The weather makes no sense.

[Chew]

I live in the artic zone because it's pretty. I occassionly find myself freezing to death, which is more so annoying. Keep in mind, I obviously wear fur armor. I also spent 15 levels on fortitude, to have it at 30. And STILL find myself freezing to death occasionally.
So I decided to go caving for the first time, in what I believe is called South 2. Took my Barry, found myself freezing to death to the point I couldn't do the cave.
I then go to an old base, and plant some of the crops to make some rockwells.
The crop times are garbage. Horrid. I spent over 5 hours in the area essentially doing nothing but playing with breeding, and in all that time, I just got ONLY 10 long grass, to make the breathing rockwell recipe, and the fria recipe for warmth.
At one point, I upped the crop growth to the maximum 999 in the slider menu, still getting it that slow. God awful game mechanic that even at 1000x, it's still so slow that it doesn't make sense.
Whatever though, I got the two and went back to the cave, even with full Fur Armor, 30 fortitude, and fria curry, I STILL stayed on the verge of freezing to death having to wait forever for my health to raise or I'd die. Absolutely makes no sense.
Even with sliders to the point I feel like cheating, the game is just pitiful. Trying too hard to be this overly long and difficult game. In the generic, default state, this game is just pitiful.

[Scott J.]

Adjust how much fortitude you get from a point. set it to 5 or 10.

[Samadhi]

Originally posted by Chew:

I live in the artic zone because it's pretty. I occassionly find myself freezing to death, which is more so annoying. Keep in mind, I obviously wear fur armor. I also spent 15 levels on fortitude, to have it at 30. And STILL find myself freezing to death occasionally.
So I decided to go caving for the first time, in what I believe is called South 2. Took my Barry, found myself freezing to death to the point I couldn't do the cave.
I then go to an old base, and plant some of the crops to make some rockwells.
The crop times are garbage. Horrid. I spent over 5 hours in the area essentially doing nothing but playing with breeding, and in all that time, I just got ONLY 10 long grass, to make the breathing rockwell recipe, and the fria recipe for warmth.
At one point, I upped the crop growth to the maximum 999 in the slider menu, still getting it that slow. God awful game mechanic that even at 1000x, it's still so slow that it doesn't make sense.
Whatever though, I got the two and went back to the cave, even with full Fur Armor, 30 fortitude, and fria curry, I STILL stayed on the verge of freezing to death having to wait forever for my health to raise or I'd die. Absolutely makes no sense.
Even with sliders to the point I feel like cheating, the game is just pitiful. Trying too hard to be this overly long and difficult game. In the generic, default state, this game is just pitiful.

Which map?

30 fortitude is virtually nothing mate, you'd need 100+ to have any real effect.

[Tachyon]

Thirty is nothing. No mention of an otter shoulder pet either?

[Chew]

Originally posted by Tachyon:

Thirty is nothing. No mention of an otter shoulder pet either?

Didn't know the otter did anything. But 15 whole levels, the cold made fur armor, and a special recipe, it's asinine that freezing to death is still a thing.

[Chew]

Originally posted by Samadhi:

Originally posted by Chew:

I live in the artic zone because it's pretty. I occassionly find myself freezing to death, which is more so annoying. Keep in mind, I obviously wear fur armor. I also spent 15 levels on fortitude, to have it at 30. And STILL find myself freezing to death occasionally.
So I decided to go caving for the first time, in what I believe is called South 2. Took my Barry, found myself freezing to death to the point I couldn't do the cave.
I then go to an old base, and plant some of the crops to make some rockwells.
The crop times are garbage. Horrid. I spent over 5 hours in the area essentially doing nothing but playing with breeding, and in all that time, I just got ONLY 10 long grass, to make the breathing rockwell recipe, and the fria recipe for warmth.
At one point, I upped the crop growth to the maximum 999 in the slider menu, still getting it that slow. God awful game mechanic that even at 1000x, it's still so slow that it doesn't make sense.
Whatever though, I got the two and went back to the cave, even with full Fur Armor, 30 fortitude, and fria curry, I STILL stayed on the verge of freezing to death having to wait forever for my health to raise or I'd die. Absolutely makes no sense.
Even with sliders to the point I feel like cheating, the game is just pitiful. Trying too hard to be this overly long and difficult game. In the generic, default state, this game is just pitiful.

Which map?

30 fortitude is virtually nothing mate, you'd need 100+ to have any real effect.

The Island. To spend 50 of my 104 levels on just fortitude is nonsense. Why have the stat if it's gonna suck so bad? Makes no sense.

[Chew]

Originally posted by Scott:

Adjust how much fortitude you get from a point. set it to 5 or 10.

That's an idea. While I'm adjusting some sliders, and feel like a cheater, something like that feels even more like cheating. It's preposterous to me.

[Chariot]

It does make sense, You need better quality fur, Otters help, I Love that the game makes it so that you can't instnatly beat the cold by having a fur, Even basic fur barely lets you be slightly cold at *best* conditions in most snow biomes, Also worth mentioning that ice cubing doesn't mean instant death, Even low quality fur reduces cold damage.

Nothing's stopping you from making big farms, Typically you can fit a large amount of medium crop plots in a 4x8 foundation farm, It will give you more than enough crops to make anything you need, Combine it with Greenhouse buildings and you will be generating crops extremely fast.

Edit: You don't need large crop plots for crops, Just medium ones, Big crops are for turrets, I dont believe they give any benefits over medium crop plots, And if they did, you still can also fit an extra row in so it makes it all in all better to have medium crop plots, Small for berries.

It's not pitiful, You just don't know how to adapt and use what the game gives you yet, Torches also work to warm you up, You can enable cave building (I always do this on singleplayer) and carry around a campfire, or even a couple of foundations and a fireplace or two, Doesn't weigh a ton and will let you be warm when needed, You should also be making medical brews incase you don't want to do that, Infact your first priority before caving should be getting a healthy supply of medical brews.

The reason you're dying is because south 2 has a lot of water entrances, Fur does *not* protect you from cold in the water, Make some scuba leggings, Even primitive ones will massively offset cold damage, Fur does nothing in the water.

[Liralen]

Originally posted by Chew:

I live in the artic zone because it's pretty. I occassionly find myself freezing to death, which is more so annoying. Keep in mind, I obviously wear fur armor. I also spent 15 levels on fortitude, to have it at 30. And STILL find myself freezing to death occasionally.
So I decided to go caving for the first time, in what I believe is called South 2. Took my Barry, found myself freezing to death to the point I couldn't do the cave.
I then go to an old base, and plant some of the crops to make some rockwells.
The crop times are garbage. Horrid. I spent over 5 hours in the area essentially doing nothing but playing with breeding, and in all that time, I just got ONLY 10 long grass, to make the breathing rockwell recipe, and the fria recipe for warmth.
At one point, I upped the crop growth to the maximum 999 in the slider menu, still getting it that slow. God awful game mechanic that even at 1000x, it's still so slow that it doesn't make sense.
Whatever though, I got the two and went back to the cave, even with full Fur Armor, 30 fortitude, and fria curry, I STILL stayed on the verge of freezing to death having to wait forever for my health to raise or I'd die. Absolutely makes no sense.
Even with sliders to the point I feel like cheating, the game is just pitiful. Trying too hard to be this overly long and difficult game. In the generic, default state, this game is just pitiful.

If you find yourself freezing to death overland, then don't even attempt caves in cold areas. As you no doubt have discovered, there are multiple ways to survive cold, beginning with fur armor, carrying a torch, standing next to a fire, avoid going out at night, making air conditioners in your base so you can move around in your base without needing to carry a torch/standing next to a fire, eating fria curry, and taming an otter.

With respect to crops needed to make fria curry, it's probably not worth the hassle until you can enclose the crop plots in greenhouses, which increases the yield by 300%. It is definitely worth the hassle to grow plants in crop plots long before then. Beginning with narcotics, stimulants, and kibble.

[Chew]

Originally posted by Nergigante:

It does make sense, You need better quality fur, Otters help, I Love that the game makes it so that you can't instnatly beat the cold by having a fur, Even basic fur barely lets you be slightly cold at *best* conditions in most snow biomes, Also worth mentioning that ice cubing doesn't mean instant death, Even low quality fur reduces cold damage.

Nothing's stopping you from making big farms, Typically you can fit a large amount of medium crop plots in a 4x8 foundation farm, It will give you more than enough crops to make anything you need, Combine it with Greenhouse buildings and you will be generating crops extremely fast.

Edit: You don't need large crop plots for crops, Just medium ones, Big crops are for turrets, I dont believe they give any benefits over medium crop plots, And if they did, you still can also fit an extra row in so it makes it all in all better to have medium crop plots, Small for berries.

It's not pitiful, You just don't know how to adapt and use what the game gives you yet, Torches also work to warm you up, You can enable cave building (I always do this on singleplayer) and carry around a campfire, or even a couple of foundations and a fireplace or two, Doesn't weigh a ton and will let you be warm when needed, You should also be making medical brews incase you don't want to do that, Infact your first priority before caving should be getting a healthy supply of medical brews.

The reason you're dying is because south 2 has a lot of water entrances, Fur does *not* protect you from cold in the water, Make some scuba leggings, Even primitive ones will massively offset cold damage, Fur does nothing in the water.

My friend, I get you love the game, but you cannot just dismiss what I'm saying by listing game mechanics. Fur armor designed for surviving in the cold, with 15% of standard level cap going to fortitude for weather resistance, along with a special recipe you have to kill alphas to get, and still freezing to death in under 5 minutes is garbage. No matter what the game can give you, that is asinine. Even if you can pile on top that much more.
Don't you dare try and defend the crops. Sure I could have had a ton of poop, fertilizer and plots going already. But to defend 5 hours from planting to getting JUST 10 long grass, with the crop growth sliders being set to ONE THOUSAND percent, which is the highest the game will even allow, is garbage. There's no defending a game that makes it that much of a time sink, to just get 10, at even 1k rate.
Don't fanboy, and look at this with a clear perspective.
It's the same crap as saying taming a max level rex or premium creature with red meat should actually take 24-50 hours of REAL TIME. Nobody agrees with the crap like that, so don't fanboy out and defend it.

[Chew]

Originally posted by Liralen:

Originally posted by Chew:

I live in the artic zone because it's pretty. I occassionly find myself freezing to death, which is more so annoying. Keep in mind, I obviously wear fur armor. I also spent 15 levels on fortitude, to have it at 30. And STILL find myself freezing to death occasionally.
So I decided to go caving for the first time, in what I believe is called South 2. Took my Barry, found myself freezing to death to the point I couldn't do the cave.
I then go to an old base, and plant some of the crops to make some rockwells.
The crop times are garbage. Horrid. I spent over 5 hours in the area essentially doing nothing but playing with breeding, and in all that time, I just got ONLY 10 long grass, to make the breathing rockwell recipe, and the fria recipe for warmth.
At one point, I upped the crop growth to the maximum 999 in the slider menu, still getting it that slow. God awful game mechanic that even at 1000x, it's still so slow that it doesn't make sense.
Whatever though, I got the two and went back to the cave, even with full Fur Armor, 30 fortitude, and fria curry, I STILL stayed on the verge of freezing to death having to wait forever for my health to raise or I'd die. Absolutely makes no sense.
Even with sliders to the point I feel like cheating, the game is just pitiful. Trying too hard to be this overly long and difficult game. In the generic, default state, this game is just pitiful.

If you find yourself freezing to death overland, then don't even attempt caves in cold areas. As you no doubt have discovered, there are multiple ways to survive cold, beginning with fur armor, carrying a torch, standing next to a fire, avoid going out at night, making air conditioners in your base so you can move around in your base without needing to carry a torch/standing next to a fire, eating fria curry, and taming an otter.

With respect to crops needed to make fria curry, it's probably not worth the hassle until you can enclose the crop plots in greenhouses, which increases the yield by 300%. It is definitely worth the hassle to grow plants in crop plots long before then. Beginning with narcotics, stimulants, and kibble.

I'm about to go through the hassle of green house growth, and tons of plots now. But from start to finish, even at 1k speed, it's nonsense. I do like the things such as air conditioners, I can literally stand in a room with it being negative outside with no clothes and not freeze to death, and just be cold. But it's preposterous to still freeze to death within minutes with every possible precaution under the sun.
Only thing that I could do better is just countless hours of loot crate farming, hoping to get better fur. I've gotten 1 fur blueprint out of the few hundred blueprints I got. Or respec and use like literally 50-60 levels of my 104 in just fortitude, which it shouldn't take.
This game is so so fun, but they just do so much crap to try and make it overly hard and edgy for no reason.

[retsam1]

Originally posted by Chew:

I live in the artic zone because it's pretty. I occassionly find myself freezing to death, which is more so annoying. Keep in mind, I obviously wear fur armor. I also spent 15 levels on fortitude, to have it at 30. And STILL find myself freezing to death occasionally.
So I decided to go caving for the first time, in what I believe is called South 2. Took my Barry, found myself freezing to death to the point I couldn't do the cave.
I then go to an old base, and plant some of the crops to make some rockwells.
The crop times are garbage. Horrid. I spent over 5 hours in the area essentially doing nothing but playing with breeding, and in all that time, I just got ONLY 10 long grass, to make the breathing rockwell recipe, and the fria recipe for warmth.
At one point, I upped the crop growth to the maximum 999 in the slider menu, still getting it that slow. God awful game mechanic that even at 1000x, it's still so slow that it doesn't make sense.
Whatever though, I got the two and went back to the cave, even with full Fur Armor, 30 fortitude, and fria curry, I STILL stayed on the verge of freezing to death having to wait forever for my health to raise or I'd die. Absolutely makes no sense.
Even with sliders to the point I feel like cheating, the game is just pitiful. Trying too hard to be this overly long and difficult game. In the generic, default state, this game is just pitiful.

This has been said before but let's just say it again.

1. Default game play is for 24/7 active servers with Team/Tribe play being the intended goal.


You have to use adjusted settings in single player if that doesnt suit you. It isn't cheating and having that mindset due to having been groomed to think so from other games is going to be a reoccurring issue for you with Ark. (Actually it already has been as you make this inane "feels like cheating" claims in other threads too).


So either shelve that thinking or shelve the game really.

Devs primary intention is for people to play the game the way they want by adjusting settings, admin commands, use of modded content etc.



2. If you claim that 1000x crop production speed is too slow for you then that would seem rather strange. At such a rate crop plots should be instantly full(and by full keep in mind there is a limit/cap for how much crops can be in the plot too of course).

So either you've altered some other settings causing a conflict or mods doing similar......

Also keep in mind you've not specified(since you said it was an old base) whether you were using a green house as that'll improve crop efficiency by 300% too......


3. Regarding breeding too, see point 1 and potentially point 2.


4. Fortitude is not meant to be a "get rid of temperature survival needs" unless pumpped well over 120+. Its meant to be an offset used in conjunction with clothing, torches(or similar), tames(otter etc) and more. However, depending on the map, some places can also have temperature extremes that also do not circumvent those combinations either(ragnarok's murder murder snow is the perfect example. In those cases, it is meant to be even more of an intentional deterrent.

Some caves even in the south of the island map will have cold conditions. You can even get freezing while naked in the south 2 area and not be in a cave or conversely hot.


5. At this point its time to give you a spoiler for the game: The arks are meant to test you and evolve you so to speak. This is a science fiction game where you're meant to be tested in order to escape the arks to then go to earth to try to succeed in populating it again after its catastrophies. There are also arks in the story canon that are essentially broken and their intent is to kill you more than test you.

This is a survival game and per your complaints, its seemingly like you're more of a survival relaxed type of player. Nothing wrong with that at all since most of the 90,000+ unofficial servers involve relaxed settings too.

But you need to accept that instead of what mostly seems to be a dissonance between needing relaxed settings for your caliber of play and expectations to the contrary.

There are at the time of writing this, 90,000+ people playing ark who do not have the same issues that you are because they either accept the default conditions of play or the adjust them to meet their wants.
All in all this is a end user issue with some mismatching going on, really.

[Liralen]

Originally posted by Chew:

Originally posted by Liralen:

If you find yourself freezing to death overland, then don't even attempt caves in cold areas. As you no doubt have discovered, there are multiple ways to survive cold, beginning with fur armor, carrying a torch, standing next to a fire, avoid going out at night, making air conditioners in your base so you can move around in your base without needing to carry a torch/standing next to a fire, eating fria curry, and taming an otter.

With respect to crops needed to make fria curry, it's probably not worth the hassle until you can enclose the crop plots in greenhouses, which increases the yield by 300%. It is definitely worth the hassle to grow plants in crop plots long before then. Beginning with narcotics, stimulants, and kibble.

I'm about to go through the hassle of green house growth, and tons of plots now. But from start to finish, even at 1k speed, it's nonsense. I do like the things such as air conditioners, I can literally stand in a room with it being negative outside with no clothes and not freeze to death, and just be cold. But it's preposterous to still freeze to death within minutes with every possible precaution under the sun.
Only thing that I could do better is just countless hours of loot crate farming, hoping to get better fur. I've gotten 1 fur blueprint out of the few hundred blueprints I got. Or respec and use like literally 50-60 levels of my 104 in just fortitude, which it shouldn't take.
This game is so so fun, but they just do so much crap to try and make it overly hard and edgy for no reason.

Well, after doing all that, and are still freezing to death, you have my sympathies (it never happened to me, but I had put a bit more in fortitude than 104, and if I have better blueprints for fur armor, I've never used them - it's been so long now since I played the Island or Ragnorak, which has an area which is even worse).

[Liralen]

After reading retsam1's post, I probably did have fortitude over 120 back then. I respecced out of it long ago (mindwipe tonics is another useful thing you can make).

[Liralen]

Also, the first time I played an MO was the orginal Diablo, and the first MMO was Everquest, so Ark's difficulty is a feature to me, not a bug.

[Atomicbean]

The one suggestion I will give to absolutely anyone that wants to learn to play Ark in single player.

Set your player stat values to absolute stupid amounts, and then put every extra point in crafting speed or leave them unspent, until you understand game mechanics.

I usually have most of my stats set in the 50-500 multiplier range, and then throw 1 point on each and like 90 on crafting skill.

The game's design is around multiplayer - You HAVE to change some settings if you don't want to play with others.
If you jump into Ark playing single player, leaving every single setting on default values, don't take the time to understand the few values you do change, and you expect to have a good time... you're not. Even with single player settings on, it doesn't nerf spawn rates. It doesn't nerf basic resource requirements. It doesn't lower environmental hazards. It doesn't skip general progression.

Ark is a very fun single player experience, when you take the time to understand it. To learn it. To... learn how to enjoy it.
But it requires setup and has a very real learning curve.

Jumping into solo default "official" w/e values, is sort of like jumping on a game and playing ranked pvp as your first experience. You're just... not going to have that good of a time.
But just like those games have different modes, Ark has tons of different settings you can change in order to have a better time.

Cut your taming times down. Boost your exp gains. Boost your loot quality. Boost your resource harvest rate. Improve crop values. Give yourself the ability to have 100 "levels" worth of every single stat.
Because the game is designed around playing in a group on a permanently live server.
So those default settings reflect that.

Finding basic guides to good single player settings isn't hard - There's dozens out there from people with thousands of hours in the game.

It's not "cheating" to make something functional. Even more-so than semi-similar games like Rust, Ark is designed around having a team. In single player... you don't have a team. So you can't have that one person that's speced into almost nothing but fortitude go run your cold area stuff for the team until you get access to high-tier equipment. Because you only have the 1 you. So... increase your stat values, so you can be every member of the team.