Cannons to stronk

[Drew]

Let me put something in the game that 2-3 hits auto turrets and not make anything to defend against it. I don't understand, is Wild Card trying to encourage offline raiding? Encourage griefers to continue griefing? A level 35 player can now make something to easily take down auto turrets? I'm not disagreeing with the cannon to metal structure damage, that is fine. The fact that nothing can hit it to break it, which makes sense in a away seeing a cannon ball would be much more durable than a rocket, and nothing defensive wise can defend against it. 3k damage to a dinosaur as well? That is 10 cannon balls for a 30k hp rex.. WHAT?

Something needs to be updated or nerfed towards damage to auto turrets. Add a durability, make it so some sort of item blocks them, or nerf the ♥♥♥♥ out of them.

/rant

[BigDady]

Originally posted by Akrane:

Originally posted by Not Drewby:

So someone who has played on a server for months and months, has built 100s of auto turrets, established a huge base can now get slowly whittled down by a casual player that has significant less hours/levels than a tribe that has thousands of hours and max level. Good logic.

Having 100's of auto turrets should not be allowed anyway.

There is nothing that justifies building the kind of bases I've seen from time to time - people tame hundreds of dinos and stores thousands of things, have hundreds of turrets - for what ?
They end up using 4 of the dinos and the rest just sit there and rot away, defended for nothing.

It's a burden on the servers, it's a burden on anyone not running top level gear because it creates insane amounts of FPS lag, etc.

And in a lot of cases it condems entire parts of the map where you can't fly anymore. You're lvl 35 and you have your brand new ptera lvl 60, suddenly it dies and you die.

So yes having something for lower levels that can compete with bigger higher tribes that load the map with turrets like a xmas tree - that's a great thing.

Go cry somewhere else.

u know nothing about this game. u need keep animals to farm egg, what make u able to tame lvl 100+ dinos with kible. becuase the egg producing is slow is only point to raid in game for eggs or kibles. if u want deffend ur base when u offline u need walls and many turets. with this cannon they broke the ballance. this is my base: http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/268338039149243517/2E6F9F7B0785B9C63CC5E1F4691EB54F8CB42A48/ it was perfectly safe but now easy raid with cannons. the devs r idiots they add gamechangeing item to game without thing and give us time to prepare.

and with 500 hours in ark stop writing stmartass comments U KNOW NOTHING. thats why ur opinion does not mater.

[BigDady]

Originally posted by Lev:

Low level players what?.... You see the CP costs on it?

from 3-4 beaver dam u can get 2k cp in 20mins...

[Captain Jack]

Wildcard changed to troll support since half a year, so what is new ?

This game is meaningless in the current state, except for some alpha tribe trolls.

Normal players have no way to defend themselves.

Devs ignore that fact more and more.

[RangedSpider]

Originally posted by Kolo:

Wildcard changed to troll support since half a year, so what is new ?

This game is meaningless in the current state, except for some alpha tribe trolls.

Normal players have no way to defend themselves.

Devs ignore that fact more and more.

Ya that's the 1 reason I refuse to buy this game. It's ashame.

[crgzero]

I didn't read every post, but I skimmed and Never did figure out what "stronk" means.

[Captain Jack]

Total troll ownage at the current state of Ark :-(

[Syn Belask]

the cannon is in no way op, rocket turrets are so much more effective and faster shooting since they stack rounds. CANNON BALLS DO NOT STACK. furthermore they are heavy(14lb each) and cannons are single shot. Therefore this is a pathetic arguement from someone who is afraid he could possibly get hit by someone with a freakin cannonball. Have you seen the resource cost of cannons and cannonballs? it is actually more cost effective and more damaging to farm and make rockets/launchers. I placed a cannon on my quetz and was using it as a test. the cannons arent that accurate on a bird, whether in the air or landed as their is a sway to figure in, it is a slow reload and single shot making it very difficult to inflict a lot of damage, even over time, to a higher tier tribe with such a weapon. If a "lower lvl player" can farm the resources even with beaver dams to make 1 or even more cannons, I still wouldnt consider them a threat to the 86 turrets and 43 plant turrets that surround the outskirts of my base. If they take out 1 turret i will react by yanking them from their gun while they are reloading and dropping their butts in my giga pen for a snack. only ppl who would have to even consider cannons a threat would be beach bases as rafts make much more suitable places to put the cannons(PIRATE SHIP BATTLES!!!!!). and the stability of a raft makes it much easier to fire from and get a more accurate shot off.

[Morath]

Originally posted by hell_fox13:

the cannon is in no way op, rocket turrets are so much more effective and faster shooting since they stack rounds. CANNON BALLS DO NOT STACK. furthermore they are heavy(14lb each) and cannons are single shot. Therefore this is a pathetic arguement from someone who is afraid he could possibly get hit by someone with a freakin cannonball. Have you seen the resource cost of cannons and cannonballs? it is actually more cost effective and more damaging to farm and make rockets/launchers. I placed a cannon on my quetz and was using it as a test. the cannons arent that accurate on a bird, whether in the air or landed as their is a sway to figure in, it is a slow reload and single shot making it very difficult to inflict a lot of damage, even over time, to a higher tier tribe with such a weapon. If a "lower lvl player" can farm the resources even with beaver dams to make 1 or even more cannons, I still wouldnt consider them a threat to the 86 turrets and 43 plant turrets that surround the outskirts of my base. If they take out 1 turret i will react by yanking them from their gun while they are reloading and dropping their butts in my giga pen for a snack. only ppl who would have to even consider cannons a threat would be beach bases as rafts make much more suitable places to put the cannons(PIRATE SHIP BATTLES!!!!!). and the stability of a raft makes it much easier to fire from and get a more accurate shot off.

Well and what about wake up and have most of your turrets gone (with their ammo) without any info who it was?

You dont see difference between Cannon and Rockets? Rockets have counter, and their counter are turrets. Cannons havent any counter, and that is issue. We cleared hundreads of species X with catapult and I am sure that it is a lot harder hit with it, than with Cannon, so why do you think that it would be problem kill your 86 turrets when you will be sleeping?

Again, when they added Balista, it was able destroy turrets, and they removed this option entirely, so where is difference? In ammount of resources? Really? That just mean that someone will not do it today, but in one week, nothing else.

[Arachnade]

Another thing that needs to be nerfed?LOL

[Morath]

Originally posted by Arachnade KILL ME NOW:

Another thing that needs to be nerfed?LOL

Well, you have 200 hours played, so no ofense, but you probably cant join discusion about something what is on level where you are not yet.

[crgzero]

Originally posted by IMPiks ' Morath:

Originally posted by Arachnade KILL ME NOW:

Another thing that needs to be nerfed?LOL

Well, you have 200 hours played, so no ofense, but you probably cant join discusion about something what is on level where you are not yet.

That's like saying only alpha tribes have any right to enjoy the game or have the capacity to understand a flaw in the system. Or in the u.s. only the rich have the right to enjoy life.

Time played rarely equates to common sense. In your case it definitely doesn't.

[Morath]

Originally posted by crgzero:

Originally posted by IMPiks ' Morath:

Well, you have 200 hours played, so no ofense, but you probably cant join discusion about something what is on level where you are not yet.

That's like saying only alpha tribes have any right to enjoy the game or have the capacity to understand a flaw in the system. Or in the u.s. only the rich have the right to enjoy life.

Time played rarely equates to common sense. In your case it definitely doesn't.

No, it is like talk about how hard is mountain climbing when you was maximally on hill behind your house. Your comparsions are nonsense, it is simple, if I do not understand to something I can be hardly taken serious when I am trying talk about it, especially comments like "Another thing that needs to be nerfed?LOL" yeah, very valuable opinion.

Tbh your post which just attacking someones bad grammar or maybe joke "I didn't read every post, but I skimmed and Never did figure out what "stronk" means." have also totally zero value in topic like this.

We are (and in We I dont mean people like you and Archanade) giving here some feedback for developers, and sure, noone say that every opinion is totally correct, but we are investing time to think about it and make some longer text to describe where we see problems and what could be changed to keep game balanced.

[Elbrun]

While the cannon is powerful against turrets and structures it has a number of downsides that help to balance it. 1) 1 shot capacity. 2) difficult to aim with precision, especially on a non-raft platform or ground based structure. 3) exposed gunner. 4) ammo weight of 20 (post patch). 5) slow reload to fire rate due to ammo limitation.

The cannon can be extremely effective for offline raiding, but to be honest, offline raiding is what most tribes consider pvp on many servers. The metal box with tons of auto turrets and plant x defenses meta is stale, this shakes things up quite a bit. So it has a longer range than your turrets/plants. So it can break your turrets. So it can bust your metal walls. I personally think the devs enjoy griefers, look at the cage, handcuffs, and shock prod as perfect examples of arming the griefers.

Now people have to consider ways to counter this new offline raiding tool. The old tricks don't work anymore. But some people get set in their ways and find thinking of new ways of doing things painful.

I personally like the idea of a 'pirate ship' style cannonade from rafts against shore targets. Though to make the best use of cannon you really need a few people, a gunner/loader, someone to keep watch/defend the gunner, and a spotter for the cannon fire. The cannon is really more of a 'team weapon' from what I'm seeing of it.

[Morath]

They should minimally remove option have Cannon on Quetzals. Quetzals griefing in this way is too easy and without any risk, if you would need go on land (slow dinos) you are at least risking that enemy will login in middle of your attack.

But again I still did not get where is difference between Balista which was nerfed against towers (no damage) and Cannon, and resources are not reason, it means that it take just little bit longer raid someone offline.

[crgzero]

Originally posted by IMPiks ' Morath:

Originally posted by crgzero:

That's like saying only alpha tribes have any right to enjoy the game or have the capacity to understand a flaw in the system. Or in the u.s. only the rich have the right to enjoy life.

Time played rarely equates to common sense. In your case it definitely doesn't.

No, it is like talk about how hard is mountain climbing when you was maximally on hill behind your house. Your comparsions are nonsense, it is simple, if I do not understand to something I can be hardly taken serious when I am trying talk about it, especially comments like "Another thing that needs to be nerfed?LOL" yeah, very valuable opinion.

Tbh your post which just attacking someones bad grammar or maybe joke "I didn't read every post, but I skimmed and Never did figure out what "stronk" means." have also totally zero value in topic like this.

We are (and in We I dont mean people like you and Archanade) giving here some feedback for developers, and sure, noone say that every opinion is totally correct, but we are investing time to think about it and make some longer text to describe where we see problems and what could be changed to keep game balanced.

So what you're saying is that only the opinions of the elite few at the top of played time is the only correct opinion s,,,, which is basically what I said anyway.

Good to know.

So hey everyone, if you don't have X amount of hours played, regardless of any other considerations, your opinion or skill or knowledge of this game means jack.

Yeah, typical.
As for my quite obvious joke about "stronk", why bother explaining it to you. (Rhetorical question, hence no question mark) I don't have X amount of hours played so my or anyone elses opinion doesn't matter until we hit that threshold at which point some random ass will decide that it's still not worth hearing because he/she/it/we don't have XYZ achievement.