Crossbow vs longneck rifle

[󠁳 ⁧Silverwing]

I have a 250% crossbow and recently i got my my hands on a good longneck rifle with 300%. I tested both of them on parasaur with tranq arrow and tranq dartz, yet the crossbow did more damage. How is the crossbow dealing more exactly?

[󠁳 ⁧Silverwing]

Mastercraft crossbow 250% does more torpor than an ascendant longneck rifle 300%

[Witti]

Arrows just deal way more damage, because they are basically just bigger darts. Dunno about the torpor.

[󠁳 ⁧Silverwing]

Originally posted by SergeantFluffy:

Arrows just deal way more damage, because they are basically just bigger darts. Dunno about the torpor.

Why would anyone need a longneck rifle or tranq dartz if a crossbow deals more torpor? Makes no sense

[TͤͣͬearOfTheSͭͣͬtar]

Cuz tranq/shock darts deal way less direct damage to dino's health. You can easily kill a dino with tranq arrows from high quality crossbow.

[Lazarus {FATE}]

Originally posted by 🤍⁧⁧ Tenshi:

Originally posted by SergeantFluffy:

Arrows just deal way more damage, because they are basically just bigger darts. Dunno about the torpor.

Why would anyone need a longneck rifle or tranq dartz if a crossbow deals more torpor? Makes no sense

Cause realistically anyone can load a rifle but a crossbow needed some strength but In game it's most likely for progression and preference, also used for shock darts.

[󠁳 ⁧Silverwing]

Originally posted by TͤͣͬearOfTheSͭͣͬtar:

Cuz tranq/shock darts deal way less direct damage to dino's health. You can easily kill a dino with tranq arrows from high quality crossbow.

Never have i killed anything with it. Maybe direbears could die but overall crossbow is always better then? Its so much cheaper + more damage. Almost never you need to tame something like a direbear

[♡ Sophiaha ♡]

crossbows do more damage to health and less torpor, where as longnecks do less damage and more torpor

[Charcharodonto]

large arrow coated in tranquilizer
Dart that injects tranquilizer on hit.

Guess which would deal more raw damage.

However. a 100% crossbow deals 157.5 torpor per shot (instant torpor+torpor over time)
a 100% longneck deals 221 torpor.

In terms of sheer torpor, darts are better.

In terms of resources a good quality crossbow will serve better until you reach a point where metal, gunpowder and narcotics are a non issue

[[BRTD]Luewen]

Originally posted by 🤍⁧⁧ Tenshi:

Mastercraft crossbow 250% does more torpor than an ascendant longneck rifle 300%

Incorrect. 100% tranq arrow with cross does 157 torpor. 70 instant and 87.5 over time.
100% longneck rifle and tranq dart does 221 torpor. 156 instant and 65 over time.

And you can calculate higher damage versions from there.

[margalus]

Originally posted by 🤍⁧⁧ Tenshi:

Originally posted by TͤͣͬearOfTheSͭͣͬtar:

Cuz tranq/shock darts deal way less direct damage to dino's health. You can easily kill a dino with tranq arrows from high quality crossbow.

Never have i killed anything with it. Maybe direbears could die but overall crossbow is always better then? Its so much cheaper + more damage. Almost never you need to tame something like a direbear

Tame something other than a bear... there are a lot of animals that will be killed if using 🏹 arrows

[󠁳 ⁧Silverwing]

Originally posted by margalus:

Originally posted by 🤍⁧⁧ Tenshi:

Never have i killed anything with it. Maybe direbears could die but overall crossbow is always better then? Its so much cheaper + more damage. Almost never you need to tame something like a direbear

Tame something other than a bear... there are a lot of animals that will be killed if using 🏹 arrows

such as?

[Onyx]

Anglers, low hp roll dinos, argys, etc. Mainly depends on their health roll.

[Graf Schokola]

Originally posted by BRTDLuewen:

100% longneck rifle and tranq dart does 221 torpor. 156 instant and 65 over time.

And you can use shocking darts with the longneck.
at 100%: 442 torpor (312 instant and 130 over time)

[󠁳 ⁧Silverwing]

Originally posted by Graf Schokola:

Originally posted by BRTDLuewen:

100% longneck rifle and tranq dart does 221 torpor. 156 instant and 65 over time.

And you can use shocking darts with the longneck.
at 100%: 442 torpor (312 instant and 130 over time)

shocking darts are hard to gather... i can just use my tranq arrows which are cheap and also shoots faster, so i can take down any tame with it faster

[Stephen]

Originally posted by 🤍⁧⁧ Tenshi:

Originally posted by SergeantFluffy:

Arrows just deal way more damage, because they are basically just bigger darts. Dunno about the torpor.

Why would anyone need a longneck rifle or tranq dartz if a crossbow deals more torpor? Makes no sense

It's only true when comparing with the same weapon, for example 300% dart makes more damage and torpor than 100% dart; otherwise dealing more damage doesn't mean more torpor, torpor-damage ratio matters. Darts have higher of that than arrows.

Originally posted by 🤍⁧⁧ Tenshi:

shocking darts are hard to gather... i can just use my tranq arrows which are cheap and also shoots faster, so i can take down any tame with it faster

Dealing more damage can be problematic if target dino has low health-torpor ratio, such as argent.

And for the claim that it tame faster if it shoots faster is not necessarily true. Referring to the table:
https://ark.fandom.com/wiki/Tranq_Arrow
Under primitive quality, dart does 40% more total torpor than arrow, and over 2x amount of instant torpor with 10 damage less. On solo tame the cancel-stacking of over-time torpor of dart doesn't matter since longneck takes nearly the same amount of time to reload. So, even if you can shoot faster with crossbow, you still need to wait for the over-time torpor to build up, plus the total torpor is much less than dart, hence slower.