After allosaurus UPDATED would be nice to see ?

[Hawky For Life]

carcharodontosaurus to be in around same size as giganotosaurus and something that we can use to beat wild giganotosaurus or other tribe who own giganotosaurus trying to raid your base but you have carcharodontosaurus
to defends against it and here link of video to see what you guys think and wild card think but to me i think it would be great for tribes vs tribes or tribes vs wilds and balance against giga https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMgRXpL6bRc

Link for picture of sizes of carcharodontosaurus vs giganotosaurus
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/184/d/5/giant_cretaceous_theropods_size_comparison_by_brolyeuphyfusion9500-d67wdmf.png

[Gear Ratio]

The therapod dino selection seems rather oversaturated at the moment. I don't really see much use for another one, especially with the Allosaurus being added very soon.

[Hawky For Life]

i do see balance between them because then we got 2 big meat eater instead of just one and that is giganotosaurus and then if added carcharodontosaurus that would be interested by tribe vs tribe using them dinos each against each other for war like

[D1craig]

since when has introducing another OP dino helped the people struggling against the other OP dinos?

[Tacalmo]

Theres already 7 large carnivores announced/ingame. (Rex, Spino, Giga, Carno, Baryonyx, Allosaurus and Megalosaurus.) And considering that realistically this island should only be able to support maybe 3 to 5 of each of these, the chances of another massive therapod being implemented is very unlikely.

[WorldPhoenix]

The size comparison is flawed For several reasons.

First, that's an outdated version. The creator has since updated the comparison. (The new version can be found here: http://pre11.deviantart.net/56f5/th/pre/f/2015/113/a/2/giant_cretaceous_theropods_size_comparison_by_brolyeuphyfusion9500-d67wdmf.png )

Second, the comparison uses the size of the largest carcharodontosaurus specimen as estimated by the creator of the image whilst using a median size for Giganotosaurus. Given that his estimate for the smaller Carcharodontosaurus is quite a bit smaller than any known Giganotosaurus specimen, using a median size, Carcharodontosaurus ends up being marginally smaller.

Third, the estimates for Carcharodontosaurus made by the creator of that image have been heavily criticized. I would take those sizes with a grain of salt.

That said, as other people have pointed out, the solution to one overpowered creature is not to introduce another equally or more overpowered creature. And we definitely do not need another theropod.

[Tanchyon]

How about a bronto sized giant turtle that eats gigas and you can build a giant ship on the back of for swimming around the island.

Actually the last half of that idea isn't half bad.

[swmark78]

Wheatley eredeti hozzászólása:

The therapod dino selection seems rather oversaturated at the moment. I don't really see much use for another one, especially with the Allosaurus being added very soon.

In theory, yes. However, The Direbear (well, Arctodus) was the largest land dwelling mammalian predator known. In game it's Carno Strength. Likewise the Argent is the strongest Avian in the game and it too is roughly Carno Strenght (though I think a version of the Terror Bird should be the strongest predator bird).

If we were to break down the creatures of Ark into tiers, theropods would fill the top three levels. The levels would be...

1. Compy (Microraptor)
2. Dilo (Troodon)
3. Raptor
4. Carno (Baryonyx)
5. None (Allosaurus)
6. Rex, Spino
7. Giga


Now we don't know if Megalosaurus will be closer to Allosaurus strength or Spino/Rex strength (though we don't really know how strong/weak Allosaurus other then it will be "between a Carno and a Rex). When you consider 1) The Island is a fairly small map with limited space for biomes , 2) how many other predators there are at roughly equal tier and 3) Ark doesn't have any land predators in the game or planned that will be more powerful than a Carno. Meaning all top land predators will be Theropods.

So what would a chart of non-Theropod land predators look like?

1. Leech, Titanomyrma
2. Hyaenodon, Purlovia
3. Araneo, Pulmonoscorpius, Sabertooth, Terror Bird, Titanoboa, Kaprosuchus, Thylacoleo
4. Direbear, Direwolf, Sarco, Megalania
5. None
6. None
7. None.

Now you can make an argument that Sarcos could be buffed or that another large Croc could be added (Purussaurus anyone?) or a large "rauisuchian" or other pre-dinosaur Archosaur predator. No only that but I think there is room for more Theropods at tiers 2, 4, 5 and 6. So...5 or 6 additional theropods, along with a few other predators. Especially depending on how big the next Official Ark is and how diverse the biomes are.

[Scanova the Carnotaurus]

First off, I don't see a real purpose for carchar to be in the official game.
Second, those dino vs videos are pure cancer, don't trust anything they say.
Third, carcharodontosaurus and giganotosaurus irl are the same size.

[RyuYokaze]

They are closely related to each other and look similar, so what's the point?

[swmark78]

MasterOfTheSooS eredeti hozzászólása:

They are closely related to each other and look similar, so what's the point?

For the Carcharodontosaurus in Ark? Probably none. I've seen a few fan-made dossiers and most say a dino between the size/strength of a T.Rex and a Giga.

[WorldPhoenix]

swmark78 eredeti hozzászólása:

Wheatley eredeti hozzászólása:

The therapod dino selection seems rather oversaturated at the moment. I don't really see much use for another one, especially with the Allosaurus being added very soon.

In theory, yes. However, The Direbear (well, Arctodus) was the largest land dwelling mammalian predator known. In game it's Carno Strength. Likewise the Argent is the strongest Avian in the game and it too is roughly Carno Strenght (though I think a version of the Terror Bird should be the strongest predator bird).

If we were to break down the creatures of Ark into tiers, theropods would fill the top three levels. The levels would be...

1. Compy (Microraptor)
2. Dilo (Troodon)
3. Raptor
4. Carno (Baryonyx)
5. None (Allosaurus)
6. Rex, Spino
7. Giga


Now we don't know if Megalosaurus will be closer to Allosaurus strength or Spino/Rex strength (though we don't really know how strong/weak Allosaurus other then it will be "between a Carno and a Rex). When you consider 1) The Island is a fairly small map with limited space for biomes , 2) how many other predators there are at roughly equal tier and 3) Ark doesn't have any land predators in the game or planned that will be more powerful than a Carno. Meaning all top land predators will be Theropods.

So what would a chart of non-Theropod land predators look like?

1. Leech, Titanomyrma
2. Hyaenodon, Purlovia
3. Araneo, Pulmonoscorpius, Sabertooth, Terror Bird, Titanoboa, Kaprosuchus, Thylacoleo
4. Direbear, Direwolf, Sarco, Megalania
5. None
6. None
7. None.

Now you can make an argument that Sarcos could be buffed or that another large Croc could be added (Purussaurus anyone?) or a large "rauisuchian" or other pre-dinosaur Archosaur predator. No only that but I think there is room for more Theropods at tiers 2, 4, 5 and 6. So...5 or 6 additional theropods, along with a few other predators. Especially depending on how big the next Official Ark is and how diverse the biomes are.

Here's the thing.

Theropods were the biggest, physically strongest terrestrial predators to have ever existed. The closest contenders are giant rauisuchians, but even the largest of those, Fasolasuchus, likely did not reach much more than 8 meters and 3 tonnes. Compare that to the collosal 12 meter+, 6 tonne+ theropods, and its no surprise theropods rule the island with an iron grip.

Also, I would hardly call Sarcosuchus, or any primarely aquatic creature, a land predator. Sarcosuchus, both in life and in-game, is most at home in the water. And in the water, well, we have plenty of stuff to rival theropods. The Mosasaurus is the strongest mount in the game that isn't crazy overpowered like the Giga and the Titanosaur. Even though in real life, the biggest mosasaurs were like around 12 meters and 3 tonnes, so I guess that goes against the size matters logic.

Either way, theropods have earned their spot as the dominant predators on land. No bird or predatory land mammal has ever come close to the raw power of their largest representatives. To have a bear as powerful as an Allosaurus would just be flat out weird, and I think most of us can agree that they don't really want that.

That said, the only natural move for the devs to make was to give the bear a swipe that deals more damage than the jaws of a T.rex whose head is practically as big as the bear's entire body, wait what, that does not make any sense, why did you do that, Wildcard?

[swmark78]

EmperorGricer eredeti hozzászólása:

swmark78 eredeti hozzászólása:

In theory, yes. However, The Direbear (well, Arctodus) was the largest land dwelling mammalian predator known. In game it's Carno Strength. Likewise the Argent is the strongest Avian in the game and it too is roughly Carno Strenght (though I think a version of the Terror Bird should be the strongest predator bird).

If we were to break down the creatures of Ark into tiers, theropods would fill the top three levels. The levels would be...

1. Compy (Microraptor)
2. Dilo (Troodon)
3. Raptor
4. Carno (Baryonyx)
5. None (Allosaurus)
6. Rex, Spino
7. Giga


Now we don't know if Megalosaurus will be closer to Allosaurus strength or Spino/Rex strength (though we don't really know how strong/weak Allosaurus other then it will be "between a Carno and a Rex). When you consider 1) The Island is a fairly small map with limited space for biomes , 2) how many other predators there are at roughly equal tier and 3) Ark doesn't have any land predators in the game or planned that will be more powerful than a Carno. Meaning all top land predators will be Theropods.

So what would a chart of non-Theropod land predators look like?

1. Leech, Titanomyrma
2. Hyaenodon, Purlovia
3. Araneo, Pulmonoscorpius, Sabertooth, Terror Bird, Titanoboa, Kaprosuchus, Thylacoleo
4. Direbear, Direwolf, Sarco, Megalania
5. None
6. None
7. None.

Now you can make an argument that Sarcos could be buffed or that another large Croc could be added (Purussaurus anyone?) or a large "rauisuchian" or other pre-dinosaur Archosaur predator. No only that but I think there is room for more Theropods at tiers 2, 4, 5 and 6. So...5 or 6 additional theropods, along with a few other predators. Especially depending on how big the next Official Ark is and how diverse the biomes are.

Here's the thing.

Theropods were the biggest, physically strongest terrestrial predators to have ever existed. The closest contenders are giant rauisuchians, but even the largest of those, Fasolasuchus, likely did not reach much more than 8 meters and 3 tonnes. Compare that to the collosal 12 meter+, 6 tonne+ theropods, and its no surprise theropods rule the island with an iron grip.

Also, I would hardly call Sarcosuchus, or any primarely aquatic creature, a land predator. Sarcosuchus, both in life and in-game, is most at home in the water. And in the water, well, we have plenty of stuff to rival theropods. The Mosasaurus is the strongest mount in the game that isn't crazy overpowered like the Giga and the Titanosaur. Even though in real life, the biggest mosasaurs were like around 12 meters and 3 tonnes, so I guess that goes against the size matters logic.

Either way, theropods have earned their spot as the dominant predators on land. No bird or predatory land mammal has ever come close to the raw power of their largest representatives. To have a bear as powerful as an Allosaurus would just be flat out weird, and I think most of us can agree that they don't really want that.

That said, the only natural move for the devs to make was to give the bear a swipe that deals more damage than the jaws of a T.rex whose head is practically as big as the bear's entire body, wait what, that does not make any sense, why did you do that, Wildcard?

While I agree that nothing can really approach Rex/Giga/Spino sized Theropods, Allosaurus is a little bit smaller. You could make an argument for Fasolasuchus, Sarco or Purussaurus to be as strong. As well as add additional Theropods (as well as buff maybe Rexes and Spinos some).

As I see it on a map larger than "The Island" and with better biome diversity that it or "The Center" you could use more Theropods. Though they would need to be 1) visually distinct, 2) be biome specific or have a special niche.

[WorldPhoenix]

swmark78 eredeti hozzászólása:

EmperorGricer eredeti hozzászólása:

Here's the thing.

Theropods were the biggest, physically strongest terrestrial predators to have ever existed. The closest contenders are giant rauisuchians, but even the largest of those, Fasolasuchus, likely did not reach much more than 8 meters and 3 tonnes. Compare that to the collosal 12 meter+, 6 tonne+ theropods, and its no surprise theropods rule the island with an iron grip.

Also, I would hardly call Sarcosuchus, or any primarely aquatic creature, a land predator. Sarcosuchus, both in life and in-game, is most at home in the water. And in the water, well, we have plenty of stuff to rival theropods. The Mosasaurus is the strongest mount in the game that isn't crazy overpowered like the Giga and the Titanosaur. Even though in real life, the biggest mosasaurs were like around 12 meters and 3 tonnes, so I guess that goes against the size matters logic.

Either way, theropods have earned their spot as the dominant predators on land. No bird or predatory land mammal has ever come close to the raw power of their largest representatives. To have a bear as powerful as an Allosaurus would just be flat out weird, and I think most of us can agree that they don't really want that.

That said, the only natural move for the devs to make was to give the bear a swipe that deals more damage than the jaws of a T.rex whose head is practically as big as the bear's entire body, wait what, that does not make any sense, why did you do that, Wildcard?

While I agree that nothing can really approach Rex/Giga/Spino sized Theropods, Allosaurus is a little bit smaller. You could make an argument for Fasolasuchus, Sarco or Purussaurus to be as strong. As well as add additional Theropods (as well as buff maybe Rexes and Spinos some).

As I see it on a map larger than "The Island" and with better biome diversity that it or "The Center" you could use more Theropods. Though they would need to be 1) visually distinct, 2) be biome specific or have a special niche.

I agree that Fasolasuchus would be a pretty sweet addition. Though I doubt it'd ever happen, mostly because of the popularity of its smaller cousin Postosuchus. The devs seem to go for popularity as often as they can, so while, yes, there are some obscure creatures in the game, they didn't exactly pick Zhuchengtyrannus for their tyrannosaur or Stegoceras for their pachycephalosaur. If they add a rauisuchian, it would probably be Postosuchus. In which case, I am doubtful they would stretch its size to Allosaurus levels (Then again, they could just make it like Gigantopithecus and make it stupidly powerful for its size).

As for the crocs, it would be very hard to make them noticably stronger than the Sarco currently is without making them either about as pointless as the Carno, or quite overpowered. If they make them a good deal stronger, then they would either have to make the saddle require a higher level (At which point, why even bother with them when you can ride a Spino just a few levels later) or they keep the saddle at the lower level, making them very overpowered for the level you can get them at. And honestly, I don't see the point of adding a croc stronger than the Sarco but weaker than the Spino. It would probably end up just being a slightly stronger Sarco. The contrast in power between it and the Sarco likely would not warrant it being added to the game. And buffing the Sarco to such a degree that it should only be ridable at a higher level would mean it changes niche from being the mid-game amphibious tank to oh, hey, I can get a Spino saddle in 10 levels!