ARK: Survival Evolved

ARK: Survival Evolved

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Alternative Dinos for The Island Boss Fights: Underdog Edition
Hello everyone. You may remember me from classics such as Alternative Dinos for The Island Bosses or Why is that hippo flying while grappling with a dragon-horse?
To get straight to the point, recently, I've gotten board waiting and a desire to start from scratch but don't want to start when Genesis is (maybe (hopefully (I can dream, ok?))) going to release soon. (tm)
As a result, and due to a request from someone else, I've decided to test some more creatures against the bosses while I wait. Specifically, I plan on looking at the creatures which you would normally consider not-at-all viable for boss fighs, if you'd even think about them at all.

A list of dinos I currently plan on getting brutally slaughtered pitting against the bosses can be seen here:
-Daeodon (as a whole team, not just the one or two which are sometimes brought) -Done x2
-Raptor -Done
-Direwolf -Done (rematch pending)
-Sarco -Done
-Bary -Done
-Arthropluera (I wonder if boss projectiles do extra damage, probably) -Done
-Beelzebufo -Done
-Carbonemys -Done
-Casteroids -Done
-Enforcer -Undonable
-Gasbags -Done
-Hyenadon -Done (maybe)
-Gacha -Done
Added:
-Thyla -Undoable
-Carno -Done
-Direbear -Done
-Anky -Done
-Mantis -Done
-Kentro -Done
-Trike -Done
-Ravager -Done
-Sabertooth -Done
-Rhino -Done
-Deinonychus -Done
-Rollrat -Done
-Puminoscorpion -Done
-Chalico -Done
-Doedicurus -Done
-Dimetrodon -Done
I'll also take requests any requests and/or add some more late, not necessarily after I finish my current list.
Needless to say, I do not expect many of them to do well, but I'm curious to see if there are any hidden gems among them.

In each test, I'll take 19 of the dino I'm testing and 1 yuty. I will not do anything with the yuty but sit next to the boss and courage roar. The only things doing damage will be the dinos I'm testing, the boss, and its minions.
Unless otherwise stated, every testee will be a perfect tamed level 150 dino, so its tamed level will be 225. I'll then give it 3000 experience, which is enough for 24 extra levels, which I'll distribute into hp and damage as I see fit and post the stats along with the test. I'll also give them all 60 armor saddles (or something close, getting an exact number is difficult, but it'll be with 1 armor point of 60.) I'll also give them an imprint value of 75%. This should make the dinos moderately strong but far from the strongest you could get from them, so they should be within reach for casual players. I'll then clone the testee 18 times and throw them at a boss.
This will be done on a test server I made specifically for this. The max level is set to 150 to match official servers and has no changed settings except for:
-Higher stack size for raw meat to fill the daeodons in a reasonable time frame
-Structures Plus for the cloning chamber and transmitter
-Sped up cloning times and decreased cloning costs

Some notes before I begin:
-The last time I did this, it took several days. It takes time to spawn and set up the teams and whatnot. Don't expect me to be done within an hour.
-If, by some miracle, Genesis actually gets released before I finish this, I will most likely abandon this.
-The tek atv will push dropped items with a lot of force. This has no relevance but I spawned an atv on accident on top of dropped items and felt the need to let everyone know about it.
Naposledy upravil Chaser the Tiny Hippo; 28. led. 2020 v 11.05
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Nice to see you're back at it again!
Maby the Daedons, Raptors, Direwolfs and Bary's stand somewhat of a chance. (I can dream too)
Anyway I look forward to the results.
Daeodon
The warpig goes to war!
Stats:
Health: 10140.6
Weight: 772.8
Damage: 148.8
Saddle: 60.9
Raw Meat: 2000
Food: 12563

Gamma Monkey
The fight vs the gamma monkey went strangely. The warpigs' damage was pretty bad and they had a hard time surrounding the monkey properly.
On the other hand, their regen was way more than necessary. They were maintaining extremely high hp throughout the fight until their food ran out (the stat, not the meat.)
There were no losses throughout the fight, although my yuty nearly died quite a few times throughout the 10 minutes the fight took because of thrown boulders. The warpigs' regeneration buff was enough to let me stay alive so long as I dodged most boulders; the mesopithicuses make it difficult though. The fight was really more about not getting bouldered myself instead of worrying about the fighters.
The daeodons ate about 500 raw meat each throughout the whole fight and all drained their stat completely (which almost caused a loss due to me almost dieing)
It's not looking good for them vs beta due to their poor damage output, but we'll see.

Beta Monkey
I must be a psychic. I said they'd probably lose against the beta monkey, and, well, they got wiped.
They were doing well, but their food stat emptied around 10 minutes remaining and then they started to drop dead at 7 minutes remaining. The monkey itself had about half of its health still.
rip warpigs, they did they're best.

In review, it looks like their food stat is actually more important than health. They can outheal the monkey's damage normally but once they run out of food they die... I think damage and food is a better focus than damage and health with warpigs, but it sounds strange to say.

Gamma Broodmother
Big loss. Same deal as before, they kept full health until they ran out of food, and then they got swiftly stomped. They weren't even able to do half of the spider's health. RIP
Naposledy upravil Chaser the Tiny Hippo; 26. led. 2020 v 12.47
Not sure if i should cheer, or call pita :P
Lordbufu původně napsal:
Not sure if i should cheer, or call pita :P
Personally, I think you should do both.

Broodmother is next.

Also, the daeodons, and probably plenty other things that I'll test, fall into the category of dinos too small to be recognized by bosses and thus they'll be ignored and the boss will go straight to the player even if the warpigs block the path, so its gets stuck and the fight becomes super easy.
You could use this to your advantage which would make the fight more possible, but since I'm interested in how the dinos themselves fight, not how I fight while using the bug, I'm turning on enemyinvisible so it'll target my army instead of endlessly pathing to me. I'm not attacking, so this shouldn't offset the results at all.
Posting for updates.
Whohoooo .... Go Pigs Go !!!!

*dials pita with his free hand* .....

*Is this pita ....... ok listen up .....*

--- Sometime later ---

*Yes .... the tiny hippo yes ...... again yes ikr ...... well only warpigs so far, but you know there is a whole list ....whats a warpig ? really you dont know ......*

--- After some more time has passed ---

*What do you mean thats not a real animal !!! I feed them every day in ARK for crying out loud, well used to anyway !!! .... What is ARK, ma'am come on now, you have to know what ARK is ...... ok, ok fine i wont bother you anymore, but only because you where going to call the cops on me ok ! jeez*

*hangs up the phone*

*tries to sneak away before being noticed ... mumbling something about animals*
Ok, this wasn't the plan, but...

Tek ATV

I noticed that the tek atv's health stat didn't appear to change at all when getting hit, so, naturally, I took it to fight the gamma monkey.
Now, first of all, the atv can not go through boss portals, so you need to cryo it in. They also can't leave, so you have to use cryos after you finish.
Second, the atv does take damage, even though its stat doesn't appear to change at all, so you'll lose your atv at some point and you have no idea when that will happen.
Third, the atv completely ignores all other creatures and can path directly through them, even bosses.
The atv also rapidly does 30 damage to things around it while it drives, and 22 to the boss, so driving in place (tapping w then s then w then s repeatedly) does a lot of damage on its own. Add in that both the driver and the passenger (if there is one) can use weapons, the tek atv is actually capable of significant dps. The training dummy says it does 210 dps on its own but I'm certain that there are more than 7 30s per second, but whatever.
Anyway, with a ~600% assault rifle and about 100-200 bullets while driving in place under the boss, I was able to take out about a quarter of its health before my atv magically and unexpectedly broke.
Conclusion: If there were 4 people (2 atvs) or more with 600% or stronger assault rifles or other stronger weapons, the atv would work. I can't test this naturally since it would require other people and I'm alone, but that's my conslusion.
That's not all though, the atv also ignored the debuff from the little monkeys, which gave me an idea...
Next up: Dragon!

Tek ATV vs Dragon
First, it hadn't occured to me at the time that you can't uncryo something inside of a boss arena, but you can freeze something inside one, so you have to bring an unbuilt atv to use it, but you can cryo after to bring it out.
I was able to kill the gamma dragon with a 700% assault rifle and about 1500 bullets. The shotgun is probably a better choice though, I'll use it next.
I have determined that the atv will only take damage from projectiles.
This means that it can facetank the dragon's bites and fire breath (and all the other bosses) and make a joke out of the entire fight so long as you can dodge the fireballs. You can even drive in place to kill the minions.
However, on my second attempt, the dragon was actually running away from me. This continued to my third and fourth attempt where it would just run forever.
I then figured out that the dragon doesn't like targetting the atv because it can't hit the atv, so it ends up in that ai perma-running state and starts doing nothing but landing and immediately flying after, shooting fireballs into the sky, and summoning minions (which become roadkill) while you shoot at it from the comfort of your atv, hopefully with a friend next to you.
Conclusion: The atv is actually really strong against bosses, especially the dragon. The atv would allow basically a guaranteed win as long as you can dodge the occasional fireball it actually aims at the ground.
Unfortunately, since you have to bring an unbuilt one into the arena with you and can only use it to fight a boss once, its crafting cost is too high to justify using it against the boss.

Side note: While moving, the atv will try to turn to where you are facing no matter what camera you're in, even if you're aiming with a gun or in the (k)amera, which makes controlling it strange and a bit bothersome. A and D will override the turn but this means you can't really aim while moving straight unless you're moving straight towards your target.
Naposledy upravil Chaser the Tiny Hippo; 20. led. 2020 v 13.00
Lordbufu původně napsal:
Whohoooo .... Go Pigs Go !!!!

*dials pita with his free hand* .....

*Is this pita ....... ok listen up .....*

--- Sometime later ---

*Yes .... the tiny hippo yes ...... again yes ikr ...... well only warpigs so far, but you know there is a whole list ....whats a warpig ? really you dont know ......*

--- After some more time has passed ---

*What do you mean thats not a real animal !!! I feed them every day in ARK for crying out loud, well used to anyway !!! .... What is ARK, ma'am come on now, you have to know what ARK is ...... ok, ok fine i wont bother you anymore, but only because you where going to call the cops on me ok ! jeez*

*hangs up the phone*

*tries to sneak away before being noticed ... mumbling something about animals*
I'm pretty sure they know what you were talking about and were only threatening to call the cops because they're tired of dealing with my shenanigans.

Anyway, the atv is finished and confirmed to be able to kill dragons, next up is raptors. I have no expectations of the raptors to be able to beat even the gamma monkey... but we'll see.
I've also just discovered that there is a 'flip' option for the atv which throws it into the air where it does multiple barrel rolls.
Yes, this was important enough for its own post.
Raptors
Tek raptors, of course, so they get higher levels, 270 post tame and 294 after applied levels.
Stats:
-Health 4058
-Damage: 440.5
-Saddle: 60
Results vs gamma monkey:
They all died, as expected. The monkey was at half hp.
Conclusion: Raptors are not good.
stupid raptors, they got what they deserved :P
ATV is still intresting though, sounds like a funny unintended feature :)
Direwolf
My guess: A slaughterhouse.
Stats:
-Health: 4002.8
-Damage: 455.2
-Saddle: N/A

Total time before they all died to the monkey: 1.5 minutes
It is sad but not unexpected.
poor water wolf it tried but now it is kill
rest in pizza
Lordbufu původně napsal:
stupid raptors, they got what they deserved :P
ATV is still intresting though, sounds like a funny unintended feature :)
I'm still thinking about it...
Does the forest titan have projectile attacks? Could I just drive into its leg for 3 hours? Can it grab me out of the atv?
Can I get an atv on the desert titan?
I need to test this
The biggest question of all: Can the atv be flipped while someone is in it?
Sarco
I'm a bit hopeful for them.
Stats:
Health: 5010.8
Damage: 324.3
Saddle: 60.4
Results: Wiped. The monkey went down to half health before the last one got pushed off the edge by the medium sized gorilla whatever-they're-calleds
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