Whats the point of crystal wyverns...

[Fat Bussy Fart Slave]

You can't Transfer them, and theyre worse than regular wyverns. Is there something about them that make them worth the effort?

[Graf Schokola]

roro4066 eredeti hozzászólása:

And "Graf Schokola", when you say "crap melee attack range", do you mean with the bite attack or the special breath?
And "tail in face while flying", is it bearable ?


Thanks

Yes i mean the bite attack. And the tail in face i a little bit annoying. :D

HuggernautNL eredeti hozzászólása:

But regarding the 11 vs 20 muts: you have to be really lucky to find a CW with 48 melee.

That's why I took a conservative 30 on both.

Agree with the rest of your post though.

I killed and tamed with one of my tribemembers some hours crystal wyvern (max wild lvl 150) till we got wyvern with that stats:

best stats before breeding for Blood: 43/43/43/38/45/46 (yesterday i got the first baby with all stats on one wyvern.)

best stats before breeding for Tropical: 44/40/46/51/47/48 (will take some more time to breed all the stats and my prefered colors together.)

(HP/stam/ox/food/weight/dmg)

So you see ~46 isnt very rare.

[DigginTiger]

Graf Schokola eredeti hozzászólása:

roro4066 eredeti hozzászólása:

And "Graf Schokola", when you say "crap melee attack range", do you mean with the bite attack or the special breath?
And "tail in face while flying", is it bearable ?


Thanks

Yes i mean the bite attack. And the tail in face i a little bit annoying. :D

HuggernautNL eredeti hozzászólása:

But regarding the 11 vs 20 muts: you have to be really lucky to find a CW with 48 melee.

That's why I took a conservative 30 on both.

Agree with the rest of your post though.

I killed and tamed with one of my tribemembers some hours crystal wyvern (max wild lvl 150) till we got wyvern with that stats:

best stats before breeding for Blood: 43/43/43/38/45/46 (yesterday i got the first baby with all stats on one wyvern.)

best stats before breeding for Tropical: 44/40/46/51/47/48 (will take some more time to breed all the stats and my prefered colors together.)

(HP/stam/ox/food/weight/dmg)

So you see ~46 isnt very rare.

Ok thanks.

One other thing please.
In a previous post you say they are FASTER.
Have you tested it with your tribemate or is it just a personnal feeling?

[Graf Schokola]

roro4066 eredeti hozzászólása:

Ok thanks.

One other thing please.
In a previous post you say they are FASTER.
Have you tested it with your tribemate or is it just a personnal feeling?

I tested 4 dinos, start+end at a mountain:
lightning wyvern (slowest)
crystal wyvern (slow)
snow owl well ridden with sky diving (fast)
tropeognathus with afterburner step 2 (only a little bit faster than snow owl, but 100% chill factor)

[DigginTiger]

Thanks graf

[Lord Eistee]

HuggernautNL eredeti hozzászólása:

I ran the numbers on both wyverns.

Keep in mind this is standard damage numbers and does not take into account the specials from the crystal wyverns because I don't know how to calculate that.

So let's say you have a normal wyvern and a crystal wyvern with both 30 stat points in melee.
The numbers would be:
Normal wyvern: 80 (base dmg) + 30 (stat points) x 4 (points per wild level) = 200 base dmg.
Crystal Wyvern: 45 (base dmg) +30 (stat points) x 2.25 (points per wild level) = 112.5 base dmg.

So to make a crystal wyvern as strong as a normal wyvern you would have to mutate at least (200-112.5)/1.7 = 38.8 points into melee, which comes down to roughly 20 mutations...

Both wyverns get 1.7 dmg per tamed level up, so that is the same.

So I'd say get lucky with a normal wyvern with a high melee stat and you will be stronger than crystal wyverns for pretty much always.


Help me out if I made mistakes in my thinking here.

Your mistake is: You can change the Cuddle multiplier, which can get (in my case) even a raptor up to 10k health and 1k Damage.

[Graf Schokola]

Uncle Iroh eredeti hozzászólása:

HuggernautNL eredeti hozzászólása:

I ran the numbers on both wyverns.

Keep in mind this is standard damage numbers and does not take into account the specials from the crystal wyverns because I don't know how to calculate that.

So let's say you have a normal wyvern and a crystal wyvern with both 30 stat points in melee.
The numbers would be:
Normal wyvern: 80 (base dmg) + 30 (stat points) x 4 (points per wild level) = 200 base dmg.
Crystal Wyvern: 45 (base dmg) +30 (stat points) x 2.25 (points per wild level) = 112.5 base dmg.

So to make a crystal wyvern as strong as a normal wyvern you would have to mutate at least (200-112.5)/1.7 = 38.8 points into melee, which comes down to roughly 20 mutations...

Both wyverns get 1.7 dmg per tamed level up, so that is the same.

So I'd say get lucky with a normal wyvern with a high melee stat and you will be stronger than crystal wyverns for pretty much always.


Help me out if I made mistakes in my thinking here.

Your mistake is: You can change the Cuddle multiplier, which can get (in my case) even a raptor up to 10k health and 1k Damage.

nope. the stats are umimprinted. you have to add the imprint multiplier after that but that doesnt matter. X/Y = (X * Imprint) / (Y * Imprint)

200/100 = (200*1.3) / (100*1.3) = (200*manymillions) / (100*manymillions)

[HuggernautNL]

Yeah I calculated without imprinting because that one is the same for both.

[Lord Eistee]

Graf Schokola eredeti hozzászólása:

Uncle Iroh eredeti hozzászólása:

Your mistake is: You can change the Cuddle multiplier, which can get (in my case) even a raptor up to 10k health and 1k Damage.

nope. the stats are umimprinted. you have to add the imprint multiplier after that but that doesnt matter. X/Y = (X * Imprint) / (Y * Imprint)

200/100 = (200*1.3) / (100*1.3) = (200*manymillions) / (100*manymillions)

Thats what I ment. English isnt my native language so excuse me xD

[Talyn]

Simply put for me...
Wyverns have the turning radius of a School bus with flat tires in the mud and the engine turned off.
Crystal Wyverns fly beautifully.

So a regular wyvern can do more damage, the Crystal Wyvern actually lands the hits in the first place without needing the entire map to maneuver into position.

[Degenologist]

its been a lil while for the official map being out but to add to this- you cant breed super crystal wyverns, we found a 195 blood egg, hatched into triplets (1 male 2 female) breeding them gives us eggs which always hatch to 195 babies. we havent tried breeding 2 passive tamed ones yet, but thats in the next couple days. crystal wyverns are faster, turn better, are a little bit smaller, but do less damage than regular wyverns (but the special attacks are different, so im only saying less damage in terms of the normal bite), BUT on normal rates the max you could hatch a regular wyvern was 190, on here you can tame a 150 which will be 224, or find eggs max level is 225. not sure if the lower damage would get closer to being even to regular wyverns with the 35 more max levels. tropical has a mild dot and slight knockback with its hydro cannon like special attack, and get a speed buff when you touch water (lasts 30 seconds). ember get a fire breath attack that burns which is supposidly a smaller cone but longer range than a fire wyvern, and the damage goes up with a rage-like meter the more you use it. blood wyverns are where its at, as their special attack does damage and heals for some of it (lifesteal) plus when they eat a corpse they regain some health too. currently, a tropical wyvern with the water buff is the 2nd fastest flier in the game (beaten significantly by a tropeo w/ the rocket boost), and third place are the other wyverns. griffins, rock drakes, snow owls are slower in a straight line, but the dive can push them ahead (but going up and down to get that speed means less distance, remember speed is distance over time), but a tropeo is much faster and their speed comes from gas and not stamina.

[whitneyhill]

HuggernautNL, if you don't believe mutating Crystal Wyverns to a large degree is possible, take a look at Official PvE creatures.

We have boss rexes with 1360 melee and over 40K in health. Base. Before imprinting.

It will take time, but it will happen.

On Unnoficial, anyone with some Element, an SS Mutator, and decent breeding rates can make it happen extremely fast.

[HuggernautNL]

whitneyhill eredeti hozzászólása:

HuggernautNL, if you don't believe mutating Crystal Wyverns to a large degree is possible, take a look at Official PvE creatures.

We have boss rexes with 1360 melee and over 40K in health. Base. Before imprinting.

It will take time, but it will happen.

On Unnoficial, anyone with some Element, an SS Mutator, and decent breeding rates can make it happen extremely fast.

I know, I had breeded rexes with 130 melee (900%) and 75k hp.

[JacktheRipper]

HuggernautNL eredeti hozzászólása:

I ran the numbers on both wyverns.

Keep in mind this is standard damage numbers and does not take into account the specials from the crystal wyverns because I don't know how to calculate that.

So let's say you have a normal wyvern and a crystal wyvern with both 30 stat points in melee.
The numbers would be:
Normal wyvern: 80 (base dmg) + 30 (stat points) x 4 (points per wild level) = 200 base dmg.
Crystal Wyvern: 45 (base dmg) +30 (stat points) x 2.25 (points per wild level) = 112.5 base dmg.

So to make a crystal wyvern as strong as a normal wyvern you would have to mutate at least (200-112.5)/1.7 = 38.8 points into melee, which comes down to roughly 20 mutations...

Both wyverns get 1.7 dmg per tamed level up, so that is the same.

So I'd say get lucky with a normal wyvern with a high melee stat and you will be stronger than crystal wyverns for pretty much always.


Help me out if I made mistakes in my thinking here.

Except one factor of speed see nooblets youtube video about how much faster crystal wyverns are by default without touching the water and then that much faster with touching the water.