Worth upgrading? RX580 8GB

[DarkChaoX]

So i decided to upgrade after quite a while from a GTX 960 4gb to an RX 580 8gb.
Now i know most of you are gonna say its not worth and its better to go for a gtx 1070 instead. however i cannot afford it not atm not ever. im part of a poor family and i can hardly afford this one which is a LOT cheaper. So could i run this game on epic with it? How many frames would i normally get with and withought an OC?

My other system specs:
i7 2600 3.40-3.80ghz
~650 Watt PCU
16 gb DDR3 Ram

[retsam1]

Can it run in epic? Sure.

Can it run in epic without any issues at any time? Absolutely not.

Your wants do not match the reality of your situation. If you cannot afford a much better card(or rig really as the cpu and such are another potential source of issues), then I suggest you continue rolling with what you got and save your money until you have enough to buy a better rig. But dont waste money just on a card that isnt going to give you that much better.

Remember ark is one of the more demanding games on rigs right now. http://www.pcgamer.com/ark-survival-evolved-is-the-new-crysis-of-pc-hardware/

[jonny2772]

Honestly, if you're upgrading because of Ark specifically, aim for a 1060 6Gb instead. Ark is heavily (and I mean HEAVILY, speaking from experience btw) optimized for Nvidia gpu's, does not play nice with AMD's, and performance on them suffers as a result. A 1060 should give you performance between the 970 and 980, however it's still not enough for epic. If I were in your shoes, I'd wait until I saved enough for a 1070.

[retsam1]

Originally posted by Pepsiman:

Honestly, if you're upgrading because of Ark specifically, aim for a 1060 6Gb instead. Ark is heavily (and I mean HEAVILY, speaking from experience btw) optimized for Nvidia gpu's, does not play nice with AMD's, and performance on them suffers as a result. A 1060 should give you performance between the 970 and 980, however it's still not enough for epic. If I were in your shoes, I'd wait until I saved enough for a 1070.

His almost 6-7 year old cpu and low power supply wouldnt help either even if he upgraded to the 1070 either. He's still risking potential for other issues as I also question whether his mobo can handle things too which he didnt specify.

[jonny2772]

Originally posted by retsam1:

Originally posted by Pepsiman:

Honestly, if you're upgrading because of Ark specifically, aim for a 1060 6Gb instead. Ark is heavily (and I mean HEAVILY, speaking from experience btw) optimized for Nvidia gpu's, does not play nice with AMD's, and performance on them suffers as a result. A 1060 should give you performance between the 970 and 980, however it's still not enough for epic. If I were in your shoes, I'd wait until I saved enough for a 1070.

His almost 6-7 year old cpu and low power supply wouldnt help either even if he upgraded to the 1070 either. He's still risking potential for other issues as I also question whether his mobo can handle things too which he didnt specify.

The only part of worry in there is the PSU, if it's incredibly old by now, or isn't a reputable one. A 2600 is still very capable if you're doing little more than gaming, it doesn't bottleneck a 1070, again speaking from experience, and I'd only upgrade the motherboard if it lacks any interface I'd need.
I notice all the time people tend to grossly overestimate the power requirements for a PSU. If you take op's PC and add a 1070 to it, on gaming it should hover 250-300w of actual consumption at the wall. Any reliable PSU from 500w and above should handle it with margin to spare. Only thing left to ask is which PSU is this exactly.

[DarkChaoX]

Originally posted by retsam1:

Originally posted by Pepsiman:

Honestly, if you're upgrading because of Ark specifically, aim for a 1060 6Gb instead. Ark is heavily (and I mean HEAVILY, speaking from experience btw) optimized for Nvidia gpu's, does not play nice with AMD's, and performance on them suffers as a result. A 1060 should give you performance between the 970 and 980, however it's still not enough for epic. If I were in your shoes, I'd wait until I saved enough for a 1070.

His almost 6-7 year old cpu and low power supply wouldnt help either even if he upgraded to the 1070 either. He's still risking potential for other issues as I also question whether his mobo can handle things too which he didnt specify.

its a gigabyte but thats as much as i know really.as for the cpu i dont think it will bottleneck at all except if i was going for a 1080 which as i said i cannot. Neither can i save up for a 1070 as i dont have pretty much any money at all for even some basic needs. i can hardly afford that upgrade

[DarkChaoX]

Originally posted by Pepsiman:

Originally posted by retsam1:

His almost 6-7 year old cpu and low power supply wouldnt help either even if he upgraded to the 1070 either. He's still risking potential for other issues as I also question whether his mobo can handle things too which he didnt specify.

The only part of worry in there is the PSU, if it's incredibly old by now, or isn't a reputable one. A 2600 is still very capable if you're doing little more than gaming, it doesn't bottleneck a 1070, again speaking from experience, and I'd only upgrade the motherboard if it lacks any interface I'd need.
I notice all the time people tend to grossly overestimate the power requirements for a PSU. If you take op's PC and add a 1070 to it, on gaming it should hover 250-300w of actual consumption at the wall. Any reliable PSU from 500w and above should handle it with margin to spare. Only thing left to ask is which PSU is this exactly.

actually i bought a new PSU with 650 w recently so its not that old

[jonny2772]

Originally posted by ChaoX:

Originally posted by retsam1:

His almost 6-7 year old cpu and low power supply wouldnt help either even if he upgraded to the 1070 either. He's still risking potential for other issues as I also question whether his mobo can handle things too which he didnt specify.

its a gigabyte but thats as much as i know really.as for the cpu i dont think it will bottleneck at all except if i was going for a 1080 which as i said i cannot. Neither can i save up for a 1070 as i dont have pretty much any money at all for even some basic needs. i can hardly afford that upgrade

If that's the case then stick with what you have, especially if you have financial issues like you said, I mean it. You won't see that much of a boost going 960->580/1060 anyway.
Edit: you already said it's 650w, I asked brand and model. Let's just say not all 650w psu's are created equal.

[DarkChaoX]

Originally posted by Pepsiman:

Originally posted by ChaoX:

its a gigabyte but thats as much as i know really.as for the cpu i dont think it will bottleneck at all except if i was going for a 1080 which as i said i cannot. Neither can i save up for a 1070 as i dont have pretty much any money at all for even some basic needs. i can hardly afford that upgrade

If that's the case then stick with what you have, especially if you have financial issues like you said, I mean it. You won't see that much of a boost going 960->580/1060 anyway.

heard somewhere its double the performance in most cases. i guess it isnt the case is it?

[jonny2772]

Originally posted by ChaoX:

Originally posted by Pepsiman:

If that's the case then stick with what you have, especially if you have financial issues like you said, I mean it. You won't see that much of a boost going 960->580/1060 anyway.

heard somewhere its double the performance in most cases. i guess it isnt the case is it?

More like 50% higher, give or take.
If you really want an upgrade, how about snatching an used 970/980? There are a lot of people trying to get rid of them for cheap after the 970 3.5gb scandal. But I do own a 970, and it's very capable for Ark on an high/epic setting mix, the remaining slower 512mb were never an issue for me, especially if you stay at 1080p.

[DarkChaoX]

Originally posted by Pepsiman:

Originally posted by ChaoX:

heard somewhere its double the performance in most cases. i guess it isnt the case is it?

More like 50% higher, give or take.
If you really want an upgrade, how about snatching an used 970/980? There are a lot of people trying to get rid of them for cheap after the 970 3.5gb scandal. But I do own a 970, and it's very capable for Ark on an high/epic setting mix, the remaining slower 512mb were never an issue for me, especially if you stay at 1080p.

not planning to go any higher than 1080p to tell you the truth and i mostly care about 30 fps at least when it comes to ark. i just wanted to be able to achieve a playable 30 frames on epic on ark even with slightly lower res scale (not much tho more like the high preset res)

[jonny2772]

Originally posted by ChaoX:

Originally posted by Pepsiman:

More like 50% higher, give or take.
If you really want an upgrade, how about snatching an used 970/980? There are a lot of people trying to get rid of them for cheap after the 970 3.5gb scandal. But I do own a 970, and it's very capable for Ark on an high/epic setting mix, the remaining slower 512mb were never an issue for me, especially if you stay at 1080p.

not planning to go any higher than 1080p to tell you the truth and i mostly care about 30 fps at least when it comes to ark. i just wanted to be able to achieve a playable 30 frames on epic on ark even with slightly lower res scale (not much tho more like the high preset res)

Should be easy. I keep 40-60fps with my settings, depending on the map (island truly is a resource hog)

[=Sarsante=]

Not even a 1080 can run on epic preset, so no a rx580 cant either.

Im gonna upgrade my 1080 to a 1080ti in few months and then MAYBE it will be possible.

[Nighthawk]

I wouldn't worry about upgrading for the sake of playing Ark on better settings, I started Ark with a 960 2Gb version, went to a 980ti and now at a 1080ftw, through all 3 of them I still would play ark at pretty much the same settings as I did on the 960 for the sake of fps, do better cards run better at higher settings? of course but if fps is important to you, you will end up turning things down any ways to a level that can be run by the older card just fine. The main settings I find that for sure get turned down/off no matter what card are shadows, ground clutter and sky options.

[Spikester]

rx 470 mix of high and epic 70 fps no problem rx 580 should be great.

[Wild]

I went from a 960 4GB to a 1070 and it was night and day. I can run all Epic preset on min 30fps but thats not my taste, i turned shadows to high and scaled ground clutter down by about half to get a consistent 51fps. I would say buy a used 970 or 980 like someone mentioned. Buying a brand new card is not always necessary especially not ideal if money is more important to you. My advice would be look for a 980 for a good deal if you can find them. But in the end the game will not run full epic preset either way. As mentioned shadow and ground clutter is what i cut back on to have a playable experience