, say no to trolls who say otherwise.

There is further depth to go into that I wont share on this post, but you can find on the Wikia :)

(Not all stats carry over to baby for example, (Speed) does not transfer or count as levels, but a dino has a chance to have higher %speed than others) There are also (Boosted) stats that don't carry over.... So it is often best to look at the stats the second you knock the Dino out and before it tames (assuming you tame it properly) because that gives you a better idea of where all it's "wild" points were spent...

[Wolfguarde]

Svetick, you seem to have a decent amount of background knowledge here, so you might be able to answer a long-time question of mine: What are the odds of finding a dinosaur with a maxed stat value (all of its levels in one stat, or near enough) in the wild?

Posted this as a thread on the forums a while back and nobody seemed able to answer conclusively if it was possible or there was a forced stat balance in place.

[MarkusMG]

Originally posted by Wolfguarde:

Svetick, you seem to have a decent amount of background knowledge here, so you might be able to answer a long-time question of mine: What are the odds of finding a dinosaur with a maxed stat value (all of its levels in one stat, or near enough) in the wild?

Posted this as a thread on the forums a while back and nobody seemed able to answer conclusively if it was possible or there was a forced stat balance in place.

For each dino you have the stats Health, Stamina, Oxygen, Food, Weight and Damage.
A dino with level 120 has 119 levelups which are randomly chosen among those stats.

A perfect breeding dino would be a dino which has all level ups in just one stat. As there are 6 options the chance is 1/6 = 16% for each levelup (if the random generator is truely random).

The chance that two consecutive levelups are in one stat is: 1/6 * 1/6 or (1/6)^2 = 1/36.

The chance for all 119 levelups to be in one stat is (1/6)^119. You can think of rolling a dice 119 times and always receiving the same number. So it is a very little chance and I doubt that you will ever see a perfect dino ingame.

[Aryath]

Originally posted by MarkusMG:

For each dino you have the stats Health, Stamina, Oxygen, Food, Weight and Damage.

What about Movement speed?
On Gamepedia there is the note:

Note that wild creatures "waste" levelup-points by spending them in Movement Speed which does not improve this stat, so the total level displayed here may be less than the actual level of the creature

Now there is another note:

"Wild creatures do not level up movement speed"

When I was using the ARK Stats Extractor before the nerf, there were always levels missing, and I thought these were the wasted Movement-speed-levels...

So which of the two notes on Gamepedia is correct?

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And btw, if it is six stats
(1/6)^119 = 2.5 * 10 ^ -93

For comparison:
it is estimated that the there are between 10 ^ 78 to 10 ^ 82 atoms in the known, observable universe

That means getting a wild lvl 120 dino with one maxed stat is less likely than to guess one single atom when you put all existing atoms into a tombola.

[NobodieCRO]

Originally posted by ChrisKyle:

Originally posted by NobodieCRO:

I did try taming it countless times alone and failed .. but yesterday I had help and finally got one :) So I know the struggle.


Will do that 100% just need to get a higher lvl quetz with more carryweight so I dont have to make 5 trips to north and back.

Agree 100%. If you have a quetz now, use that for ferrying high eight materials. My game progression comes from a time before the quetz was implemented, so I used argents with stam and weight, then put points into speed. After attaining max level myself, and after the implementation of the quetz, obviously I chose using the quetz exclusively. After which I rarely used an argent thereafter.

I still do like using them, usually when I got hunting/taming other dinos. Quetz is too preciouse for risky jobs so I will be using argo , tho I do know what you mean and I think It wont last for ever. If nothing they will be good for egs :)