Stupid game...No instructions. No tutorial.

[Gentleman Jack]

Game has potential but with no guide of some sort, tutorial or maybe instructions I'm not going to get frustrated trying to figure out a game that should have come with some sort of direction. Glad they're not getting any of my money.

[dino]

The fact that your making sure you replay back to people who is just saying to look up a video there is no in-game tutorial is making me belive that you've just wrote this just to get attention. Kinda sad might need to find a better hobby.

[Jaggid Edje]

Originally posted by Dinokiller120:

The fact that your making sure you replay back to people who is just saying to look up a video there is no in-game tutorial is making me belive that you've just wrote this just to get attention. Kinda sad might need to find a better hobby.

If you look at his post history, he pretty much doesn't post to the forums of ANY game other than this kind of stuff. Leading me to believe he's not really a gamer...just a troll.

[POMMESPANZER]

I'm sure they're happy with the money they've already gotten.

[graviphoton]

Personally, I also think that ARK should have built-in help, which will acquaint the player with the environment, controls, and mechanics (pictures in menu are parody on help). The form could be different, from displaying help messages to live training in an isolated environment.
And I definitely do not agree that everything in ARK is straightforward and intuitive. When I started with ARK in 2016, it was my first survival game and everything was new to me. Iin fact, I almost gave up after beiing killed again and again and again... within a minute from spawn. In this way you can not learn anything.

[Pisaro]

Originally posted by graviphoton:

Personally, I also think that ARK should have built-in help, which will acquaint the player with the environment, controls, and mechanics (pictures in menu are parody on help). The form could be different, from displaying help messages to live training in an isolated environment.
And I definitely do not agree that everything in ARK is straightforward and intuitive. When I started with ARK in 2016, it was my first survival game and everything was new to me. Iin fact, I almost gave up after beiing killed again and again and again... within a minute from spawn. In this way you can not learn anything.

You can. When I start to play ark I know nothing. Get killed, killed and killed again, like you. After some hours I do learning by doing.

[isw0412™]

I am not saying there shouldn't be a tutorial*.
I do not remember having a struggle to learn anything ALTHOUGH I started playing when the game first came out so I kind a learned as stuff was added. If I didn't know something for instance how to get organic polymer I would Youtube it (back in the day I did LOL). If you are the type that comes from a FPS game and just wanna jump in and GO you will definitely hate ark at the start without a tutorial. I tutorial for basics like a quick run through of the hud, engrams, character stats, all that good stuff and that would be it. I feel like much past that a YT video is going to explain stuff better.
Frankly I think there is a bigger picture here if your looking to hook new players... give them an environment where they aren't getting bashed by a massive tribe. New guy logs into an official server and all he/she sees is a map covered in structures. Official servers are old and stale. Most of who play are the committed die hard ARK guys (that control the Oservers anyway). At some point you have to wipe a server or make a better decay system. I see a tribe of 2 with bases covering the map all they have to do is log in every 2 weeks for .0001 seconds and the decay timer across the map renews. (or it used to be that way).
Tutorial would be excellent for hooking a few more people on the game, but I feel the "first impression" they get when they log in is the server is being dominated by another player. (But I suppose the tutorial for some new guys plays into that "First impressions" category)

[graviphoton]

Yes some people can learn it is unplayable game. ;-) And that would be a pity.
I do not think survival game should be about learning keys (by testing each key on keyboard) and displays and basic interaction with environment. In real life you already know how to control your arms, your legs, your mouth, your eyes, how to recognize if you are hungry, thirsty, or tired and how to eat or drink...

[retsam1]

Originally posted by isw0412™:

I am not saying there shouldn't be a tutorial*.
I do not remember having a struggle to learn anything ALTHOUGH I started playing when the game first came out so I kind a learned as stuff was added. If I didn't know something for instance how to get organic polymer I would Youtube it (back in the day I did LOL). If you are the type that comes from a FPS game and just wanna jump in and GO you will definitely hate ark at the start without a tutorial. I tutorial for basics like a quick run through of the hud, engrams, character stats, all that good stuff and that would be it. I feel like much past that a YT video is going to explain stuff better.
Frankly I think there is a bigger picture here if your looking to hook new players... give them an environment where they aren't getting bashed by a massive tribe. New guy logs into an official server and all he/she sees is a map covered in structures. Official servers are old and stale. Most of who play are the committed die hard ARK guys (that control the Oservers anyway). At some point you have to wipe a server or make a better decay system. I see a tribe of 2 with bases covering the map all they have to do is log in every 2 weeks for .0001 seconds and the decay timer across the map renews. (or it used to be that way).
Tutorial would be excellent for hooking a few more people on the game, but I feel the "first impression" they get when they log in is the server is being dominated by another player. (But I suppose the tutorial for some new guys plays into that "First impressions" category)

"Getting bashed by a massive tribe" isnt something a tutorial warrants because:

1. PVP is a choice. Less than half the player base play pvp/pvpve servers.
2. PVP on official forums is a self marginalized minority compared to unofficial servers. The issues on this point you complain about are a non issue on many unofficial servers.
3. If someone never learned from pvp from other games that groups working together are pretty much always going to reduce small group folks or soloers to pulp, then that too is something that, like in other games, is experientially learned.
4. There are apocalypse servers on official that are pvp and wipe every 30 days and thus countering your "stale" complaint. Also many unofficial servers do various degrees of wipes or "seasons", especially pvp and rp servers.
5. Decay system is fine again non issue on various unofficial servers too(some do not even implement decay and others due to the frequency of their intended wipes make decay pointless too. There are all sorts of colors of the rainbow in this regard.
6. Ark is an open world sandbox game. Not an FPS. People who bring preconceived notions from other games like fps ones are doing so at their own risk.

[isw0412™]

Originally posted by retsam1:

Originally posted by isw0412™:

I am not saying there shouldn't be a tutorial*.
I do not remember having a struggle to learn anything ALTHOUGH I started playing when the game first came out so I kind a learned as stuff was added. If I didn't know something for instance how to get organic polymer I would Youtube it (back in the day I did LOL). If you are the type that comes from a FPS game and just wanna jump in and GO you will definitely hate ark at the start without a tutorial. I tutorial for basics like a quick run through of the hud, engrams, character stats, all that good stuff and that would be it. I feel like much past that a YT video is going to explain stuff better.
Frankly I think there is a bigger picture here if your looking to hook new players... give them an environment where they aren't getting bashed by a massive tribe. New guy logs into an official server and all he/she sees is a map covered in structures. Official servers are old and stale. Most of who play are the committed die hard ARK guys (that control the Oservers anyway). At some point you have to wipe a server or make a better decay system. I see a tribe of 2 with bases covering the map all they have to do is log in every 2 weeks for .0001 seconds and the decay timer across the map renews. (or it used to be that way).
Tutorial would be excellent for hooking a few more people on the game, but I feel the "first impression" they get when they log in is the server is being dominated by another player. (But I suppose the tutorial for some new guys plays into that "First impressions" category)

"Getting bashed by a massive tribe" isnt something a tutorial warrants because:

1. PVP is a choice. Less than half the player base play pvp/pvpve servers.
2. PVP on official forums is a self marginalized minority compared to unofficial servers. The issues on this point you complain about are a non issue on many unofficial servers.
3. If someone never learned from pvp from other games that groups working together are pretty much always going to reduce small group folks or soloers to pulp, then that too is something that, like in other games, is experientially learned.
4. There are apocalypse servers on official that are pvp and wipe every 30 days and thus countering your "stale" complaint. Also many unofficial servers do various degrees of wipes or "seasons", especially pvp and rp servers.
5. Decay system is fine again non issue on various unofficial servers too(some do not even implement decay and others due to the frequency of their intended wipes make decay pointless too. There are all sorts of colors of the rainbow in this regard.
6. Ark is an open world sandbox game. Not an FPS. People who bring preconceived notions from other games like fps ones are doing so at their own risk.

#1 You are right it is a choice, but most official PVE servers are covered with pillars.
#2 I am not talking about unofficial. More than likely a new guy will go Single player or Official.
#3 Never said PVP wasn't an obtained skill.
#4 The Arkpocalypse servers do not seem to come up (for me anyway). They might come up for others.
#5 Again a new guy is more than likely going solo play or on an official server.
#6 you have to understand there is a large community that plays FPS games. Someone might get referred by a friend to give ark a try or they might see a cool YT vid of a massive raid - so making it simple or hooking that new guy on the game might prove vital for financial reasons. You have to tap into the market.

[retsam1]

Originally posted by isw0412™:

Originally posted by retsam1:

"Getting bashed by a massive tribe" isnt something a tutorial warrants because:

1. PVP is a choice. Less than half the player base play pvp/pvpve servers.
2. PVP on official forums is a self marginalized minority compared to unofficial servers. The issues on this point you complain about are a non issue on many unofficial servers.
3. If someone never learned from pvp from other games that groups working together are pretty much always going to reduce small group folks or soloers to pulp, then that too is something that, like in other games, is experientially learned.
4. There are apocalypse servers on official that are pvp and wipe every 30 days and thus countering your "stale" complaint. Also many unofficial servers do various degrees of wipes or "seasons", especially pvp and rp servers.
5. Decay system is fine again non issue on various unofficial servers too(some do not even implement decay and others due to the frequency of their intended wipes make decay pointless too. There are all sorts of colors of the rainbow in this regard.
6. Ark is an open world sandbox game. Not an FPS. People who bring preconceived notions from other games like fps ones are doing so at their own risk.

#1 You are right it is a choice, but most official PVE servers are covered with pillars.
#2 I am not talking about unofficial. More than likely a new guy will go Single player or Official.
#3 Never said PVP wasn't an obtained skill.
#4 The Arkpocalypse servers do not seem to come up (for me anyway). They might come up for others.
#5 Again a new guy is more than likely going solo play or on an official server.
#6 you have to understand there is a large community that plays FPS games. Someone might get referred by a friend to give ark a try or they might see a cool YT vid of a massive raid - so making it simple or hooking that new guy on the game might prove vital for financial reasons. You have to tap into the market.

1. Again. Choices. Majority do not play official servers be it pvp or pve so pillaring as well is a non issue.

2. Players go all over to start with. Those that go to official quickly understand the issues that are -intentional- choices by the devs for their servers. However the devs strongly want/encourage people to not play official as well(after all they want folks to play modded content and pay 4k a month stipends to various modders for doing so since as you know, half the dlcs are from mods and they (sans orionsun) are devs at wc now.

3. My point was experiential learning. Tutorials in the manner that you are erroneously thinking on are actually part of the experiential learning process by which the devs intend players to deal with experiences they encounter... especially on their official servers. They specifically groomed the conditions there after all.

4. They're there. If you're attempting to also use the in game server listing system, its antiquated and cannot comprehensively list the 50k+ servers out there be they official or unofficial(1300ish are official(thats also including legacy) and the rest are unofficial btw. Most people who have been around for a while now use battlemetrics website search system since it is the most comprehensive search system for ark servers and has more search filter options. Its case sensitive too but here you go: https://www.battlemetrics.com/servers/ark?features%5B2e079b9a-d6f7-11e7-8461-83e84cedb373%5D=true&sort=-players&q=ARKpocalypse

5. Again the distribution as a new player to where they go is anecdotal at best because we do not have access to the raw data that would speak to this. However, as I said, when going to official especially, players tend to quickly move on(unless desiring to stay because the conditions match them for what ever reason). Again this is why there are so many not playing on official servers.

6. I'm perfectly aware of those who play fps games. It is quite frankly not relevant because, again, this isnt an fps game. You're seemingly entrenched in your preconceived notions you've evidently brought from those experiences and have expectations that Ark should follow suit. Sorry, your wants do not match the reality of what the game is nor what the devs intend. Back in 2017, there were already over 12 million units sold of ark. Ark on steam still remains in the top ranks of player concurrency. You seem to be obsessed with hooking players specifically from fps games (which based on experiences here with ranters and malcontents over the years, the evidence has been compelling they're one of the larger segments that cause shenanigans as well but of course no exclusively so). Ark isn't in a chicken little situation with needs to overly market and hook players from that genre as you seem to feel is needed.

But if you really wish to have your horn heard, forums here are not the place for it because devs also intentionally do not interact on the forums here except to post patch notes and community news blurbs. Twitter, their new discord, reddit, and the official forums in that descending order are your best bets but don't be disappointed when your wants still receive little or no recognition.

[isw0412™]

Thank you for the sever listing dilly bobber. I am not going to argue with you. You fail to see the reason why you must appeal to every possible community that you can (although you can't please everyone). This game isn't a monthly payment, this game isn't a new skin DLC every week - they rely on the purchase of the DLC they have and the base game. If you don't try to pull in as many as you can you will fail or you must come up with a new gig for the game. (business and marketing is a dog eat dog world your gonna learn that before long). You might be surprised to look around to find many people are FPS players or come from an FPS back-round especially if you were born before 1990. Even kids now - look at the millions of kids that play FPS games. Why wouldn't you try to appeal to them? Then they go ask their parents "hey will you buy me this game" whether they decline or accept is unknown. Again you also fail to see a new guy (especially kids) go into this game hop on either official or solo - that's just the reality of it. A new guy doesn't get on and say I want to play unofficial servers. I simply do not have the patience to sit here and argue further, you've clearly got your own opinion (nothing wrong with that).

This has already gotten off-topic. You have your opinion and I have mine. Only god knows who's right or if any of us are for that matter. ;)

[jamesdagmond]

What do you need a tutorial for? Game is stupid easy to figure out. Also, there's a beginners guide on the main menu. This guy and his 3 brain cells lol...

[Veeshan]

Originally posted by isw0412™:

Thank you for the sever listing dilly bobber. I am not going to argue with you. You fail to see the reason why you must appeal to every possible community that you can (although you can't please everyone). This game isn't a monthly payment, this game isn't a new skin DLC every week - they rely on the purchase of the DLC they have and the base game. If you don't try to pull in as many as you can you will fail or you must come up with a new gig for the game. (business and marketing is a dog eat dog world your gonna learn that before long). You might be surprised to look around to find many people are FPS players or come from an FPS back-round especially if you were born before 1990. Even kids now - look at the millions of kids that play FPS games. Why wouldn't you try to appeal to them? Then they go ask their parents "hey will you buy me this game" whether they decline or accept is unknown. Again you also fail to see a new guy (especially kids) go into this game hop on either official or solo - that's just the reality of it. A new guy doesn't get on and say I want to play unofficial servers. I simply do not have the patience to sit here and argue further, you've clearly got your own opinion (nothing wrong with that).

This has already gotten off-topic. You have your opinion and I have mine. Only god knows who's right or if any of us are for that matter. ;)

Sounds like you're claiming that every game should be required or is required to appeal to as large an audience as possible. Your business would be dead in the water in a week if you took that approach. Maybe try browsing a Wiki about genre or market segments.

[[BMC]Nos_42]

Originally posted by Gentleman Jack:

OMG! You guys crack me up. This is the first game I have ever played that did not explain what the commands do or how to just basically play the game. It has nothing to do with caliber of play or even learning curves. I've played minecraft for about 5 minutes and didn't like that game at all. So no comparison. And if you have to actually get out of the game and go search the internet to learn how to play the basics of this game then the developers saw you coming a mile away. So no, instructions did not go away, only dodo's buy games that have no instructions. LMAO!!! Glad mine was free.

xD Never have i read something more obviously written by toddler xD
Its ok boyo ^^ have your tutorials and if you still dont get it ask mommy ^^

Many openworld games out there without tutorials just because it is not in your small bubble doesnt mean it doesnt excist xD

[user1854669]

Simple game but thats not why I'm uninstalling the game. Tired of the massive space and time this game is taking up. It seems every 15 minutes I'm getting so new massive update that slows down my other games or something I'm doing. NO other game does this.