ARK: Survival Evolved

ARK: Survival Evolved

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Furry Lord Jan 31, 2023 @ 4:04pm
Is BattlEye a spyware?
So guys is BattlEye trustable?
How much data can battlEye harvest from my pc when I am in-game?
Will they sell my data?
Will I be able to trust BattlEye with my data?
Why have BattlEye not been sued to hell yet?
Why does BattlEye need to install a temporary kernel driver?
Is BattlEye an intrusive program?
Is BattlEye an anti-cheat software? if so why does it need so much permission escalation?
Is BattlEye a software that protects you from viruses online? If so why does it need to scan processes and executable codes?
By executable codes does it mean any executable codes? right? if so BattlEye where is your legal team?
In BattlEye privacy policy "BattlEye follows a data minimization policy that ensures that data is only being stored when necessary, example. when BattlEye finds information that may potentially indicate the use of cheat software. As a result, BattlEye generally will not store any information on most users." contradicts " To protect the legitimate interests of the game publisher, when requesting the erasure or the restriction of processing of your personal data, we or the game publisher will implement measures to prevent you from accessing the game, which includes continued storage of data required to do so."
By Battleye privacy policy "not storing any information on most users" did you mean that on certain users you do monitor?

Your rights as a data subject:

As a data subject and EU citizen, you have the right:

to access information held about you,
to have your personal data erased or rectified,
to restrict the processing of your personal data,
to object to processing of your personal data,
to receive personal data about you and transfer it to another data controller, and
to lodge a complaint with the relevant data protection authority.

BattlEye what do you mean 'data subject'? Do BattlEye mean lab rats? Stating EU citizen on a data subject rights, what do BattlEye mean by that?

If I have the right to have my personal data erased or rectified does it mean, if I want them to stop collecting my personal data which that may or may not have on me in which I have to trust them that they are showing me all the data they collected on me by which they, BattlEye and the game publisher have the right to ban me from the respective game? Am I right?

In the next statement BattlEye launched an assaulting statement stating"In order to exercise your rights in relation to any data processing performed by BattlEye, we advise you to contact the respective publisher of your game. We will not be able to satisfy any such requests directly since, as a third-party service provider, we don’t have the means to verify your identity beforehand. However, you can still contact us at support@battleye.com for any general questions regarding our data processing."

BattlEye stated "we don't have the means to verify your identity beforehand" What did BattlEye mean by that statement? Is BattlEye trying to hint at something? Or is that a loophole to be exploited? Can BattlEye explain how user data processing with whole access to system internal does not reveal user identity? It is not specific enough and has plenty of loopholes to work around.

Does that mean BattlEye weave any and all possible outcome of illegal data collection and puts the blame on the game publisher instead? If I am right?

BattlEye claims that they are a third party service provider. They also claims that they are a special kind of third party service provider
"As trust is paramount when it comes to anti-cheat, we feel that it is important for us to clarify to all of our users that your privacy is respected and protected by us at all times. There has been a lot of misinformation posted on the internet about BattlEye in recent years and therefore we want to emphasize what exactly we are doing in an unambiguous way without confusing you with typical legal language."
"While BattlEye needs to have full access to your system’s internals to have the capability to detect all hacks, we do not look at, check, transmit or even sell any of your personal information, data, documents, credit card details, passwords or similar."
If BattlEye has full access to users system's internals, it is solely for detecting cheats. Am I right?
BattlEye does not sell our personal information, documents, credit card details or password's. By not selling I believe you. But do you mean you store them secretly? If they could emphasize I am sure I would never have misunderstood.
When BattlEye stated "As trust is paramount when it comes to anti-cheat, are you telling me that trust is necessary when I install a anti-cheat software. Or did I mistaken that, so I did not mistake that."
When BattlEye stated "we feel it is important for us to clarify to all of our users that your privacy is respected and protected by us at all times." Does it mean to tell me that most of the users are wrong about that and that we should be banished to the eternal void. Please emphasize with a supporting statement BattlEye.

- BattlEye collecting personal data which they claim they are not selling which they may or may not have accidentally collected illegal data in which they are not responsible in whichever way because they are a third party service provider in which if a user request his/her personal data to be erased they will definitely be banned from the respective game in which requires BattlEye to have continued data collection because the user requested his/her data to be erased.
Or did BattlEye mean that if users are banned when found using cheats on the respective game and the user request their personal data to be erased they will be double banned from the respective game?

If what I stated above is true to a certain extent, does that mean BattlEye does not give a care in the world for whomever the software is installed in whomever country, race, gender or operating system?

Is BattlEye a spyware? well I dont know guys you tell me.
The privacy policy just looks sus and written by a 12 years old.
The software on the other hand is just telling me it is a spyware.
When I saw BattlEye needing full access to users system internal, I was so shocked. That is practically priviledge escalation and no longer has anything got to do with anti-cheats.
Last edited by Furry Lord; Jan 31, 2023 @ 4:33pm
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retsam1 Jan 31, 2023 @ 5:25pm 
Your long inane meandering post aside, Im fairly sure you know BE is an anti cheat program just like any of the other numerous ones for many different games.

BE is also not exclusive to Ark alone.

BE has been used for 7+ years with ark.

If you dont want to use BE, uninstall and play in single player or on the small numbers of unofficial servers that dont use it.

All in all, dont be silly.
Serious Jan 31, 2023 @ 5:46pm 
If you trust windows and google you can also trust other general stuff like Battle Eye or even EAC.
If not the very first thing you should do is:
Delete every game which has online multiplayer, every programs which is related to google, windows, amazon, meta or any other global known IT giant and anything from china or russia. Switch from windows/Mac to linux (at least ubuntu, much better Kali) and learn the very basics of VPN, VM, Wireshark, ... and general network technology and management (e.g. with scapy)

You can also simply uninstall BattleyEye and play singleplayer ;-)
Isphian Jan 31, 2023 @ 6:23pm 
"Your long inane meandering post aside," always love people lurking threads just to bring nothing meaningful to conversations. Thanks for your great contribution to this guys post he worked hard on.
Last edited by Isphian; Jan 31, 2023 @ 6:23pm
Sicksadpanda Jan 31, 2023 @ 8:29pm 
To be fair, Retsam did give the point that BE wasn't only for Ark and also has been around for many years. BE was used for games such as Destiny 2, Fortnite, Rainbow Six Siege, and many other recognizable games.

Now focusing on the OP's post. To be honest...you did post a long wall of text with some redundancy when it could've been simplified into 4 sentences and have a more engaging conversation. I still read through it regardless.

Battleye is an anti-cheat program, its purpose is that when it's activated, it scans your active data (usually what's in your RAM, but it probably scans other areas too). It collects data to help identify whether if you're using cheating tools or not. It's not able to do all this without your permission, that's why it needs escalation.

There have been no statements about Battleye actively using your private information for sale, and if they haven't been sued, that means they've been following their compliance successfully. So you shouldn't have to worry about your data being sold or used for malicious reasoning.
Furry Lord Feb 1, 2023 @ 6:15am 
Thanks guys, what a wonderful help. You guys came a long way, just to awnser my post. Appreciate it.
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