Fish.....what to tame and tips on doing so?

[penfold0101]

5 of us have been playing as a tribe for around 600 hours per person. we are all late 70s, early 80s kinda level. we have several very handy bases and most of the stuff we need.

We decided we need some of that hot underwater loot drop action to be more efficient in some of the caves, the centipedes have caused us some proper issues since they have been introduced! we also want to be all round more bad ass!

Kibble wise we have no Spino or Quetz so no easy shark or Mosa tames.
I'm thinking we start our high level water runs with Crocs? we have kibble for those.
or are they a waste of time?

or should we just use a Croc to get a few Plesi? we have so many Rex eggs its just silly.
if so is there any where safe to get a Plesi trapped to make the tame a little easier?

If you have any tips at all of running the loot drops that would be very helpful!

Thanks guys and gals
P.

[Dark Arcanine]

Honestly, you can do an underwater run on an icthy. They are very fast and can outrun any threat easily. Also they are immune to torpor effects from the underwater scorpions.

With that said however crocs really arent a bad option. They are also pretty darn fast underwater and can keep on swimming at that speed since they don't lose stamina while in the water, also they have no oxygen so they need not surface.
And with that they can also absorb quite a lot of punishment so you can be safe with them.
Only drawback of them is that it is quite difficult to hit something as if you merely tap the forward button they jump off at full speed in the direction they are facing, not really very helpful if you want to move in slowly... But that is only a minor challenge with them.

Having had sharks, plesios and mosas I would really say leave the sharks entirely, they are at the moment not a very good underwater mount... yes they can take a punch, but their attack speed is super slow and not as devastating as their competitors.
Plesios are really fun and they remain my favourite under water mount. They are really fast and has a huge HP pool and very strong attack.
Main drawback of the plesio is a low stamina pool and slow regen rate thereof and also it takes some getting used to attacking something with that long neck.
Mosas are really actually the most powerful underwater mount and would also make for the best underwater crate collector. Much more stamina and HP than the Plesio and also much more attack damage so you will really be very safe having one of those in your arsenal.

With that said, a plesio makes for a good underwater crate runner also and also has the capability of holding his own in any fight.

Knocking one out isn't really that hard, and you do not need to even get it stuck somewhere.
Scope out the plesio you want to tame, and remember to take along a large amount of tranq bolts and narcos.
Next thing is check your surroundings first and make sure the plesio is alone (for their size, they are sneaky buggers and they usually travel in pairs of 2 or more)
Next swim down deep enough so that it gets your attention and now what you do is swim back up to gauge the ceiling of the plesio (they only swim up to a certain depth underwater before going back down)
After gauging that depth just start tranqing it by continuously swimming up and down on this depth level.
The plesio will constantly aggro and lose interest while staying relatively close.
Killed and knocked out many plesios using this method, it only failed once when a fog bank suddenly arrived and i couldn't see anything anymore.

[Kazarl]

My usual routine for getting started underwater is to tame a croc and use that to find a good mosa/plesi then job done for the underwater tame you dont really need anything special just make a mindwipe and respec so got 500 points in oxygen if you have that can easily outswim a mosa or plesi can easily knock out a max level one without taking a single hit once your used to dodging them

[penfold0101]

Thanks for the tips and tricks.
We went a bit OTT!
Tamed a couple of 100+ Crocs and a couple of decent frogs.
We made up a few building bits and then used the crystal / pearl cave in the south east corner to draw in a Plesi. walled off the entrance to the cave and knocked out the silly Nessy.

While it was taming we noticed that there was a drop location right next to the cave, so 2 of us took a swim on the Crocs and there was only a bloomin loot crate just sitting there for the taking!
Ascendant Fur chest piece in the first loot drop we open!
At over 1500 pelt to make it we are gunna need to kill a few mammoth to kit out the tribe with those! Excited by this we checked out a few more locations over a couple of hours and found a journeyman spider saddle.

Pretty successful nights play all in all.
Thanks again for the help.
P.

[Dark Arcanine]

Awesome stuff man!! Glad to have helped :)
And congrats on the Nessy and Fur armour!

One more tip, there only spawns two underwater loot chests at a time and if you find both they take roughly 45 minutes to respawn, however they might respawn in different locations from where you previously found them.

[Kazarl]

Originally posted by Shattered:

You can block off all the drops and have them spawn in the places you dont

think that only works on a pvp server

[TheyCallMeGunny]

I've got your guide. I'm ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Aquaman on my servers:

Ichthy (Dolphin)

fast, squisky, passive tames on raw meat. While I usually skip them, they can be great for a player learning the ropes. Swim to an oil node, whack it, remount and run to the surface. Much like birds, I advise leaving them on passive, as if they swim off, good luck.

Megalodon (Shark)

Your first combat mount in the waters. Easier to tame than even an ichthy (assuming youhave flippers and can outswim them.) They're decently fast, at least better than swimming on your own. They deal good damage, turn like hell (do "jousts", swim away, turn back and attack. If it gets behind you, pull back for another joust.")

Manta

Showpieces and fun. They are glass cannons. That is, they hit hard as hell, but die just as fast. In the wild, they are a nuisance, as they swim in packs and are fast enough to run down a Megalodon lacking stamina. But tamed, they are not quite so useful imho. They are basically a rival to the ichthy that hits harder.

They are tamed by passive feeding them Angler Gel. You can do this by luring them into a pen, or by using bugspray BEFORE they aggro on you. Once they've been aggroed, bug spray does nothing. Swim behind them, as if in you get in front of them, the bug spray won't save you.

Dunkleosteus (aka DUNK)

God. They eat oil rocks and get sone and oil from them. They also gather chitin quite well from other Dunks. They are the tankiest thing in the water, as they have built-in damage mitigation. This means that when they are attacked, they take less damage per hit than other dinos. A Dunk with health equivalent to a Mosa will actually survive longer, although its attacks are siginificantly weaker.

Dunks also damage stone structures in PvP.

They carry more than a bronto. They are slow. Very very slow. They are terrible with their stamina. But they are basically Ninja Bronto Catfish and they rule end-game.

Mosasaur (MOSA)

Biggest platform saddle in the game except Titanosaur. Yes, bigger than bronto. Base damage starts at 100, versus a Rex starting at 30. They also have the highest damage increase percentage per level (non giga/titanosaur obviously.)

These are actually an INCREDIBLE resource dino. Examples:

• Chitin. kill dunks. Gets LOADS.
  
• Meat. Kill anything. Ichtchy gives raw meat. Plesi and Mosa give Raw Prime only (and hide obviously.) This is a better Prime source than even a Giga, and a better hide source than even a Saber pack. That is assuming the server you are on hasn't lowered spawns, as many do on the big predators.
  
• Angler Gel (better and lighter than sparkpowder, can fuel torches, refining forges, etc. Lasts over an hour PER GEL in standing torches, gives off blue light as well.) Eat Anglers.
  
• Stone. Take a Dunk out, have a Mosa follow. Better yet, build a Dunk pen near the oil itself. Swim the Mosa to the pen, load it up (they can carry insane amounts of weight, far far more than a bronto even) and swim it back.

List goes on. Point is, they're insane. I use mine for prime jerky: Kill a few plesis and wild mosas, get a few hundred and go throw it in a grill on a raft.

Btw, worst turning in the game. Often you have to intentionally headbutt a rock to get stuck and turn in combat. But they still wreck. They just wiggle and the oceans weep.

Add a few points to speed and surface, then swim around. You won't believe how fast these can get. They have one of the best stamina regen rates in the game. Cross half the island in one run. Stop 3 seconds, ready to finish the lap.

Plesiosaur (PLESI)

A big Ichthty with a platform. Squishy as all hell. but fast. And carries moderate weight. Glass cannons, don't attempt to tank with them. They spawn in pairs, so if you find one, watch for it's mate. Also, wild ones have the largest aggro range in the game, and will pursue you often before you can even see them.

Angler

They glow. One side affect you may not be aware of: A tamed Angler's light attracts wild Anglers from a distance. Could be used to farm Gel easier, but really mostly useless. They do NOT need a saddle.

SUMMARY

I don't think I missed anything. Point is, once you can get to a Dunk/Mosa combo, you're golden. Gasoline for decades and can even take a BEAVER (yes, a Beaver) underwater with wood and thatch, go get your stone on a Dunk, and build stone underwater with ease. Yes, Beavers are deep sea divers, as in, they don't use oxygen underwater. For them, Oxygen only affects their swim speed. But they will never drown, much like a fish. Edit: Btw make sure the beaver is following you before going deep, as once you dismount, it WILL float to the surface if not set to follow you or some other fish. As long as it's following, it will never surface for air because it doesn't need it.

Also, Oxygen stat on players affects swim speed. With 300 Oxygen and flippers, I can outswim a Mosa going backwards. Makes for easy underwater taming.

A note on Plesi and Mosa (as well as Dunks in The Center map but not he Island)- They each have a "ceiling" when wild. This is a vertical height they will not pass. So if you get attacked and need to run, go up. Keep in mind, Dunks do not have a ceiling on the Island, so they'll surface. But on the Center, they will stop chasing and descend once they hit this "ceiling." Mosa have the lowest ceiling, swimming only very deep. Plesis go higher than this. And Dunks have the highest ceiling. Once tamed, these don't exist, and are only applicable to wild ones.

RIVER DINOS

SACRO (GATOR)

Don't. Just don't. They nerfed them into the ground and then some.

Spino

A water Rex. Doesn't hit as hard, but hits faster. Swims fast. Gets a damage bonus while in water (shows the swimming animation.) Not a good deep sea combat dino though, due to horrible turning and small AoE radius. Great River Guardian though.

Carbonemys (Turtle)

River Tank. They're turtles. Slow and steady. Not much else. Fun to stand on while wandering and have them lead your dodo army to glory, though (someone on my server did this, I was cracking up.)

Others

Doedies and Ankylos swim faster than they run. Beavers, too. Sometimes, if taking a long trip on a Doedicurus, it's faster to swim down the river. Don't ask me why. I just play.

TAMING TIPS

Honestly, most are just swim faster than they do and shoot them. The exception being Mosa. If you do this solo, it's all but impossible with higher levels. My tips from experience- have at least 2 guys. Find an underwater cave. The slower guy carries a gun with darts, stands where he can fire it at the entrance. The faster guy has a crossbow and a magnifying glass. Yep, he's bait. Make sure he knows his ♥♥♥♥. He chases it when it runs out of the cave, shoots arrows up it's butt and checks it's rectum with the magniffying glass to ensure good progress and not a lost cause. When he regains aggro from the Mosa, he swims back to the cave, luring it to where the guy with the rifle can dart it in the face a few times. Repeat this until it eventually runs and keeps running, where the bait guy calls out that it isn't aggoring anf both players chase it with crossbows.

If you find a good Mosa, and it is too low health to tame, feed it tames. I'm not joking. A megalodon restores about 1,000HP to a Mosa. You can even kill wild dinos (not dunks, they don't work for some reason) then make the Mosa attack YOU right next to it, and it will eat the wild one, healing it. But usually I just tame a hundreds sharks and go feed them to it,

[penfold0101]

That's a lot of underwater info there! Thanks.

I know you said don't bother with the Crocs, but they have given us the ability to start taming the Plesi.

It just a shame last night all we saw was 35s........until one of the team didn't scope both Plesi and one of the pair he cleared was a 116

But we will keep hunting and once we have 3 or 4 Plesi we will go after a Dunk and Mosa!

Thanks again
P.