Kibble

[Ice]

Been a while since I last played ark, and I just found out about the new kibble system. I only have one question: Do I always need to feed a dino their preferred kibble for maximum taming effectiveness, or is it fine to feed it extraordinary kibble (since that's the highest tier of kibble)? Thanks in advance.

[Vesuvius]

Can use preferred or *better*

[Ice]

Well that was fast.

[Rio]

There is one slight issue with always using the best kibble. It often fills more hunger than the lower tier prefered kibble. So you may make your tame take slightly longer.

Unless I'm mistaken.

If you do make extraordinary kibble for everything, yuty is probably the best for it. You might think deinos due to their small raptor size, but unless they lay fertilized eggs, it will give you a regular unfertilized raptor egg...

[Lord Kouranis]

not a fan of the new kibble system. the old one was infinitely better. ill die on this hill.

[Noeat]

Escrito originalmente por Lord Kouranis:

not a fan of the new kibble system. the old one was infinitely better. ill die on this hill.

agree..
"new" one make no sense..
for example: "i need tame Rex, what egg i need? ..oh.. Rex egg for kibble"
before here was some progress, u start with low tier dinos and work on your way to get top tier dinos, and u actually have use for lot of different dinos.. and some taming was good challenge. now u can just ignore almost all dinos, because u can go and get top tier dinos right at start. and u dont need progress your way thru with kibble system

[Someone]

I'm new to this game and was very confused when I read some taming guides only to realise they're outdated, using the old kibble system. I wasted so many time setting up a dodo and turtle egg farm. So now it's meaning less to tame anything at low level? Which dino should I tame now?

[Noeat]

Escrito originalmente por Someone:

I'm new to this game and was very confused when I read some taming guides only to realise they're outdated, using the old kibble system. I wasted so many time setting up a dodo and turtle egg farm. So now it's meaning less to tame anything at low level? Which dino should I tame now?

u can tame what u want, but u need tame it before u go to tame it.. because it needs the same tier of eggs for kibbles
look at Dododex - this web / app is really helpfull

and for sure - u still wanna dodos.. because dodo kibble (lowest rank kibble) is cheap and u can use it as "emergency" food for babies and so..

(because long spoil timer is sometime more safe to use kibbles and not meat for example - when u need leave your babies for some time alone..

[zerassar]

Escrito originalmente por Someone:

I'm new to this game and was very confused when I read some taming guides only to realise they're outdated, using the old kibble system. I wasted so many time setting up a dodo and turtle egg farm. So now it's meaning less to tame anything at low level? Which dino should I tame now?

The wiki has all current information. And as noeat stated, dododex as well.

[Someone]

I'm been checking wiki and dododex but among many dinos which give the same egg tier, there are some easier to tame, some easier to maintenance, give eggs faster, can serve other function like riding, flying, fighting... which make them more prefer than other dinos of the same tier. All of these are very confused to a newbie who can't even remember the names of these dinos yet.

[retsam1]

Escrito originalmente por Lord Kouranis:

not a fan of the new kibble system. the old one was infinitely better. ill die on this hill.

Unfortunately, it is for the most part a marginalized set of folks that venerate the old system feeling it was better.

Also, It wasn't exclusively a decision to simplify the kibbles because it was felt to be too convoluted(and it very much was). It was also an issue of ecocide and server stability. More tames required more space and more resources to maintain. The change helped to reduce some of that demand/ needs with mall sized bases and dino parking lots as well(to a degree). Now, if someone wants to be extremely minimalist, they can just make exclusively an extraordinary egg tier kibble farm for 90% tame needs and instead focus on taming what they specifically want/need from there.

[Noeat]

Escrito originalmente por retsam1:

Escrito originalmente por Lord Kouranis:

not a fan of the new kibble system. the old one was infinitely better. ill die on this hill.

Unfortunately, it is for the most part a marginalized set of folks that venerate the old system feeling it was better.

Also, It wasn't exclusively a decision to simplify the kibbles because it was felt to be too convoluted(and it very much was). It was also an issue of ecocide and server stability. More tames required more space and more resources to maintain. The change helped to reduce some of that demand/ needs with mall sized bases and dino parking lots as well(to a degree). Now, if someone wants to be extremely minimalist, they can just make exclusively an extraordinary egg tier kibble farm for 90% tame needs and instead focus on taming what they specifically want/need from there.

thats actually wrong, because rework kibble system didnt have efect to decrease amount of dinos in bases :) ..what decrease amount of dinos in bases was cryofridge and cryopods..
on other han it encourage ppl to tame more dinos and have more dinos

kibble system isnt simplified, rework actually make harder to tame higher tier dinos, because u cant tame them with kibble of lower tier dinos ..aka for Rex u need Rex tier egg
it means for taming Rex u need tame Rex before u try tame Rex...hopefully even folks like u can see that.. but i doubt

new kibble system just make half, maybe more dino absolutelly useless.. thats against idea of any game.. make content useless and disable natural progress thru game, but w/e

@Someone.. just tame low lvl pair of Rexes.. get eggs, then tame high lvl Rex / pair
then tame low Yutty / pair with prime meat what u grind with Rex and then tame high lvl Yutty
ofc, u will need Argy, tame low lvl ones and then with kibbles from their eggs tame high lvl

look at dododex for kibbles and decide what dinos u will tame for every tier (Dodos or Kairuku for basic, because higher rate of eggs drop) ..if u want it ofc..

[Charcharodonto]

Escrito originalmente por Noeat:

Escrito originalmente por retsam1:

Unfortunately, it is for the most part a marginalized set of folks that venerate the old system feeling it was better.

Also, It wasn't exclusively a decision to simplify the kibbles because it was felt to be too convoluted(and it very much was). It was also an issue of ecocide and server stability. More tames required more space and more resources to maintain. The change helped to reduce some of that demand/ needs with mall sized bases and dino parking lots as well(to a degree). Now, if someone wants to be extremely minimalist, they can just make exclusively an extraordinary egg tier kibble farm for 90% tame needs and instead focus on taming what they specifically want/need from there.

thats actually wrong, because rework kibble system didnt have efect to decrease amount of dinos in bases :) ..what decrease amount of dinos in bases was cryofridge and cryopods..
on other han it encourage ppl to tame more dinos and have more dinos

kibble system isnt simplified, rework actually make harder to tame higher tier dinos, because u cant tame them with kibble of lower tier dinos ..aka for Rex u need Rex tier egg
it means for taming Rex u need tame Rex before u try tame Rex...hopefully even folks like u can see that.. but i doubt

new kibble system just make half, maybe more dino absolutelly useless.. thats against idea of any game.. make content useless and disable natural progress thru game, but w/e

@Someone.. just tame low lvl pair of Rexes.. get eggs, then tame high lvl Rex / pair
then tame low Yutty / pair with prime meat what u grind with Rex and then tame high lvl Yutty
ofc, u will need Argy, tame low lvl ones and then with kibbles from their eggs tame high lvl

look at dododex for kibbles and decide what dinos u will tame for every tier (Dodos or Kairuku for basic, because higher rate of eggs drop) ..if u want it ofc..

Where you even around when the change happenend?

You needed so many animals you where never gonna use for combat or farming just as egg dispensers at your base, and if you did not fancy waiting 2 weeks to get enough eggs to tame 1 dino, you need to tame a good amount of females to speed things up.

Not to mention many tames being *gated* behind some obnoxious or rare creature, or at the end of 4-5 stepping stones.

Ow boohoo you need rex eggs to tame rexes. such difficulty. All you need is a bow, tranq arrows a low level rex and raw meat to get your first egg dispenser.

[Noeat]

Escrito originalmente por Charcharodonto:

Escrito originalmente por Noeat:

thats actually wrong, because rework kibble system didnt have efect to decrease amount of dinos in bases :) ..what decrease amount of dinos in bases was cryofridge and cryopods..
on other han it encourage ppl to tame more dinos and have more dinos

kibble system isnt simplified, rework actually make harder to tame higher tier dinos, because u cant tame them with kibble of lower tier dinos ..aka for Rex u need Rex tier egg
it means for taming Rex u need tame Rex before u try tame Rex...hopefully even folks like u can see that.. but i doubt

new kibble system just make half, maybe more dino absolutelly useless.. thats against idea of any game.. make content useless and disable natural progress thru game, but w/e

@Someone.. just tame low lvl pair of Rexes.. get eggs, then tame high lvl Rex / pair
then tame low Yutty / pair with prime meat what u grind with Rex and then tame high lvl Yutty
ofc, u will need Argy, tame low lvl ones and then with kibbles from their eggs tame high lvl

look at dododex for kibbles and decide what dinos u will tame for every tier (Dodos or Kairuku for basic, because higher rate of eggs drop) ..if u want it ofc..

Where you even around when the change happenend?

You needed so many animals you where never gonna use for combat or farming just as egg dispensers at your base, and if you did not fancy waiting 2 weeks to get enough eggs to tame 1 dino, you need to tame a good amount of females to speed things up.

Not to mention many tames being *gated* behind some obnoxious or rare creature, or at the end of 4-5 stepping stones.

Ow boohoo you need rex eggs to tame rexes. such difficulty. All you need is a bow, tranq arrows a low level rex and raw meat to get your first egg dispenser.

actually i was in game with 5k hrs :) right before it happens.. and you?
then i can see how it change.. ppl still have the same amount of egg dinos (except dodofarm, because it was boosted AF)
ppl usually didnt keep farm for all eggs, just for eggs what they need to tame rexes or so..and ofc dodos / kairukus for cheap kibbles to feed babies.
and yes, u progress thru more animals - then ..its good to know and enjoy lot of dinos and not just few of them.. now ppl use only few dinos and others are only meat.

btw: thanx for repeat my advice for @Someone about taming rexes for taming rexes :)

[retsam1]

Escrito originalmente por Noeat:

Escrito originalmente por retsam1:

Unfortunately, it is for the most part a marginalized set of folks that venerate the old system feeling it was better.

Also, It wasn't exclusively a decision to simplify the kibbles because it was felt to be too convoluted(and it very much was). It was also an issue of ecocide and server stability. More tames required more space and more resources to maintain. The change helped to reduce some of that demand/ needs with mall sized bases and dino parking lots as well(to a degree). Now, if someone wants to be extremely minimalist, they can just make exclusively an extraordinary egg tier kibble farm for 90% tame needs and instead focus on taming what they specifically want/need from there.

thats actually wrong, because rework kibble system didnt have efect to decrease amount of dinos in bases :) ..what decrease amount of dinos in bases was cryofridge and cryopods..
on other han it encourage ppl to tame more dinos and have more dinos

kibble system isnt simplified, rework actually make harder to tame higher tier dinos, because u cant tame them with kibble of lower tier dinos ..aka for Rex u need Rex tier egg
it means for taming Rex u need tame Rex before u try tame Rex...hopefully even folks like u can see that.. but i doubt

new kibble system just make half, maybe more dino absolutelly useless.. thats against idea of any game.. make content useless and disable natural progress thru game, but w/e

@Someone.. just tame low lvl pair of Rexes.. get eggs, then tame high lvl Rex / pair
then tame low Yutty / pair with prime meat what u grind with Rex and then tame high lvl Yutty
ofc, u will need Argy, tame low lvl ones and then with kibbles from their eggs tame high lvl

look at dododex for kibbles and decide what dinos u will tame for every tier (Dodos or Kairuku for basic, because higher rate of eggs drop) ..if u want it ofc..

Actually no, its correct. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that the devs intentions to reduce issues with server stability and ecocide is a one time, static endeavor. To the contrary it is still on going.

While cryopods do help reduce the number of dinos out, I think readers for the most part understand that you cant get eggs from cryo'd dinos. So egg farmed dinos are required to be out along with of course an ovi so as to help improve egg production. Therefore again on the new system one doesnt have to have many dinos for that purpose unlike the old one.

So your claims of incorrectness are wrong twice over.

As for the tier eggs and their respective kibble, you're also failing to mention that a tier above(or even max tier kibbles) allow for effective taming of a dino from a lower tier. Again this further reduces the need for multiple different tiers of dinos for kibble.

Also one doesnt need kibble to worry about taming an egg farm iteration of a dino. That's just silly. Taming low level ones of a tier(thus requiring less time and effort) has no difference in egg production. This point was true even during the larger farm days. As an example on a level 30 default yuty, you're only looking at a difference of 12 minutes in taming time between using the extraordinary kibble(appx 20min) and prime meat(appx 32) to tame and one doesnt worry about the effectiveness either if its simply to be a egg maker. And if someone really didnt care and had a bit more time on their hands then just reg raw meat and just triple the time from there.


So I think most readers can see the system is far more simplified than it previously was and contrary to your claims otherwise.

As for your claim of "half dinos" being useless. That's really more an opinion and subjective. People tame dinos per their wants, not yours. Not every dino is meant to be uniquely in demand at all times either. Sometimes a meat and hide source is enough. However they've over the years of course changed dinos to have more utility or share same/similar utilities as other dinos, especially in regards to biome settings/options. Devs have always been about choice and their progression in development etc is an evolution of that. I think most people recognize this as well.

[Rio]

The problem with egg farms is the slow rate of eggs. You don't need an army of dinos if say 5-10 females gives you all you need for a while.

But with how fast some dinos gulp kibble for almost no gain, its just infurating.

I haven't played for a few months, but let me tell you, even on single player settings, the kibble system breaks you. You get to a point where every day is you doing absolutely nothing but waiting on eggs so you can go tame a max level. Default breeding is just as bad, you need an event like love evolved to make it semi tolerable.

It was like a job where I had the game running in the background while I watched youtube every day, or played 3ds.