Mutagen is a massive disappointment

[Mordeth Kai]

2 1/2 mutations worth of levels in the major stats before you start breeding might sound great if you've never super bred dinos before, but to understand my disappointment we need to go over a few things.

First, dino's can have up to 255 wild levels in a given stat, ideally you want to get at least 40 in a stat you want to mutate to that extreme.

Second, breeding is a massive time investment. Adding an incubator and a nany dino were really nice, a shame mamal and insect breeding got neglected. If you play on official servers you have a level limit of 450 which is a bit of a mixed blessing because it means you will probably only max one stat, but then you have to do it at 1x settings. Playing on a server with breeding rates boosted around 15-20x depending on the multiplier and choosing one of the easiest dinos to breed still took over half a year working at it daily, without mods. Breeding has multiple levels of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ RNG and takes an insane time investment, which desperately needs addressed.

The problem with mutagen is that it cannot be used on bred dinos, forcing players to continue sacrificing millions of babies to RNGesus to actually finish a project. If it could be used each generation it would take RNG out of the equation almost completely, it would remove the need for 1-2k breeders per line (the server admin eventually removed egg laying intervals to reduce the sheer amount of strain I was putting on it) and the piss poor frame rate that goes with having that many dinos in a small area. Sadly, this singular limitation gimps mutagen into near worthlessness.

Yay, 5 free wild levels, only 200 more to go, yipee! (Somebody kill me, please....)

Edit:

https://youtu.be/Q5Bmk6rjuq4

[Lordbufu]

Mordeth Kai eredeti hozzászólása:

Most people don't breed past getting a stat line.

But they would right, if mutagen dint suck 🤓

[Mordeth Kai]

Lordbufu eredeti hozzászólása:

Mordeth Kai eredeti hozzászólása:

Most people don't breed past getting a stat line.

But they would right, if mutagen dint suck 🤓

They would if it wasn't a a massive time sync. Are you so mentally deficient that you need someone to explain why needing to spend days or even weeks to raise a baby at base settings, tending to it every other hour if imprinting for use, on top of rng so heinous F2P gacha games get jelous might be a teensy bit of a turnoff to the average player? Do you really need someone to explain to you that when most people think 'I'm going to have to grind this endlessly for years to get it done' will almost always follow that up with 'F* that'?

[Lordbufu]

Mordeth Kai eredeti hozzászólása:

Are you so mentally deficient

Good luck with your delusional thinking, i doubt your going to find a lot of support with it 👋

[Mordeth Kai]

Lordbufu eredeti hozzászólása:

Mordeth Kai eredeti hozzászólása:

Are you so mentally deficient

Good luck with your delusional thinking, i doubt your going to find a lot of support with it 👋

Lordbufu eredeti hozzászólása:

Mordeth Kai eredeti hozzászólása:

Most people don't breed past getting a stat line.

But they would right, if mutagen dint suck 🤓

Can dish ♥♥♥♥ out but can't take it, lol.

[Lordbufu]

Mordeth Kai eredeti hozzászólása:

Can dish ♥♥♥♥ out but can't take it, lol.

Sarcasm vs projecting to insult ... 2 entirely different things

[Mordeth Kai]

Lordbufu eredeti hozzászólása:

Mordeth Kai eredeti hozzászólása:

Can dish ♥♥♥♥ out but can't take it, lol.

Sarcasm vs projecting to insult ... 2 entirely different things

Right, now the excuses, mental gymnastics, and arguing semantics, so pathetic lmao

Don't dish if you can't take

[Mordeth Kai]

I-NOCHT eredeti hozzászólása:

Gaming would be better without min maxing meta players.

You know how "meta" velonaasaurs are? They are so "meta" that my tribe leader resented me for breeding them instead of rex's and theri's for almost the entire duration of the project. They are so "meta" I got nothing but ♥♥♥♥ about their failings until they were nearly maxed out.

Do you have any idea how depressing it is two pull 2 straight all nighters in order to reach a milestone then make 3 different color schemes for temporary combined stat lines, alongside enough saddles for everyone to have 3 per color all painted to match the dinos color, just in time for christmas, only for them to be ignored for any use besides turrets? No one wanted to raise them until I 3-manned the valguero boss fight using only a single velo for DPS, that's how "meta" they are. And yuty's, they are meta but only for buffs, built for nothing but HP and stamina using only 1-2 in a fight, my tribemate bred yutys to replace the meta with his favorite mount, not because it was 'da bestest ever'.

Our projects weren't "min-maxing meta gaming", they were a labor of love, highly misunderstood even in our own tribe. So many others tried to do the same with dinos they really liked or dinos that were "meta" but only a few projects ever made it to 20 mutations stacked on individual stats, and only our two projects (and the theri's I did out of obligation and because my own OCD wanted an even number) broke past that point. Our tribe leader had himself given up on his own "meta" rex line after 3 months of continuous breeding without getting another mutation stacked, doing 100 eggs a night like the yourubers said, and he only ever got 2 mutations stacked onto melee. That's a hell of a lot of wasted time with nothing to show for it thanks to broken RNG.

If I seem a bit short with people, I'm sorry, I spent the majority of my project not only enduring broken RNG and spinning my wheels trying to break through it, but also enduring the disdain of my own tribe for wasting time on a trash dino nerfed into the ground. It wasn't until a while after my project was done and they started reaping the benefits of boss farming and after they played a crucial role in completing the master controller fight that I started getting compliments on them. So I don't have any patience for people who have little to no idea what breeding entails giving me ♥♥♥♥.

[Viking]

The answer is best eggs mod. Right now it's broken but the guy fixes it asap once they release the new dev kit. It makes every baby always have the best stats from the parent dinos, or the best stats from them up to 10 generations in the line. I refuse to even bother breeding the old way since it's release it is a MUST HAVE mod on my list. What could take months or even years of breeding you can bang out in a few hours.
Oh it can also force mammals to lay eggs so no more dumb gestation.

[necaradan666]

Sounds like you need to adjust server settings and/or use some mods like DinoStorage to auto pickup newborns to keep the grind from crushing you. I went from zero to fully mutated Rex army in about a month without even using super cheaty stuff like the S+ Mutator, just 20 females and good server settings, 60 egg hatch and 100 mature speed.

[Lordbufu]

Mordeth Kai eredeti hozzászólása:

Right, now the excuses, mental gymnastics, and arguing semantics, so pathetic lmao

Don't dish if you can't take

Pot meet kettle ...

Basically is a big 'i'm right and your wrong argument' at this point, witch is why i said what i said, you don't seem to realize that and have passed the point of being reasonable before even starting this topic (at least it looks that way to me).

In the end we don't even differ that much in terms of opinion (witch is the actual funny part to me, and the only reason i kept replying), but again your passed the point of being reasonable, so anything not inline with your opinion or expectation gets shot down.

I would have said more, but as long as your stuck on this mindset there is simply no point to discus it or argue about it, since there is no middle ground to agree on.

But feel free to rage some more, that kind of projecting, goes in one ear and exits the other.

[Mordeth Kai]

necaradan666 eredeti hozzászólása:

Sounds like you need to adjust server settings and/or use some mods like DinoStorage to auto pickup newborns to keep the grind from crushing you. I went from zero to fully mutated Rex army in about a month without even using super cheaty stuff like the S+ Mutator, just 20 females and good server settings, 60 egg hatch and 100 mature speed.

There are no server settings to adjust the RNG rates, the thing mutagen could have addressed. As to mods, the game is in a sad state when they are needed just to make things work.

[Mordeth Kai]

Lordbufu eredeti hozzászólása:

Mordeth Kai eredeti hozzászólása:

Right, now the excuses, mental gymnastics, and arguing semantics, so pathetic lmao

Don't dish if you can't take

Pot meet kettle ...

Basically is a big 'i'm right and your wrong argument' at this point, witch is why i said what i said, you don't seem to realize that and have passed the point of being reasonable before even starting this topic (at least it looks that way to me).

In the end we don't even differ that much in terms of opinion (witch is the actual funny part to me, and the only reason i kept replying), but again your passed the point of being reasonable, so anything not inline with your opinion or expectation gets shot down.

I would have said more, but as long as your stuck on this mindset there is simply no point to discus it or argue about it, since there is no middle ground to agree on.

But feel free to rage some more, that kind of projecting, goes in one ear and exits the other.

You never tried to debate anything, rather attempted to bypass debate looking for some easy 'I win', based solely on the ability to argue rather than actual knowledge of the subject. Off the top of my head you've used red herrings, appeal to tradition, bandwagon fallacy, and ad hominem fallacies towards this end, now after engaging in trash talk and getting nowhere you are trying to gaslight. You opened with disingenuous manipulative bs, and your closing with more manipulative intellectual dishonesty.

Let me be blunt, cut the crap or f* off because I have no patience for your dishonest manipulative bs.

[Rotiart]

Mordeth Kai eredeti hozzászólása:

necaradan666 eredeti hozzászólása:

Sounds like you need to adjust server settings and/or use some mods like DinoStorage to auto pickup newborns to keep the grind from crushing you. I went from zero to fully mutated Rex army in about a month without even using super cheaty stuff like the S+ Mutator, just 20 females and good server settings, 60 egg hatch and 100 mature speed.

There are no server settings to adjust the RNG rates, the thing mutagen could have addressed. As to mods, the game is in a sad state when they are needed just to make things work.

You can't change the RNG itself, but you can crank up the stat gain per mutation, which effectively will make it take far less time to mutate babies.

[Mordeth Kai]

Rotiart eredeti hozzászólása:

Mordeth Kai eredeti hozzászólása:

There are no server settings to adjust the RNG rates, the thing mutagen could have addressed. As to mods, the game is in a sad state when they are needed just to make things work.

You can't change the RNG itself, but you can crank up the stat gain per mutation, which effectively will make it take far less time to mutate babies.

Those kind of boosts can very easily get carried away. If the number generator itself didn't contain some sort of critical flaw I wouldn't have an issue with a bit of RNG thrown in the mix. The amount of power that can potentially be gained from breeding is immense, it should take a bit of effort. This is where mutagen could have been a very elegant solution of replacing a broken grind with a more consistent grind, still taking work, still taking effort, but allowing consistent results.

While I do believe that breeding needs an overhaul and re-balance (especially in regards to relative gains vs effort required from dino to dino), I'm not looking for some kind of quick easy win. I want something balanced that works, and the thing I just can't seem to get through to people is that the number generator has a critical flaw, making the RNG into something far more heinous than it should be. When I say it jumps from needing 500 eggs at most to suddenly needing thousands that's not hyperbole, unfortunately the ridiculous base timers keep most people from venturing in deep enough to see that and the flaw goes unnoticed and unaddressed.

[Gmacx]

hey