Negative reviews with 1000's of hours?!?!

[bowmanz607]

For real though. How can people stand there after playing for hundreds or even thousands of hours and call this a bad game. It just cracks me up. If a game is good enough for you to come back that much how can you say bad??? Why you playing if it is that bad??

I get it. Ark has its problems just like any other game. I have screamed at this game countless times in my 1000 hours, but it's good so I keep playing. If I see a player on any game talk about how bad a game is after 1000 hours of play time I'm going to assume you are just whining. In fact given a lot of negative reviews are just that, it makes me think the game is good not bad.

Sorry but damn im just sick of that petty bs and wanted to know the communities feeling on it.

[Boomer Voncannon]

It's a form of cognative dissonance not limited to Ark or even gaming. I highly recommend Gregg Easterbrook's excellent book The Progress Paradox, which explains how people can feel bad when the world is getting better overall, and they have a perception that things are getting worse when the opposite is happening. The mind tends to focus on the negative, even when having fun. You know what you very rarely see posted in any game's forums? A thread titled "I played for more hours than my full time job this week, and last week, and the week before, and I had a blast." Instead the guy who did that comes to the forums and complains about the one graphical glitch he encountered in 60 hours of playtime, because it disruputed his fun so his brain noticed it more than the 60 hours.

[bowmanz607]

Originally posted by Boomer Voncannon:

It's a form of cognative dissonance not limited to Ark or even gaming. I highly recommend Gregg Easterbrook's excellent book The Progress Paradox, which explains how people can feel bad when the world is getting better overall, and they have a perception that things are getting worse when the opposite is happening. The mind tends to focus on the negative, even when having fun. You know what you very rarely see posted in any game's forums? A thread titled "I played for more hours than my full time job this week, and last week, and the week before, and I had a blast." Instead the guy who did that comes to the forums and complains about the one graphical glitch he encountered in 60 hours of playtime, because it disruputed his fun so his brain noticed it more than the 60 hours.

Agreed. Just like say resturant reviews you remember that bad night you had that one time so you post it on Yelp. But if your time was amazing you dont write anything.

[Boomer Voncannon]

Originally posted by bowmanz607:

Originally posted by Boomer Voncannon:

It's a form of cognative dissonance not limited to Ark or even gaming. I highly recommend Gregg Easterbrook's excellent book The Progress Paradox, which explains how people can feel bad when the world is getting better overall, and they have a perception that things are getting worse when the opposite is happening. The mind tends to focus on the negative, even when having fun. You know what you very rarely see posted in any game's forums? A thread titled "I played for more hours than my full time job this week, and last week, and the week before, and I had a blast." Instead the guy who did that comes to the forums and complains about the one graphical glitch he encountered in 60 hours of playtime, because it disruputed his fun so his brain noticed it more than the 60 hours.

Agreed. Just like say resturant reviews you remember that bad night you had that one time so you post it on Yelp. But if your time was amazing you dont write anything.

I used to work in the restaurant business. In the higher end stuff (ie places that take reservations) Open Table is far superior. Yelp has been caught trying extort places with the threat of bad reviews if they don't spend money advertising with them. Open table you can only write a review if you made and kept a reservation through open table, so it's verified you were actually there. They also have an incentive system so people have a reason to write a review one way or the other.

[Ferchi]

we are a bit angry because the devs never hear the community and they are very slow in all the actions.

they can make new games like pixark and Atlas
or they can make new DLC or the game in the consoles, just for the MONEY

but they can't fix the first game or the base of the game.

i've played the game since the first days of the game, and i'm a bit disappointed.
We have bugs and problems like since day 1 and they can't do nothing for now.

We have a great game, of course, but they need to work more in the game, they have people playing the game to test the stuff, but they need to play more and play the real game,

Ask that to the people with more than 10,000 hours, they know all the bugs, glitch and temporally fix's of all the broken things

they should be the real testers or they should be the admins in the servers to help people, like the dinos stuck forever, they are almost 24/7 like bots playing

I've quit ark a loot of times because of bugs and glitch full of stress, when i lost a loot of stuff for fault of the devs, after all this years they should fix the basic stuff or atleats they should make good code with power admin to restore all the work

We need codes for imprinted dinos, no just tamed dinos to spawn

You can read in ALL the forums of steam the only fix for almost all the problemas since a loot of years
"PLAY UNNOFICIAL"
because everybod know how the base game suxz

i'm a loot of time here and in the oficial page and you need to see how the mods just can erase the "bad" threads like this where the people can be free talking about the real opinions


trust me, nobody want to play the real game, with max 7 days for the decay, nobody want to play after you lost all your dinos because you need vacations...

like half month for a baby giga and they are dead after 7 days but your tek structure can survive like for 20 days, lol no way

but we are scared because the unnoficial servers can shutdown anytime, nobody know when

i've saw a lot of unnoficial servers just dissapear or wiped, because the owner want that, and after that they want DONATIONS or they make servers Pay to Win... pff

the old official servers are dead (legacy) you are alone, even on official servers you can see like 2 or 3 ppl random


only the people with admin power can enjoy the game, because only they can spawn almost all the stuff or restore glitch or reset the vanished stuff

never i've recomend ark, but i'm going to recomend and chang my review after they can make a real fix, like the same... abuse of pillars... active admins, breeding dinos comands, the cryopods, a real fix for the UNDERMESH, small tribes, a big zerg can destroy all the bases in the world thats no fair.

I'm a solo player and i love official, bc is the real game, i know how to hard is the game because they supposed to be played with a loot of slaves, i'm just waiting and praying for the amazing game fair promised.

also im a old player and i have bad experiences with support and obviously the game

i've saw a lot of people with like 100 or 1000 hours talking good things about the game, but that was because they need to play the game LOL you need a lot of hours to understand a loot of things and how they decide to change all the things in the future, because... yhea

i can type a lot of good things about ark, but i can type more about how broken is the game and i need more characters than the basics on steam

we need to critize then they can fix the game, thanks to that we have a decent game

[Boomer Voncannon]

okay I'm not quoting all that because it's way too much to make everybody look at twice. I'm also not going to try to address everything in it. But I do want to address a few core things you said right up front.

"they can make new games like pixark and Atlas
or they can make new DLC or the game in the consoles, just for the MONEY"

1. pixark was developed by a different design team, so putting it alongside Atlas, which is being developed by Wildcard, isn't proper for the point you're trying to make.

2. Every studio in existence is a business. If businesses do not make money, they go out of business, and then cannot support the game they made or create new content for it. You should want the studios of the games you play to make money. It is in your interest as a player of their game. The assumption that Wildcard in particular is greedy to the detriment of their playerbase is something I would argue there is significant evidence against.

3. I would highly encourage you to watch Extra Credits excellent animated videos on Youtube on the subject of why developers ship buggy games. One of the things that is addressed is that especially with innovative games from independant studios like Wildcard, often bugs exist that cannot be fixed because they are a result of mistakes or errors made early in the design process that cannot be corrected as a practical reality later when they become apparent. This is not owing to laziness or incompetence on the part of a design team. It is an industry reality. The trade off we as gamers are likely always going to have to live with is that such innovative games from independant shops are just likely never going to have the level of polish that major titles from big studios which are mostly just more of the same will have. Once I understood this, it helped me be less frustrated with some of Ark's long standing issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1_50T5GwZ8

[bowmanz607]

Games will always have issues. Find me a perfect game. Any. I will wait.

Also, it is important to remember the different teams qork 9n different things. A team tasked with bugs, glitches, balancing etc is not the same team as a team working on pix ark, not the same team making maps, not the same team making dinos, not the same team making mobile versions etc. They are all seperate, so to try encompass the entire ark crew under one name is simply not how it works.

Further, you cant make everyone happy. Not everyone will always be happy with every change that's just how it is. Some are pleased some are not. They key is to make the majority happy.

A game this massive has a lot of moving parts and can be very hard to nail down many issues and when you finally do others pop up. You have to allocate your resources accordingly. This game has come a very very very very long way over the last few years. They have done a lot to fix issues and optimize the game.

For sure xritize something that is wrong. But you need constructive criticisms. My point is whining on the review page after 1000s of hours is not the place for it. It simply does not make sense. A game you sank that much time into cant be soooo bad that you leave an extremely bad review that sounds more of a child screaming in a store cause they didn't get something. Their is rarely on constructive crisism in the reviews. Perhaps talking about what kept you coming back but ultimately what pushed you away is a better approach to a bad review and how it is read and percieved.

[Ferchi]

yup you are right, but you need to add to that now more about snail games, and how bad they are, also about the consoles and how they redesign the code just to run in others diferents plataforms with low frames like xbox, ps4 and the mobile version, but they can't fix or redesign the pc base game, also how the devs need more team working together with they in the game, but they dont want to waste money on more ppl

they need to think more in people like us and less on money

[Boomer Voncannon]

Snail games acquiring Wildcard did not exaclty fill me with joy either. but as far as fixing the game, it's an established principal learned from experience that adding more people to your bug fixing team is more likely to make it less effective than more effective. Again Extra Credits has excellent videos on youtube that address things like this in layman's terms. I recommend checking them out.

[Sneaky_Koala]

To be fair, and using a poor analogy, would you trust the Dr who discredits a medical review after 0.2 hours of looking at it or 1,000 hours looking into it?

I'm new to the game, and am really enjoying it, but I can see how those who came in earlier and stuck with it became annoyed over time because certain issues weren't addressed. It didn't mean the game was bad enough for them to stop playing but rather that from their perspective they can't recommend the game for it's current price in it's current condition.

[Cobretti]

It would be a lot more ridiculous if you could still see people's hours. It is not uncommon to see someone trashing the game either on these forums or official ones, give the game a neg review and yet they are not only still playing the game, they have played more hours in the last 2 weeks than a normal person has spent in full time work.

[Agucho!]

a lot of negative reviews comes out, when the game goes out of EA, and put a price of 60$, and community BLOW UP, i put a negative review because the price is NOT ACCUARATE, 30$ base game is fair, and every DLC at 15$ is FAIR, not 60$ a base game, without any campaing any story just behind the world, yes u have notes, but isnt talling us a sheat.

[martydaparty4u]

Play time doesn't reflect nothing reallly and i would trust a review with a 1000+ hours more than a 2 hour one plus this is a sandbox game that use to take 16 hours to tame a lvl120 rex. Then when a game has early access dlc, shady devs, bad updates, lots of bugs, alphs tribes running a muck it can leave a negative impact no matter what the hour counter says.

[Vesuvius]

"Shady devs"

https://youtu.be/orR2Rre5SGg

[Boomer Voncannon]

Originally posted by Agucho!:

a lot of negative reviews comes out, when the game goes out of EA, and put a price of 60$, and community BLOW UP, i put a negative review because the price is NOT ACCUARATE, 30$ base game is fair, and every DLC at 15$ is FAIR, not 60$ a base game, without any campaing any story just behind the world, yes u have notes, but isnt talling us a sheat.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VhWGQCzAtl8

Using a term like accurate in regards to price reveals a fundamental lack of understanding of what pricing is and how it works. This video will explain clearly why nearly all 60 dollar games should actually cost more.

[Gen Greavous]

key word is "after" usually something changed and ruined the game for them, see flyer nerf