Titanosaurus should NOT be made easier to tame.

[{Sm0k}]

Upcoming Version: v244.6

- Titanosaurus torpor reduced by 50%, and Travel Distance for taking Torpor reduced by 50%. Effectively, Titanosaurus is now much easier to knock out. Titanosaurus Saddle Engram is now moved to Level 85 with 120 EP requirement.
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Our story: Our tribe decided that we wanted to tame a Titan on official server. It took us 2 days. The first day was prep (2 metal runs to make the saddle and cannons/balls), and then trial and error. We started our first titan that was out on carno island, got it to 7900 torpor and it wouldn't gain anymore. Then it decided to take off swimming across the ocean and started hanging out inside one of our bases and wouldnt move out.

We were using behemeth gates to try and herd it away out of the base when we found out that it can glitch on top of a quetz platform saddle. One of our members even picked it up and was flying with it on his back for about 10 seconds before it fell off. Then it got stuck and we tried moving it again using the Quetz and it fell through the world and drowned.

Second day, 6 AM, we load up 2 quetz's with the cannonballs and spare cannons and find another titan at red obe. We start the process all over again, 1 person flying the quetz while another mans the cannon, with a 3rd member checking its torpor after each shot. We end up moving it across the map to the north end of the new snow mountain and finally knock it out and tame it at 9 AM.

Took us 3 hours to tame it...

Titan tamed around 9 AM, used it to wipe 5 metal bases off the map and a good 50 vaults or so. No rockets fired. 150,000 health and 50k weight. Titan didn't die until 3 AM this morning (an 18 hour lifespan).

And now you want to make it take half as much torpor/time, and only have to move half as far? And also make it where level 85s can make the saddle now?

I understand that its hard to tame for most of the people out there, but I thought that was the point of this being a "raid" dino? Its supposed to be hard and time consuming.

TLDR: 1 day prep and trial and error for the Titan. 3 people started tame at 6 AM, tamed by 9 AM. Wiped 5 metal bases and 50 vaults no problem. Died at 3 AM the next morning (18 hour life).

You really shouldn't be making this behemoth "raid" dino easier for people to get ahold of and cause chaos.

EDIT: Screenshots

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=724729852

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=724729909

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=724728843

[Alf]

Probably saw from the logs that hardly anyone tames them. Mostly because it's not something players wanted but hell let's make them easier to tame and see what happens.

[Des]

I'm curious as to what kind of resistance you faced. I'm guessing the bases were defended, but to what extent? Were there any weaknesses of the Titan that defending tribes could take advantage of?

[{Sm0k}]

I'd be okay with the torpor reduction if they kept the engram at level 95, but making it half as hard to tame AND moving the engram down to 85 is just going to make it super easy for people to grief with the titan.

[Lonkodektes]

Agreed. I only play singleplayer and will therefore never tame one nor does this affect me, but it's just true. Judging from the destruction you managed to cause with it it should take a day of preparation, a few tries and a tonne of resources (like it did). From what I understand it's meant to be the ultimate raid tool for advanced players, so why make it easier? Maybe it's because of the whiny kids on here who don't want a challenge and want everything nerfed into oblivion.
Sadly the devs won't see or acknowledge this post, so it's probably a lost cause. And I'm not hating on the developers, I'm very grateful for all the hard work and great content they bring us. But this is a bad decision ._.

[{Sm0k}]

Originally posted by Des:

I'm curious as to what kind of resistance you faced. I'm guessing the bases were defended, but to what extent? Were there any weaknesses of the Titan that defending tribes could take advantage of?

The first base we hit was the worst, because we charged the titan in thinking it would just be a boss. Definitely not the case. It can't attack when its out of stamina so it has to just sit there and eat turrets and plant species while it waits for stam, and then when it can attack it can only stomp a few times before its out of stamina again.

Because of its size, it eats like every turret on the 3 sides of the base you are coming in from. Was probably getting shot by 40ish PSX and 10-20 autos. PSX definitely slow it down, couldn't give you the magic number on how many you would need. We were able to take down an outer wall (2 deep foundation wise) but had to back it out because it was already down to half health in a matter of like 3-5 minutes. It just constantly eats damage and it takes a minute to actually knock down a wall because of the stamina. But it does melt metal, I would say its more like a giant battering ram pack mule.

EDIT: I know this makes it sound like the Titan is weak. What I'm saying is that its not really meant for tanking damage, the turtle is definitely still king at that. Its job is to wreck metal, and when it comes to that it gets the job done extremely well. And once all the metal is wrecked you just load everything into the titan. We ended up hitting inventory cap very quickly, so after the first base we loaded a bunch of storage boxes on his back to move stuff in to.

EDIT2: The best way I can think that would stop the titan is having multiple layers of walls around your base that he would have to walk up to and destroy. The more walls he has to go through to get inside your main base, the more time he is spending getting shot by things. His health regen isn't as great as its made out to be on the wiki, its maybe 5-7 health per second. Over an hour or 2 that adds up, but you can't just back him out and wait 5 minutes and then walk him back in. Stamina is his biggest downfall when it comes to raiding a base because it causes him to take longer than you would think to get through the metal, meanwhile hes losing tons of health. For a well defended base, he essentially just becomes a replacement for rockets that happens to have very, very deep pockets.

[{Sm0k}]

You know, I didn't even think about the fact that since its just SO much easier to tame one now, you could probably tame multiple to take into a raid. We tamed ours in 3 hours. Now that it has half as much torpor and you only have to move it half as far I suspect we could tame one in 1 hour - 1 1/2 hours. With the 18 hour life span you could easily tame all 3 and still have 12 hours to take all 3 and destroy something.

And if you're using 3 the stamina becomes a non-issue. What would take 1 titan 2-3 stamina bars to destroy, all 3 could wreck in one. That first base we hit if we had had 3 titans we could have demolished the entire base with just the titans because we would have dropped the wall and house so fast the damage taken wouldn't have mattered.

I understand 3 titans at once is a bit of a stretch, but like I said, we did one in 3 hours, and now its being reduced by 50% torpor and move distance I'd say its easly 3 times as easy as before.

[jacob99]

Originally posted by Shattered:

So the Titanosaur saddle is now level 85 and Titan is half as hard to tame......

Completely contradicts everything I've seen the community say about what Titan should be. Community was hoping for nerfs into a perminent dino. Most people where expecting a defensive counter to the Giga. Slow, bulky for defense. They got a metal wiping behemoth that can be box'd in to be invulnerable to turrets that dies after 24 hours.

Even for the attacker its boring as could be. Literally clicking left mouse while holding w is all that is required for the top tier end game pvp play. W/O the Titan its a choreograph between a multitude of different dino's. Against a well built Alpha base it could 10+ hours to crack. With the Titan its 5 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUxMqXIFCEg

For end game meta of a game that takes 1000's of hours, this is boring (for both sides).

first of all, why are you acting like its easy to get? its not and it is not invicible, there are many ways to beat it, for one, tame more gigas and breed some super rexes or MAKE ROCKETS,rockets damage metal, what is that box that you say people are suing to block turrects made out of? metal! if you just stand there and let it use a wall to block turret fire then you diserve to get raided if you cant simple put 2 plus 2 together and start shooting the wall apart so your urrts and dinos can break it, also you could just prevent enemy tribes from taming it in the first place by killing them when they are trying to tame one. also build high up and most dinos, including the titano, wont even matter. just because you cant just tank it head on with a giga dosent mean its op, it means you SUCK at strategy and need to learn. there is always a way and if you cant figure it out then guess what? your not good enough to be an alpha tribe or a major tribe (aka giant base with hundreds of dinos and turrets) and diserve to lose over and over untill you learn "hey, what i am doing to fight these guys isnt working, maybe i should try something different". just because you die from it because your not smart enough to figure out how to combat it dosent call for a nerf, it calls for you to learn.

[jacob99]

Originally posted by Sm0k:

You know, I didn't even think about the fact that since its just SO much easier to tame one now, you could probably tame multiple to take into a raid. We tamed ours in 3 hours. Now that it has half as much torpor and you only have to move it half as far I suspect we could tame one in 1 hour - 1 1/2 hours. With the 18 hour life span you could easily tame all 3 and still have 12 hours to take all 3 and destroy something.

And if you're using 3 the stamina becomes a non-issue. What would take 1 titan 2-3 stamina bars to destroy, all 3 could wreck in one. That first base we hit if we had had 3 titans we could have demolished the entire base with just the titans because we would have dropped the wall and house so fast the damage taken wouldn't have mattered.

I understand 3 titans at once is a bit of a stretch, but like I said, we did one in 3 hours, and now its being reduced by 50% torpor and move distance I'd say its easly 3 times as easy as before.

you do relize you would go broke from how much rescources that would take and how hard it would be to find them right?

[{Sm0k}]

We tamed a titan in 3 hours yesterday with 3 people. 1 flying the quetz, me shooting the cannon, and a 3rd member checking its torpor after every shot or two. Its definitely easy enough to tame if you're at the level of taming one. Its a lot of metal, but if you're at the stage of taming a Titan then I'm sure you know how to easily farm metal.

Unless you have people online 24/7 constantly checking the titans on the map, it can easily go unnoticed that one is being tamed. We tamed ours in the snow biome, and nobody came by in the 3 hours we were up there.

Building high up is the most surefire way to counter a titan. Any Alpha who is built on pillars or volcano or an island if the defense is built right is never going to get touched and have no way that anyone could threaten them. Meanwhile they can now tame a titan even easier to go smash their competition.

We did it in 3 yesterday, could probably do it in 1 hour maybe 1.5 hours with the "buff". Its like Shattered said:

Originally posted by Shattered:

From my perspective as Alpha. The titan can not reach our bases.

All the Titan does for me is make sure I never lose Alpha. Competition will never be seen again.

[jacob99]

Originally posted by Sm0k:

We tamed a titan in 3 hours yesterday with 3 people. 1 flying the quetz, me shooting the cannon, and a 3rd member checking its torpor after every shot or two. Its definitely easy enough to tame if you're at the level of taming one. Its a lot of metal, but if you're at the stage of taming a Titan then I'm sure you know how to easily farm metal.

Unless you have people online 24/7 constantly checking the titans on the map, it can easily go unnoticed that one is being tamed. We tamed ours in the snow biome, and nobody came by in the 3 hours we were up there.

Building high up is the most surefire way to counter a titan. Any Alpha who is built on pillars or volcano or an island if the defense is built right is never going to get touched and have no way that anyone could threaten them. Meanwhile they can now tame a titan even easier to go smash their competition.

We did it in 3 yesterday, could probably do it in 1 hour maybe 1.5 hours with the "buff". Its like Shattered said:

Originally posted by Shattered:

From my perspective as Alpha. The titan can not reach our bases.

All the Titan does for me is make sure I never lose Alpha. Competition will never be seen again.

then the competition should build up to0 and be a bit more aware now

[{Sm0k}]

Originally posted by jacob99:

Originally posted by Sm0k:

You know, I didn't even think about the fact that since its just SO much easier to tame one now, you could probably tame multiple to take into a raid. We tamed ours in 3 hours. Now that it has half as much torpor and you only have to move it half as far I suspect we could tame one in 1 hour - 1 1/2 hours. With the 18 hour life span you could easily tame all 3 and still have 12 hours to take all 3 and destroy something.

And if you're using 3 the stamina becomes a non-issue. What would take 1 titan 2-3 stamina bars to destroy, all 3 could wreck in one. That first base we hit if we had had 3 titans we could have demolished the entire base with just the titans because we would have dropped the wall and house so fast the damage taken wouldn't have mattered.

I understand 3 titans at once is a bit of a stretch, but like I said, we did one in 3 hours, and now its being reduced by 50% torpor and move distance I'd say its easly 3 times as easy as before.

you do relize you would go broke from how much rescources that would take and how hard it would be to find them right?

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. First, finding a Titan is easy. Second, resources? 3 saddles would be 12000 metal (I can farm that in about an hour), 12000 hide (I've got hide everywhere from giga runs), 4800 paste (one good day with beaver dams or some good cave runs), and 6000 fiber (....).

Now that it has half torpor its only going to take about 25 cannonball hits (they do about 1300 a hit, the one we tamed had 59000 torpor (now it would be 29500).

[{Sm0k}]

Originally posted by jacob99:

Originally posted by Sm0k:

We tamed a titan in 3 hours yesterday with 3 people. 1 flying the quetz, me shooting the cannon, and a 3rd member checking its torpor after every shot or two. Its definitely easy enough to tame if you're at the level of taming one. Its a lot of metal, but if you're at the stage of taming a Titan then I'm sure you know how to easily farm metal.

Unless you have people online 24/7 constantly checking the titans on the map, it can easily go unnoticed that one is being tamed. We tamed ours in the snow biome, and nobody came by in the 3 hours we were up there.

Building high up is the most surefire way to counter a titan. Any Alpha who is built on pillars or volcano or an island if the defense is built right is never going to get touched and have no way that anyone could threaten them. Meanwhile they can now tame a titan even easier to go smash their competition.

We did it in 3 yesterday, could probably do it in 1 hour maybe 1.5 hours with the "buff". Its like Shattered said:

then the competition should build up to0 and be a bit more aware now

What competition? Even if someone managed to tame a titan, as previously mentioned if you are built up high it can't even touch your base. We've got a base on volcano, nobody is getting a titan up there. We have bases on pillars, nobody is getting a titan up on those.

[jacob99]

Originally posted by Sm0k:

Originally posted by jacob99:

you do relize you would go broke from how much rescources that would take and how hard it would be to find them right?

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. First, finding a Titan is easy. Second, resources? 3 saddles would be 12000 metal (I can farm that in about an hour), 12000 hide (I've got hide everywhere from giga runs), 4800 paste (one good day with beaver dams or some good cave runs), and 6000 fiber (....).

Now that it has half torpor its only going to take about 25 cannonball hits (they do about 1300 a hit, the one we tamed had 59000 torpor (now it would be 29500).

unless you have tame all 3 at once, then people will proably start to notice after having taming the first, only nerf i would see reasonable would be to make a server announcement go off when one is tamed saying "(tribe name) has tamed a titanosaur!" thats the only nerf i think would be reasonable for them, other then limit one per tribe

[{Sm0k}]

Also, this video you linked is bogus. Pretty sure old boy there forgot to turn off his cheats, because as he was stomping that giga he didn't lose an ounce of stamina. From personal experience using it to wipe some bases, it runs out of stamina very quickly.

[jacob99]

Originally posted by Sm0k:

Originally posted by jacob99:

then the competition should build up to0 and be a bit more aware now

What competition? Even if someone managed to tame a titan, as previously mentioned if you are built up high it can't even touch your base. We've got a base on volcano, nobody is getting a titan up there. We have bases on pillars, nobody is getting a titan up on those.

by comptition i meant they could build up high too (although that would leave the only people weak to titanos to be just weak small tribes that cant build up high) so even though they cant raid you with a titano, you cant raid them with one ether.