OVIS NERF

[123]

So the ovis nerf ? i just only get 1 or 2 mutton

[123]

Originally posted by 123:

So the ovis nerf ? i just only get 1 or 2 mutton

Just saw this. What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joke! It's so hard to find packs of Ovis as well. Sure nerf the pelt but bro this game is losing its charm by day. Pathetic on the devs part, they nerfed all the fun things out of the game. Long fan but I'm done

[123]

Your point has nothing to do with this nerf @Zera_Fox. Back in my time it took a full day, swapping tribe members by night, just to tame a bronto. We complained about breeding so they would make this game more realistic/balance like we are doing now. It doesn't matter how it was done in the past. This nerf pretty much made the sheep completely useless to tame. The sheep is now more useless than a dodo. It's not even worth harvesting with any dino. Sheep meat was a great alternative to prime meat for alpha players and even lower players. It was a valuable aspect of the game and these developers responded to nerfing the sheep like idiots. We are harvesting 20-30 sheeps for a total of 1-4 mutton, 20 hide, and 10 pelt. It's not even worth a cake anymore. Things like "It's harder now! It's less fun for me!" isn't constructive. This was just a very poor change.

Argue about how this change is either negative or positive. Not about how it was "hard back then but now it's easy". Because it doesn't matter if it's easy because this sheep nerf is just plain stupid. I reference 10 reasons. "Because flyers nerf was stupid and everyone complain but eventually moved on" is completely unrelated. And they sure as hell moved on from this game being constantly poorly managed.

Some positive changes.

To address server crashing. Nerf it on chainsaw. Change the mechanism so it yields a fixed amount of resources per second instead of completely removing feature. This is not fixing/balancing. As I said before, this is just plain stupid work.

My opinion of these developers. They never do anything right.
Reference: All their broken dlc's and huge amount of bug reports. Obviously we do not get heard until we get loud enough, bomb review as always, or quit the game. Which we do constantly.

[Zera_Fox]

Originally posted by 123:

Your point has nothing to do with this nerf @Zera_Fox. Back in my time it took a full day, swapping tribe members by night, just to tame a bronto. We complained about breeding so they would make this game more realistic/balance like we are doing now. It doesn't matter how it was done in the past. This nerf pretty much made the sheep completely useless to tame. The sheep is now more useless than a dodo. It's not even worth harvesting with any dino. Sheep meat was a great alternative to prime meat for alpha players and even lower players. It was a valuable aspect of the game and these developers responded to nerfing the sheep like idiots. We are harvesting 20-30 sheeps for a total of 1-4 mutton, 20 hide, and 10 pelt. It's not even worth a cake anymore. Things like "It's harder now! It's less fun for me!" isn't constructive. This was just a very poor change.

Argue about how this change is either negative or positive. Not about how it was "hard back then but now it's easy". Because it doesn't matter if it's easy because this sheep nerf is just plain stupid. I reference 10 reasons. "Because flyers nerf was stupid and everyone complain but eventually moved on" is completely unrelated. And they sure as hell moved on from this game being constantly poorly managed.

Some positive changes.

To address server crashing. Nerf it on chainsaw. Change the mechanism so it yields a fixed amount of resources per second instead of completely removing feature. This is not fixing/balancing. As I said before, this is just plain stupid work.

My opinion of these developers. They never do anything right.
Reference: All their broken dlc's and huge amount of bug reports. Obviously we do not get heard until we get loud enough, bomb review as always, or quit the game. Which we do constantly.

I think you missed entirely the point I was trying to make with my "back when" statements compared to the now and the reasons why I felt the way I did.
I'm not surprised though, it seems to be an ongoing thing these days. No one ever seems to understand me. xD

Let me Shorten it up for those who didn't get it:

• A change to Ovis was NEEDED! I'm 100% sure this change as-is, is not going to be their final pass on it. It never is...
  
• Everyone wants to complain about how awul THE WHOLE GAME IS because of this nerf, but lets look back at the past and how much it's improved since "Way back when".
  
• A list of other things that everyone whinned about being changed, had several passes of adjustments made to them and here we are today.

So no, while each individual point I made had no direct link to this nerf, the entire post and the statements I made as a whole do.
I get I write large walls of text but you can't skim large walls of text and expect to understand it all either...

My opinion of these developers. They never do anything right.
Reference: All their broken dlc's and huge amount of bug reports. Obviously we do not get heard until we get loud enough, bomb review as always, or quit the game. Which we do constantly.

Unfortunately this isn't really productive. You know why?
Because people are still going to buy the game, continue to play the game and otherwise enjoy the game.
Just because there's a huge uproar on some Forums they don't pay any mind to, a bunch of reviews that appear to be negative show up (which never get removed, yet look where they sit now) doesn't encourage or push them to do anything.

If player numbers drop, that's the only way to get their attention. But something tells me that ARK players just can't bring themselves to NOT launch the game. It's just not one of those games, especially not PvP players. xD

[KitsuneShiro]

Originally posted by Serangel:

Makes since, mutton is so close to being as good as kibble for carnivores there was no point in trying to get kibble until your rexes you tamed at lvl 25 explode you to mid game where it's a non factor to make. You don't need max level herbs, you just need to find doed/anky/beaver/trike at 40-80 for basic resources until later when you do have kibble. Heck, all you need is a bola and a club to get a low level para and that will get you enough narco berries to make all the tranqs you'll ever need to tame everything short of a giga.

These are all very good points.

[Lexphen]

Originally posted by 123:

Originally posted by Zera_Fox:

Whether or not the Ovis nerf was related to a server resource issue or not, I always felt that the Ovis was overpowered in this regard anyway.
One Ovis could net you a decent tame in no time and easily obtain the mid to late tier tames if you were smart about it.

I hated that Mutton was at such a quantity even at vanilla rates that it seemed like so many players never bothered with Kibble taming for a lot of their tames because Mutton was just easier. Especially if you knew where to look or kept your own small farm.

I feel this nerf was much needed to not only reduce any possible server-load based on resources due to high harvest, but also to bring Ovis/Mutton tames back down a notch to bring Kibble taming Carnivores still the way to go.
https://www.dododex.com/taming/rex
Taming a Rex with mutton is a considerable difference between Prime and a lot easier to come by if you can find an aimless Ovis to butcher. Before any nerfing Ovis would drop a good decent amount so you'd need maybe one or two for a higher level Rex and you'd be on your feet again in no time.
Even if you didn't have the Saddle Engram learned your On Follow Rex could do some real damage and escalate you quickly.

Ovis were simply OP if you ask me with their QTY of Mutton dropped per.
It rendered bothering with lower-end tames pointless if you could completely skip bothering yourself with a low-end Carnivore to help catch, kill, and collect for higher tiers.


Suppose you could say I'm just one of those folks who looks at most of their changes as for the better.
Just as, and you can all point and snarl at me for it, I agreed with the flyer nerf and general tame-stat nerfs too!

what do u think overpower ???? hmmmm ?? i dont think so if u want tame pt now and doing fresh start pvp how u tame pt ? with meat ? even at smalltribes its doing a lot of time then u have grief also RIP if u have PVE State just dont talk about ovis nerf good or bad

im also if play PVE just do tame ovis then breed punch to lvlup HP Then easy to tame everything but at PVP its hard obs u doing fresh start u need cake 1st to tame it then cake its not easy to make u need at least wait till 1 day then tame 5 - 10 female ovis whatever

breed until them mature need take 1 day also then lvlup into health

its easy to say but....


IF U NOT GET GRIEF :) do hidden while still have much progress

if the ovis not get nerf we just do tame pt easy and that not ruin the game even u tame giga with mutton do u think u still safe ?

the thing is having a nerf doesn't stop people from having ovis farms it just make it worst people will have to have more ovises

[Nullpoint]

“Fixing” a pvp issue > breaks a pve issue, and vice versa.
Keep in mind when you start up on pve, and if you manage to find 1 ovis you are off to a good start, but thats if you already have a dino to hunt one down. Kibble is not even a thing before you get your base, dinos and ground ingredients set up ect. So basically who hurts the most by this would be early gamers starting on a new server which I absolutely do not understand. Rather then nerfing ovis, to allegedly “reduce” server lag, maybe they should look into implementing a static build size are for each tribe with size factor of players in the tibe, and/or how many “bases/outpost” allowed.
Obviously i can only imagine they would need to adjust this for pvp, as I wouldn’t even bother with pvp.

Regardless the nerf, it will not do a thing for big tribes as they could just up the breeding, thats why i see it as a loss for early survivors rather than a “fair”
I hope you get what I mean.
Anyway that’s my thoughts :/

[Serangel]

Originally posted by Nullpoint:

“Fixing” a pvp issue > breaks a pve issue, and vice versa.
Keep in mind when you start up on pve, and if you manage to find 1 ovis you are off to a good start, but thats if you already have a dino to hunt one down. Kibble is not even a thing before you get your base, dinos and ground ingredients set up ect. So basically who hurts the most by this would be early gamers starting on a new server which I absolutely do not understand. Rather then nerfing ovis, to allegedly “reduce” server lag, maybe they should look into implementing a static build size are for each tribe with size factor of players in the tibe, and/or how many “bases/outpost” allowed.
Obviously i can only imagine they would need to adjust this for pvp, as I wouldn’t even bother with pvp.

Regardless the nerf, it will not do a thing for big tribes as they could just up the breeding, thats why i see it as a loss for early survivors rather than a “fair”
I hope you get what I mean.
Anyway that’s my thoughts :/

If what others are saying is accurate that they are only getting 1-2 mutton 10-12 hide and 5-7 pelt per ovis, it's not worth increasing the amount of breeding. No one is going to do that when you can just run around with a strong theri and get 20 times more for the same effort.

Mutton is over powered. What they should have done is nerfed just mutton and not the ovis. Make mutton better than meat, but not as good as prime, and still allow a reasonable amount of resources from an ovis. Though I do get that when you have a 150hp ovis and you hit it with a 350% asc chainsaw and you get half a million hide, mutton, and pelt on 2x gather, it's a bit rediculous.

[Dad-Elite]

OMG this is bull shirt! I just spent a month raising Ovis for feed, if there is a problem with wool then reduce the wool but we need to feed our tames and this is just the largest Nerf to date, rethink this one please your busting our ballz. this was the most effective farming out there now this is worthless! no-one will be able to keep up with the demand for food anymore.

[Serangel]

Originally posted by Dad-Elite:

OMG this is bull shirt! I just spent a month raising Ovis for feed, if there is a problem with wool then reduce the wool but we need to feed our tames and this is just the largest Nerf to date, rethink this one please your busting our ballz. this was the most effective farming out there now this is worthless! no-one will be able to keep up with the demand for food anymore.

Take a high level theri in a creature rich area and kill everything, you'll have more meat than you know what to do with.

[Rotiart]

Originally posted by Dad-Elite:

OMG this is bull shirt! I just spent a month raising Ovis for feed, if there is a problem with wool then reduce the wool but we need to feed our tames and this is just the largest Nerf to date, rethink this one please your busting our ballz. this was the most effective farming out there now this is worthless! no-one will be able to keep up with the demand for food anymore.

Meat running isn't really a bottlecap. The big bottle cap with the Ovis nerf is hide.

[KitsuneShiro]

Originally posted by Dad-Elite:

OMG this is bull shirt! I just spent a month raising Ovis for feed, if there is a problem with wool then reduce the wool but we need to feed our tames and this is just the largest Nerf to date, rethink this one please your busting our ballz. this was the most effective farming out there now this is worthless! no-one will be able to keep up with the demand for food anymore.

The problem isn't wool. It's the server lag caused by chainsaw on meat.

[Fun police]

Originally posted by KitsuneShiro:

Originally posted by Zera_Fox:

I agree with the craftable "Hunger Increasing Food" approach.
I've been a long time user of Appetizer on UnOfficial/Single Player and it still requires work to obtain and I felt this was a fair and balanced way to approach long-timers without eliminating the need for Kibbles to get the higher Effectiveness values.

Back in the old days, original rates. Effectiveness was very important. Doubling the rates at launch, changed this. It would have been better to change taming times and leave food requirements the same.

I could not agree more.

[Dad-Elite]

I understand that the Dev's do NOT have a history of taking advice and do what they want... So there's a month of breeding down the drain, very upsetting! so going forward, I have 170 owl's running 24/7 and they eat a ton, very few others a couple Argent's, Quetz, and a few Wyvern's, whats the next best return on investment for breeding for meat? anyone have any ideas? thanks for the advise, and yes my ascendant chain saw is my go too for any harvesting, Theri's are good but not even close. I should have known and filled my dedicated storage instead of 5 Cryo fridges full of level 250+ Ovis. makes me sick! W.C. you never cease to screw us with Nerf's, I should be used to it by now.

[Dj DNA]

Originally posted by Dad-Elite:

I understand that the Dev's do NOT have a history of taking advice and do what they want... So there's a month of breeding down the drain, very upsetting! so going forward, I have 170 owl's running 24/7 and they eat a ton, very few others a couple Argent's, Quetz, and a few Wyvern's, whats the next best return on investment for breeding for meat? anyone have any ideas? thanks for the advise, and yes my ascendant chain saw is my go too for any harvesting, Theri's are good but not even close. I should have known and filled my dedicated storage instead of 5 Cryo fridges full of level 250+ Ovis. makes me sick! W.C. you never cease to screw us with Nerf's, I should be used to it by now.

rip

[Jimbodiah]

I had a fully mutated ovis with 254 health, gave me 250K hide (3x rate) and 12K mutton using a chainsaw. No server lag though.