Re: Why you SHOULDN'T play Hardcore mode.

[Iron Horse]

A person says:

I played regular mode with some friends for about 70 hours. Once you have everything, it gets dull and boring. Then i tried hardcore mode...

Hardcore mode is a mode where when you die, you lose your character, you have to make a new one at level 0 and start fresh.

1 .Less players. Theres usually around 10-20 max players on hardcore servers, which make them perform way better. Dinosaurs don't fly away when you kill them, dinosaurs actaully look like they are fighting instead of just biting at the air causing damage. I didn't even know these things were because of high server populations. Also, less player interaction means when you do actually find someone, its a heartpounding intense experience of life and death.

Annukai mod also adds new animations that breathe fresh life into the game.

2. You actually worry. It's more like a survival game instead of a game of gathering and waiting. You are scared of death, so you don't do foolish things. It's harder to take on dinosaurs because they can actually hit you because of the performance in low pop. You stay on your toes, always scanning your surroundings, looking over your shoulder. It's more intense for sure.

The way spawns work currently make it a coin toss whether or not you'll be eaten during the opening cutscene anyway. Until spawns are fixed (unlikely) or there's a safer place to gather resources, even on the jungle beaches a small pack of Compys, 1 Dilo, or even the odd Raptor or Sarco will end those hours of work because you got an unlucky spawn.

3. Less Raiding. People who are high level got their by being careful. They aren't going to raid often because it's very risky and they could lose everything instead of normal mode where they can just respawn and keep raiding you.

What is actually more likely to happen, is the (typically) large group with materials and dinosaurs to spare will be even far more likely to wipe you out. When it's so easy to fall from the top, you have to make sure nobody can challenge you for the spot. What better way to do this than by making sure nobody even gets halfway? This is a gross overestimation of the way people play. People raid on core because, why not? They'll doubly raid you on Hardcore because "can't let them become a threat".

4. If you kill someone, you really kill them. If you really hate someone, or want to actually take a clan out, you just gotta kill them and they are gonna have to start from scratch. It's more satisfying to kill your enemies when you know they can't just respawn and come get you.

It's just as likely that you'll be killed. Besides, what real reason would you have to hate someone other than that they killed you and wiped you back to 0? This is a nice fantasy, but you'll likely never have a chance to form a rivalry with anyone because your first fight will be your last.

5. Better players. The little 12 year old whiners leave quickly, and never come back. You'll find players with more skill and maturity in hardcore servers.

Yeah, sure. Trade the "OMG UNFAIR" whiners for the elitist "GIT GUD" bear blowers who will raid you because you built too close to their hemisphere or some such nonsense. I think I'll take the whiners who won't be able to blast me into oblivion while I'm offline, thanks.

Speaking of which, Offline base raiding is far more likely. Why risk going toe to toe with the defenders when you can be a coward and nuke them while they're busy having a life?

6. Appreciate the little things. You'll find yourself appreciating something as simple as a water pouch very much. Everything really has a use now. You can't just die to fill your hunger back up.

I already appreciate what I have on Core. I appreciate the time it took to gather the mats and level up and build. I also appreciate not losing everything I ever did because I happened to turn around a rock and find myself face to face with an Alpha Raptor.

I've gotten more out of the game in the last day than i have the last three weeks of playing on regular. Give it a shot, it's not for players who can't handle real survival. You need a completely different mindset, survive.

How incredibly arrogant. The game is already hard enough, depending on the difficulty you play on. Currently I encounter level 300+ dinosaurs, and have to deal with creatures such as Wyverns that can burn you to a crisp in 5 seconds flat. I don't need the "added challenge" of losing everything because the game decided my luck ran out. If you're not feeling fulfilled by core, then you have hardcore. But don't sit there and try to mount yourself on a pedestal as though you're superior because you play hardcore. I'd rather play a game mode where skill and savvy can save my skin, rather than losing it all because fate just decided "Go f*ck yourself" that day.

A game is all about having fun. Or trying to. I don't have fun when skill and player prowess is taken out of the equation by random chance. Doesn't give you any right to talk down to me like I'm a lesser person for choosing to understand where I enjoy myself the most.

/rant.

[Iron Horse]

Originally posted by #Sw!zZ.Pii:

What the hell is the point of this? Some people like to play vanilla hardcore, others don't. Total waste of time, get a life.

I have no clue what you mean by "get a life". Clearly I am living. Unless you mean for me to find a hobby? In which case, "gaming" is the answer. It's currently 0430 for me on my night off of work. So this rather childish response of yours confuses me greatly since it imlpies many things, none of which are true.

[Bask]

Originally posted by #Sw!zZ.Pii:

What the hell is the point of this? Some people like to play vanilla hardcore, others don't. Total waste of time, get a life.

+1

[Iron Horse]

Originally posted by Baskville:

Originally posted by #Sw!zZ.Pii:

What the hell is the point of this? Some people like to play vanilla hardcore, others don't. Total waste of time, get a life.

+1

So this is another typical case of "Someone else is allowed to speak their opinion, but not you", right?

[Amanita]

Originally posted by #Sw!zZ.Pii:

What the hell is the point of this? Some people like to play vanilla hardcore, others don't. Total waste of time, get a life.

Relax, guy!.
Some make why you should play comments and some make why you should not play comments.

[Bask]

I was agreeing with what he said based on the post that I read yesterday about trying hardcore, a lot of others liked the idea and wanted to also give it a try. His arguments were valid as to why you SHOULD try hardcore.

[Iron Horse]

Originally posted by Baskville:

I was agreeing with what he said based on the post that I read yesterday about trying hardcore, a lot of others liked the idea and wanted to also give it a try. His arguments were valid as to why you SHOULD try hardcore.

And I'd argue I make valid points against it. My OP was a direct response to that very thread I believe we're both talking about.

[Housatonic]

I can't help but reading this as "someone suggests that altering the game's challenges in some way made the game more interesting, but clearly they're wrong, and the way I altered the game experience is a far better challenge!"

They prefer hardcore, you prefer mods. What is your point here exactly?

[Bask]

You make an argument about a highly modded version of the game that does not really compare to the way the game was originally intended to be played.

[Iron Horse]

Originally posted by Housatonic:

I can't help but reading this as "someone suggests that altering the game's challenges in some way made the game more interesting, but clearly they're wrong, and the way I altered the game experience is a far better challenge!"

They prefer hardcore, you prefer mods. What is your point here exactly?

You shouldn't read into what isn't there.

He gave points for, and I against. I'm trying to save people the potential grief that awaits them because they read his thread and decided "Golly, that sounds great"!

The only issue I took with his post was the end, where he makes it sound like "if you don't play it my way, you're not a REAL survival gamer".

Elitism doesn't sit well with me.

[Iron Horse]

Originally posted by Baskville:

You make an argument about a highly modded version of the game that does not really compare to the way the game was originally intended to be played.

If we wanted to argue "original", then we're only going to talk about core. And I merely stated the annukai mods as an aside. You can still crank up the difficulty for serious challenge.

[kivnoi]

Primitive18; I am a new original server player. That's right. You're the one. I feel great! But I got the experience in this mode, the difference is very great. Because there is still a plug-in game player game server to wreak havoc, the heavy burden of game player will be dropped. I am in the server, the original server 18. There is a group of people, can you tell me why I am in where they all know? I trained a little more than a few dragons, and they came to kill them. More than I am a person, all of my allies on this server. Keep a few more dodo, they have been killed. Why, our position is absolutely concealed, can not be known, I take my life guarantee. Until I asked them. Why do you find us every time? They say; fool, we have a plug-in you'd better train point long dead. Well, in the face of these I and my allies can do nothing. Then I had a look at Google's perspective map of the cheating device, ridiculous is actually to 200 dollars. ($200 to destroy all the players on a server) but I am a man of justice, I think such a person will not have a good end. So I came here to express my opinion, and to tell you that the name of their tribe is too bad for the use of the team. Their team's name is {Addictive}.

[Iron Horse]

Originally posted by #Sw!zZ.Pii:

I'm sorry if my post felt harsh, was not really intended but:

Why do you try to tell people what they should or should not play?

What I've read from title:
"Why you SHOULDN'T play Hardcore mode."

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I didn't say "Don't" play, I said why you "shouldn't".

It's an argument against. Same as why I'd argue for or against a presidential candidate. Or for or against a soft drink.

My post was a direct response to someone else's post about why you "should" play hardcore.

I let people pick their own game. I just don't want them to go in to something so difficult with the expectation that it's going to be amazeballs. Because it isn't. For the reasons outlined above.

That's like telling your kid they can be anything they want to be. Unfortunately, that's not true. Not everyone can be anything. Janitors are needed, too. (That's an analogy.)

Hopefully my post redresses some of the balance so people aren't star dazzled into thinking that Hardcore is going to be the amazing survival challenge they desire only to get frustrated time and again when hours of their work are flushed down the drain due to simple bad luck, or an enemy tribe trying to pre-emptively protect their place on the isle.

[Iron Horse]

Originally posted by kivnoi:

Primitive18; I am a new original server player. That's right. You're the one. I feel great! But I got the experience in this mode, the difference is very great. Because there is still a plug-in game player game server to wreak havoc, the heavy burden of game player will be dropped. I am in the server, the original server 18. There is a group of people, can you tell me why I am in where they all know? I trained a little more than a few dragons, and they came to kill them. More than I am a person, all of my allies on this server. Keep a few more dodo, they have been killed. Why, our position is absolutely concealed, can not be known, I take my life guarantee. Until I asked them. Why do you find us every time? They say; fool, we have a plug-in you'd better train point long dead. Well, in the face of these I and my allies can do nothing. Then I had a look at Google's perspective map of the cheating device, ridiculous is actually to 200 dollars. ($200 to destroy all the players on a server) but I am a man of justice, I think such a person will not have a good end. So I came here to express my opinion, and to tell you that the name of their tribe is too bad for the use of the team. Their team's name is {Addictive}.

...was that a warning, or a poem? Or a warning in the guise of a poem?

[Iron Horse]

Originally posted by #Sw!zZ.Pii:

No, that is not true. You call people arrogant for finding hardcore difficulty just right. YOU don't need the added challenge of losing everything - YOU. It needs skill to survive on hardcore - which is exactly the point it exists. If you run around a rock and face an Alpha Raptor, that means YOU failed and not the game. YOU don't like hardcore but what you do is try to convince people to also dislike it.

PS: presidential candidate arguments are modern propaganda and brainwashing. You can compare that to what you try.
Guy 1: "Vote this guy because of XX or you're a racist!"
Guy 2: "Vote that guy because of YY or you're an arrogant antisocial"
Me: F**k you - I won't do what you tell me.

So apparently you're now missing the obvious final quote I had made in an effort to strawman me and take what I say out of context, especially when you're taking an example I make seriously.

Ok. I think I'm done discussing it with you since you're going to be hostile and combative. Especially if you're going to imply that you can 100% of the time avoid danger that you can't even see coming. Clearly you're not in a correct frame of mind, and therefore it will be impossible to have civil discourse with you.

Thanks for your time.

[Aphotep]

Originally posted by The Kraken:

Originally posted by #Sw!zZ.Pii:

I'm sorry if my post felt harsh, was not really intended but:

Why do you try to tell people what they should or should not play?

What I've read from title:
"Why you SHOULDN'T play Hardcore mode."

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I didn't say "Don't" play, I said why you "shouldn't".

It's an argument against. Same as why I'd argue for or against a presidential candidate. Or for or against a soft drink.

My post was a direct response to someone else's post about why you "should" play hardcore.

I let people pick their own game. I just don't want them to go in to something so difficult with the expectation that it's going to be amazeballs. Because it isn't. For the reasons outlined above.

That's like telling your kid they can be anything they want to be. Unfortunately, that's not true. Not everyone can be anything. Janitors are needed, too. (That's an analogy.)

Hopefully my post redresses some of the balance so people aren't star dazzled into thinking that Hardcore is going to be the amazing survival challenge they desire only to get frustrated time and again when hours of their work are flushed down the drain due to simple bad luck, or an enemy tribe trying to pre-emptively protect their place on the isle.

So instead of simply ignoring that topic so it could just die and get forgotten, you decided to go and make a topic that' just as arrogantly stating the opposite point of view.
He likes Hardcore, but that doesn't make Hardcore a better mode.
You don't like Hardcore but you like modded. Neither does that invalidate the opinion of people who like Hardcore, nor does that mean your way of playing is any better than Hardcore.