Cave loot crates quality decreasing each time ?

[El Khan]

Hello
I'm doing the swamp cave again and again
The first time I get 2 ascendant saddles and 1 blueprint ascendant
Then, only ♥♥♥♥, laser/rocket launcher Normal/behemoth gate/...
14 hours later, 1 ascendant saddle and then ♥♥♥♥ again and again (5-6 red chests)

Does that mean that if we do a cave too much or stay in a cave too many time, the loot quality decrease ?
Is it relative to the cave or to the character ? (if another player opens chests after me he have more chances to get ascendant loot ?)

Thank you if someone knows and could explain me how it works :) I didn't found topic about quality decreasing

[Armitage Shanks]

RNGesus mate.

There's a huge loot table for the red crates, sometimes you get ascendant BPs/item, sometimes you get high level structure BPs.

There's only 1 quality of rocket launcher now, base primitve, because WC thought having decent rocket launchers, and not having the need to carry 12 of them in your inventory because the primitive ones break after firing about 10 rockets was too OP. Even though the high level rocket launchers required ludicrous amounts of resources to make, like all high quality gear, and ludicrous amounts to repair.

[El Khan]

thank you for answering
So you mean it's full random ?
I ask this because each time it's the same for me in the swamp cave : first red chest/first two red chests => very good, red chests after that => ALL crap
I will persevere.

[Armitage Shanks]

Originally posted by Satanus51:

thank you for answering
So you mean it's full random ?

AFAIK all red loot containers have the same loot table, including the ones in the ocean (desert for SE).

[El Khan]

Ok'
(I meant random according to the the number of times I opened chests just before)

I will try again, and again, what I noticied could be a simple coincidence
I need a lot of things in that loot table
thanks

[Armitage Shanks]

They just recently added the remainder of items/blueprints to all the loot crate tables. There's literally 100s of possible items just in the red loot contains, then all the permutations of item/BP quality for them (they're usually ascendant, but can be as low as journeyman if your luck is bad).

[El Khan]

I keep thinking loot quality decrease when I do swamp cave too many times.
If I wait several days, bam : ascendant stuffs, but then it's epic/leg, and then blue and crap (doing cave 4 times/day)

[El Khan]

Again today !
You don't have that behavior ?

[𝓝𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓸𝓫𝓸𝓲]

I spent 3 hours in Ragnarok farming the queen's chamber for loot crates using an exploit with the cave design, the loot crates are all RNG. I had tons and tons of ascendant stuff, here and there i would get some crappy loot, but it was really rare.
OFC rag has higher loot quality like the center but it doesn't matter, i still got a good bit of mastercraft, a smaller amount of journey and rarely anything below, this is with 1.5X loot quality boost on top of it. Just remember red loot crates (cave or not) don't mean all ascendant/MC all the time.

The best way to test is to write down the quality (asc,MC,JM,etc) and the values of the loot and see if you're actually getting jipped or not every run.

EDIT: here's a SS of some of the BPs i got (1.5X quality and on Ragnarok)
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1097504833

[Bulborb87]

are RPG's even used anymore since those rocket launchers got a nerf updates ago where they are all primitive?

[Armitage Shanks]

Originally posted by Bulborb87:

are RPG's even used anymore since those rocket launchers got a nerf updates ago where they are all primitive?

I know I don't bother with them. They're all but useless because they break after firing about 10 rockets, and do about as much damage as a decent compound bow with metal arrows. Only thing they're useful for is killing earth elementals. I assume most people just use C4 and rocket turrets for sieging now.

[Boomer]

Ive never gotten anything higher than a blue in the swamp cave, heck and one of those was a stone hatchet bp.:p