About the DDoS Attacks

[Trinity//Hexane]

You can't stop DDoS attacks. you're all making it sound simple without having knowledge of what it is and how its done... well heres an explanation (semi-explanation). It's sent through a botnet which is other peoples routers and they are sending dead packets to overload the server that's providing it for your server. They've probably bypassed the mitigation which means they have open ports and should close them or get a better host with a higher rate of mitigation or start their own server as they have lots of spare money...

One of the main issues is that you guys underestimate it its not incontrol of the dev's they don't control the servers. They DEVELOPE the game. not DEVELOPE the servers so stop blaming the wrong people

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Actually if you knew computer networking, they can control it. It's easy, just run any manner of hardware firewall with stateful packet inspection and just apply rules so remote connection that tries to send (inbound) X amount of packets in X time frame gets routed to localhost instead of the server for a period of X hours and it will automatically mitigate all ddos traffic. Most major servers use it.. and ddos attacks only succeed on small companies that don't set up adequate protection.

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Originally posted by #Sw!zZ.Pii:

Spoken like General White Knight himself.

Uh thanks for the.. insult I think? It's just facts. Big servers run ddos mitigation firewalls, it's standard internet practice.

[Varlus]

Originally posted by Heywood Jablowme:

Actually if you knew computer networking, they can control it. It's easy, just run any manner of hardware firewall with stateful packet inspection and just apply rules so remote connection that tries to send (inbound) X amount of packets in X time frame gets routed to localhost instead of the server for a period of X hours and it will automatically mitigate all ddos traffic. Most major servers use it.. and ddos attacks only succeed on small companies that don't set up adequate protection.

but you would then have the problem, that everybody with ping that is higher than said value, would be kicked off

[Varlus]

Originally posted by #Sw!zZ.Pii:

Originally posted by Heywood Jablowme:

Uh thanks for the.. insult I think? It's just facts. Big servers run ddos mitigation firewalls, it's standard internet practice.

No, no - I meant OP. Clearly he is White knighting wildcard to a point where it gets pathetic. If ddos couldn't be handled, we wouldn't be playing anything online anymore. Or actually, we wouldn't be able to use the internet at all.

thats also not true, do you people actually belive hat you are talking about, or do you just say random things just to "prove" your opinion

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Originally posted by Smittah79:

Originally posted by Heywood Jablowme:

Actually if you knew computer networking, they can control it. It's easy, just run any manner of hardware firewall with stateful packet inspection and just apply rules so remote connection that tries to send (inbound) X amount of packets in X time frame gets routed to localhost instead of the server for a period of X hours and it will automatically mitigate all ddos traffic. Most major servers use it.. and ddos attacks only succeed on small companies that don't set up adequate protection.

botnets are 1,000 - 10,000 different computers infected with malware throughout the globe and on the internet. They come from every variant of IP addresses and nations. There is no firewall that is going to stop all of the IP addresses. There are too many PCs and now smartphones who are apart of the networks. By the time a firewall is able to verify each packet it has already slowed down and compromised the network. So no it's not as simple as you describe.

I suppose you've never worked in data centers before then and watched the network admin team mitigate 2-4 million connections via large-scale ddos attacks all in real time. It can be done and it's not hard to do. And it certainly won't take down an entire network or even one server.

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Originally posted by Smittah79:

Originally posted by Heywood Jablowme:

I suppose you've never worked in data centers before then and watched the network admin team mitigate 2-4 million connections via large-scale ddos attacks all in real time. It can be done and it's not hard to do. And it certainly won't take down an entire network or even one server.

Yes I work in IT industry, this includes dealing with networks and other network engineers. Do you?

Not anymore.. I haven't since 2008, but I used to work for ThePlanet, Dallas facility back before SoftLayer bought em out, DC Tech II. So I'm kinda out of the loop.. but I've watched network team mitigate large ddos attacks with firewalls once back in 2007, most of they just applied a few rules and clicked go and firewalls did the rest automatically.. 35 mins later and it was gone with a big ddos flood of about 2-4 million connections. It was a trivial thing back then.

DDOS attacks really don't ever do much damage and are typically handled in minutes.

[GP]

Originally posted by Heywood Jablowme:

and ddos attacks only succeed on small companies that don't set up adequate protection.

What a joke, go tell Microsoft and Sony and Steam etc they are small companies.

These days with DDoS tools having attack power greater than 1Tbps any target can easily be taken down even with good levels of protection/mitigation.

[Gran]

Originally posted by Heywood Jablowme:

Actually if you knew computer networking, they can control it. It's easy, just run any manner of hardware firewall with stateful packet inspection and just apply rules so remote connection that tries to send (inbound) X amount of packets in X time frame gets routed to localhost instead of the server for a period of X hours and it will automatically mitigate all ddos traffic. Most major servers use it.. and ddos attacks only succeed on small companies that don't set up adequate protection.

Yes sure mate, you have no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clue what you're talking about.
You mean such small companies as Sony that couldn't protect her Playstation Network from a DDos for days?
Or that Akamai suffered from a ~620Gbps DDos on Brian Krebs Site which leads to the dismiss of the pro-bono protection cause of a huge monetary loss. And keep in Mind Akamai is one of the largest Provider for DDos Protection Services.
Or the fact that there are Botnets out there with a capability of >1.5 Tbps which is more then most DDos Protection Services could handle?

[Varlus]

Originally posted by #Sw!zZ.Pii:

Originally posted by Valus:

but you would then have the problem, that everybody with ping that is higher than said value, would be kicked off

I always thought ping is the tranfer speed of the packets. Didn't know it's related to ammount of packets aswell. How many packets are 128ms and how many packets are 8ms?

it may be not the same, but it is related. if you your ping is to high, the package you send, it will take to long and will be accepted as a dead package and therefor would be blocked

[Marlowe-33]

i blame donald trump myself.

[Scooby Doo]

Originally posted by #Sw!zZ.Pii:

Originally posted by Heywood Jablowme:

Uh thanks for the.. insult I think? It's just facts. Big servers run ddos mitigation firewalls, it's standard internet practice.

No, no - I meant OP. Clearly he is White knighting wildcard to a point where it gets pathetic. If ddos couldn't be handled, we wouldn't be playing anything online anymore. Or actually, we wouldn't be able to use the internet at all.

So if you try to educate the community on FACTS that make you a white knight? What reality are you living in.
If WC rents servers like some of the community does then they are stuck with the same helplessness that any of us would have. It is not like they have special access to their host companies boxes.
Clearly dude you need to open your eyes to the reality of this situation. WC is behind the eight ball. Community needs to get behind them and stop attacking them. Look at all they did before you you begun to dislike them for the DLC. They are human things happen. They have done all they have promised to date have they not. Content the community asked for is still coming. They are still pumping out amazing things that make this game different from many others.

[Scooby Doo]

Does anyone realize that this whole conversation is pointless. WC Rents their servers so they dont have access themselves to do ANYTHING. They must wait for the host company. But wait the host company has little to no access either as they also rent the equipment from a think they call it data farm? Regardless WC is at the end of that line they are just a client. So again put all the tech talk aside guys and think of the reality. WC has little they can do. I am sure what little they could do is done or considered. Lets just give WC a break for once and support them as a community.

[Toooni]

The best protection for wildcard would be ---> Do not make people angry with lack of support and delayed updates each time.

[Dimebag]

Originally posted by Dawg711:

Does anyone realize that this whole conversation is pointless. WC Rents their servers so they dont have access themselves to do ANYTHING. They must wait for the host company.

So that excuses them how ?

Originally posted by Dawg711:

But wait the host company has little to no access either as they also rent the equipment from a think they call it data farm? Regardless WC is at the end of that line they are just a client. .

I thought they owned the game , nice way of disowning their own titles issues however .

Originally posted by Dawg711:

So again put all the tech talk aside guys and think of the reality. WC has little they can do. I am sure what little they could do is done or considered.

How do you know anything you have asserted is true ? Are you employed by them or privy to insider knowledge the rest of the community is unaware of ? ....or is it more likely you are just making excuses at every turn ? ....I will go with the latter rather than the former .

Originally posted by Dawg711:

Lets just give WC a break for once and support them as a community.

You do you and I will do me .... seem's fair and logical . Let's not and keep their noses to the grindstone , so far they have proved less than trustworthy imo .

[Tanchyon]

Originally posted by #Sw!zZ.Pii:

Spoken like General White Knight himself.

It's getting hard to find threads that don't include you trying to turn every thread into a platform for your complaints.