ARK: Survival Evolved

ARK: Survival Evolved

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Mesond Jul 26, 2021 @ 8:09pm
The sea makes you less thirsty?
This seems like such an oversight that could have easily been fixed or otherwise explained.

It's the sea. Right? As in the stuff that has salt and makes us more thristy when we drink from it.

We also have rivers. Drinking from this is fine. Which makes sense.

The games seems to consider "Water as water". But couldn't they have just made X water and Y water and have the X water in the sea with Y water outside of the sea? That is to say X water would be "salt water" (not drinkable) and Y could be "Rivers/wells" (drinkable).

Or have a note for why the water isn't salty or something. That can work too. Considering "Ark tech". We have barriers as the edge of the sea, it could be stated that it keeps the water fresh. But then we have to take into account the sea life itself.
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klassakla Jul 26, 2021 @ 8:20pm 
Oh don’t say anything, ark is hard enough as it is. But I get it, I thought this too when I first started playing.
Vesuvius Jul 26, 2021 @ 8:41pm 
You are wandering around amongst dinosaurs and other fantastic beast, with a thing in your arm and alien floaty things in the sky.... and you want to mention how silly it is that you can drink sea water?.... hmm 🤔
Dradiin Jul 26, 2021 @ 8:53pm 
Originally posted by Vesuvius:
You are wandering around amongst dinosaurs and other fantastic beast, with a thing in your arm and alien floaty things in the sky.... and you want to mention how silly it is that you can drink sea water?.... hmm 🤔

This, Maybe its all fresh water ? I mean the ARKs are engineered by something.
Mesond Jul 26, 2021 @ 8:53pm 
Originally posted by Vesuvius:
You are wandering around amongst dinosaurs and other fantastic beast, with a thing in your arm and alien floaty things in the sky.... and you want to mention how silly it is that you can drink sea water?.... hmm 🤔

Yes. Because the rest makes immersive sense. The game goes out of its way to do things as immersively as possible when it can. And there's lore reasons for what you mentioned.

Considering we have to cook our food...
retsam1 Jul 26, 2021 @ 9:17pm 
Originally posted by Taramafor:
Originally posted by Vesuvius:
You are wandering around amongst dinosaurs and other fantastic beast, with a thing in your arm and alien floaty things in the sky.... and you want to mention how silly it is that you can drink sea water?.... hmm 🤔

Yes. Because the rest makes immersive sense. The game goes out of its way to do things as immersively as possible when it can. And there's lore reasons for what you mentioned.

Considering we have to cook our food...


Your lack of understanding what this game is actually is what is making you come to these conclusions.

Sorry but its spoilers time.

The Ark(s) are artificial constructs. You, all creatures, terrain etc are all artificially created. You'll learn why as you progress with game.

All water on the arks are drinkable by survivors. There are essentially no "seas" on the arks in the real world sense that you wish to superimpose on things.
Mesond Jul 26, 2021 @ 9:24pm 
Originally posted by retsam1:
Originally posted by Taramafor:

Yes. Because the rest makes immersive sense. The game goes out of its way to do things as immersively as possible when it can. And there's lore reasons for what you mentioned.

Considering we have to cook our food...


Your lack of understanding what this game is actually is what is making you come to these conclusions.

Sorry but its spoilers time.

The Ark(s) are artificial constructs. You, all creatures, terrain etc are all artificially created. You'll learn why as you progress with game.

All water on the arks are drinkable by survivors. There are essentially no "seas" on the arks in the real world sense that you wish to superimpose on things.

As you stated, the reasons for why the things in the game are as they are (for the most part) have immersive reasons for them. As you just said.

But not once have I seen any kind of explanation in the game for the sea quencing your thirst. Artifical or not. We know we're on an ark, so we can speculate/theorize that the ark could be having the sea as drinking water. But as I stated earlier this also factors in the "sea life" (don't sharks need salt water to survive? Even if they might be made). At no point in the game does the game confirm or deny why this is. Yet it will explain pretty much everything else.

So explain to me at what point the game mentions sea water in any capacity. Since you claimed the game will explain it. I think you're making assumptions because we're on an ark. But nothing is confirmed one way or another from what I've seen.
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retsam1 Jul 26, 2021 @ 9:33pm 
The more you keep thinking its a sea, the more you're just going to go round and round frustrating yourself.

You're on an ark hoving in space above a destroyed earth in the far future. Think on the place as a star trek replicator meets holodeck if you will. Everything in the arks are designed to not only test survivors(created by the same system by the way) to eventually determine whether the planet can be re-terraformed. When you beat the overseer boss from the island map you learn about the arks being above said earth and if you translate the language from the spacestation the overseer is located in(above the ark) you'll learn more.

Each progression between the story canon maps reveals more info on things either in a similar fashion or through other explorer notes. Eventually you'll progress to the extinction map(on earth), beat the bosses there and see the arks return to the planet to re-terraform through cutscenes.

Again, its not a "sea". Its just plain water. Megalodons, the fish, and more are designed by the arks to use the water on the arks. Ranting about immersion in a science fiction game where there are also unicorns dragons wyverns and more and making your focus about debating whether the water should be "sea water" is, quite frankly, silly.

If you cannot suspend your disbelief due to this and accept it for what it is, well, thats mainly then a user end issue. *Shrug*
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Dradiin Jul 26, 2021 @ 9:42pm 
On a side note, arguing with Retsam1 about ARK is beyond silly....
zerassar Jul 26, 2021 @ 9:45pm 
Not all sharks require salt water.
Bull sharks are well known for being able to live inland in fresh water rivers.

That aside, everything on the Ark is genetically engineered. So even if megalodon's historically required salt water... Well these are not historical megalodons.
Dradiin Jul 26, 2021 @ 9:47pm 
Originally posted by zerassar:
Not all sharks require salt water.
Bull sharks are well known for being able to live inland in fresh water rivers.

That aside, everything on the Ark is genetically engineered. So even if megalodon's historically required salt water... Well these are not historical megalodons.
LOL they are not even close to the same size as 1, Closer to modern day great whites.
retsam1 Jul 26, 2021 @ 10:03pm 
Originally posted by Dradiin:
Originally posted by zerassar:
Not all sharks require salt water.
Bull sharks are well known for being able to live inland in fresh water rivers.

That aside, everything on the Ark is genetically engineered. So even if megalodon's historically required salt water... Well these are not historical megalodons.
LOL they are not even close to the same size as 1, Closer to modern day great whites.


Which he wasn't throwing into contention...



Originally posted by Dradiin:
On a side note, arguing with Retsam1 about ARK is beyond silly....


I recognize your wish to be contrarian(as also evidenced with your response to zer), but the OP can simply read the wiki's about the story canon, watch a plethora of videos on the subject too, and understand what the game is about. He doesn't have rely on my responses about the subject either.
Last edited by retsam1; Jul 26, 2021 @ 10:03pm
Dagoth Earth Jul 26, 2021 @ 10:22pm 
The game employs the "It's a simulation" copout, thus rendering any appeals to realist logic completely redundant (since the creator of the simulation gets to pick and choose what realism applies and doesn't apply to it).
Ferchi Jul 26, 2021 @ 10:29pm 
i've saw titanousaurs fliying and you want some immersive sense.... is just a game with like 10% of physics and reality, just enjoy the game
Dradiin Jul 26, 2021 @ 11:09pm 
Originally posted by retsam1:
Originally posted by Dradiin:
LOL they are not even close to the same size as 1, Closer to modern day great whites.


Which he wasn't throwing into contention...



Originally posted by Dradiin:
On a side note, arguing with Retsam1 about ARK is beyond silly....


I recognize your wish to be contrarian(as also evidenced with your response to zer), but the OP can simply read the wiki's about the story canon, watch a plethora of videos on the subject too, and understand what the game is about. He doesn't have rely on my responses about the subject either.

Mainly just agreeing with the poster about the sharks sizes, and actually complimenting you retsam1. Oh welll no good deed....
Mesond Jul 27, 2021 @ 4:01am 
Originally posted by retsam1:
The more you keep thinking its a sea, the more you're just going to go round and round frustrating yourself.

You're on an ark hoving in space above a destroyed earth in the far future. Think on the place as a star trek replicator meets holodeck if you will. Everything in the arks are designed to not only test survivors(created by the same system by the way) to eventually determine whether the planet can be re-terraformed. When you beat the overseer boss from the island map you learn about the arks being above said earth and if you translate the language from the spacestation the overseer is located in(above the ark) you'll learn more.

Each progression between the story canon maps reveals more info on things either in a similar fashion or through other explorer notes. Eventually you'll progress to the extinction map(on earth), beat the bosses there and see the arks return to the planet to re-terraform through cutscenes.

Again, its not a "sea". Its just plain water. Megalodons, the fish, and more are designed by the arks to use the water on the arks. Ranting about immersion in a science fiction game where there are also unicorns dragons wyverns and more and making your focus about debating whether the water should be "sea water" is, quite frankly, silly.

If you cannot suspend your disbelief due to this and accept it for what it is, well, thats mainly then a user end issue. *Shrug*

What I'm looking for here are facts. Not excuses and changes of topic. If anything is frustrating me is you talking "round and round". Not me. You're projecting yourself onto me. And chances are you don't realise you're doing it.

First, I am not frustrated. I am quite calm. You seem to lack confidence in your counter argument. "artificially created" has some weight but "game" does not. "Game" is just a another way of saying the game does NOT have the answer and that you have no clue (just admit it already). Either it does or it does not. But spare me the excuses.

So, first and foremost. Does the game itself answer the question or not? And if so where and why? We're not talking about dragons or wyverns. We're talking about JUST the water. That's it. Don't make this about something it's not. This is an immersive game, with immersive game mechanics. Even if it also has out there things in it as well. But the inclusion of one does not make the other moot. Hell, there are games with much less depth that would make the difference of water clear. So if anything your argument backfires because of that.

If "Suspend your disbelief" is the best you can do then it only shows how weak your counter argument is. If you're going to make a counter argument in regards to artificial then stick what that. Don't roll off topic and become dismissive.

Is it affected? (clearly it is). If so, why? And most importantly, how? Because this brings us back to other factors at play. Like ARK systems working differently then they're supposed too. Which in turn brings us to element and Rockwell.

Personally I chalk it down to either an oversight or a coding issue. Though I could be mistaken. Hence this thread. I wasn't speaking metaphorically when I said "Water is water" (from a coding perspective). I think I understand just fine. I play countless games that answer such simple basic questions on a daily bases. Both "sci fi and silly" and not.

Not all sharks require salt water.
Bull sharks are well known for being able to live inland in fresh water rivers.

That aside, everything on the Ark is genetically engineered. So even if megalodon's historically required salt water... Well these are not historical megalodons.

I didn't know that (the shark bit that is). It's quite possible that the "sea" life can be designed to survive changes of environments. But if that is indeed the case then why is there never a note covering it? Seems like something the devs would have added in if they considered it. Though if considered (eg: made aware) they might add in a lore reason for it. They could for example mention it in the show they're making at some point. hypothetically. If it is an oversight then we can still find/invent a way to answer it. Clearly its artificial (duh). But how and to what end?

Let's say that they can bio engineer anything they want, to be what it wants (to an extent). If so then why have different biomes in ARKs at all? They have to test different conditions. Isn't the whole point of the ARK (at least the island one) to test different species in different environments? I mean you'd think that would surely include salt water wouldn't you? Considering we got lava and swamps of all things. I somehow doubt the devs were ignorant of this detail. So I can only come to the conclusion that for whatever reason it was inconvenient to Separate water into two types. So either the devs got lazy in that area or they struggled with it. Which seems like the more likely scenario to me. And yet they make us make sparkpowder before we can make gunpowder. Maybe they thought players would get confused too easily when looking at water and decided not to have any difference. Since it looks exactly the same.

All I have here are theories and speculation. Anyone know if there's an official dev reason for it? Either form their mouths or clearly shown in game somehow. If not then that's fine.

Either way it's fun to think about how ARKs get slowly more wonky as they become more and more corrupt.
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